[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

But Melo is only on the books for 1 more year, so they can give PG13 the promise of after that, they'll make some serious moves.



And I heard this AM that PG13 would be leaving ~$30 million guaranteed over 5 years by leaving OKC.



To a guy who has a metal rod in his leg and suffered a serious injury like that, that's some Grade-A security.

Melo is basically on the books for 4 because of the luxury bill. $120 million is nothing to sneeze at for a team that will perennially be stuck in first-second round exit limbo

 

[koonja]

Melo is basically on the books for 4 because of the luxury bill. $120 million is nothing to sneeze at for a team that will perennially be stuck in first-second round exit limbo

I don't doubt you, but I don't follow how you're deriving at that. My understanding is his contract expires next year at this time.

And my other points remain - I think PG13 will strongly consider protecting that $30 million over 5 years considering he's seen the worst of it and what can happen.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

My point was they will pay a $120 million penalty for Melos one year of service. His $27.9 million is going to put them way over the cap if PG re-ups.

 

[koonja]

My point was they will pay a $120 million penalty for Melos one year of service. His $27.9 million is going to put them way over the cap if PG re-ups.

I see. But still, only on the books for the 2018-2019 year, no?

So it'd be a one-time loss. And they very well just buy him out and expedite the process 1 year, which would be even more attractive to the Thunder.

 

[NDohio]

LBJ stays in Cleveland...

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I see. But still, only on the books for the 2018-2019 year, no?



So it'd be a one-time loss. And they very well just buy him out and expedite the process 1 year, which would be even more attractive to the Thunder.

Yes he is on the books for one year, and that book has a $147.9 million dollar payment to, or because of Melo.

*This isnt Melos fault. Id take the money too. OKC is stupid for putting themselves in this position.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes he is on the books for one year, and that book has a $147.9 million dollar payment to, or because of Melo.

*This isnt Melos fault. Id take the money too. OKC is stupid for putting themselves in this position.

Agree Anthony is well past his prime and couldn't even guard Koon in a pickup game at the local Y. They panicked in trying to build a super power.

 

[koonja]

Yes he is on the books for one year, and that book has a $147.9 million dollar payment to, or because of Melo.

*This isnt Melos fault. Id take the money too. OKC is stupid for putting themselves in this position.

Agree Anthony is well past his prime and couldn't even guard Koon in a pickup game at the local Y. They panicked in trying to build a super power.

PG13 wouldn't care that it'd cost them that much out of pocket. He'd only care about them freeing up that salary cap, so the roster can sign 1/2 more guys.

Not saying much, few can.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Yes he is on the books for one year, and that book has a $147.9 million dollar payment to, or because of Melo.

*This isnt Melos fault. Id take the money too. OKC is stupid for putting themselves in this position.

According to Forbes, OKC had 222M in revenue and the value of the team is 1.3B. Now, that value is nearly 4X what was paid for the franchise, so there is some serious equity here and I am sure money isn't a short term problem. But either way you slice and dice it, they are going to need a cash injection to finance a 300M+ roster. Painful year for management, especially if it doesn't result in a valuation increase.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

The quickest way to commit salary cap/team success suicide is to sign a volume shooter that cant do anything else to big money. Why these moronic owners keep doing it is beyond me.

For every Harden, there are dozens of Melo/Lou Williams/Damian Lillard/Kyrie Irving/Tyreke Evans/CJ McCollum poison pill contracts that have already been signed, or soon will be.

*For the record, there are probably 7-10 guys Id max out before Harden as an owner.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

PG13 wouldn't care that it'd cost them that much out of pocket. He'd only care about them freeing up that salary cap, so the roster can sign 1/2 more guys.

Not saying much, few can.

You keep glossing over the fact a small market owner is paying $120 million out of pocket to keep an utterly ineffective roster intact, and also keep acting like the guy is going to just say AW SHUCKS and write a check for $120 MILLION like it aint no thang.

Id personally pack PGs bags, tell him to have fun in LA, and go from there

 

[zelezo vlk]

The quickest way to commit salary cap/team success suicide is to sign a volume shooter that cant do anything else to big money. Why these moronic owners keep doing it is beyond me.

For every Harden, there are dozens of Melo/Lou Williams/Damian Lillard/Kyrie Irving/Tyreke Evans/CJ McCollum poison pill contracts that have already been signed, or soon will be.

*For the record, there are probably 7-10 guys Id max out before Harden as an owner.

Wait for serious? Harden makes Houston's offense, which was simply amazing.

The problem with Melo is he never ever bothered to stay in good shape like Lebron and is aging rather rapidly. He was great until about 2014 (30 years old) and then he dropped off. He also hated playing the 4, which was his best fit after the League started going small.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Wait for serious? Harden makes Houston's offense, which was simply amazing.

Im not arguing that, but as an owner, the first guys Im calling to max out (in order) are:

Lebron
Durant
AD
Kawhi
Curry
ABC
Simmons
Harden

 

[koonja]

Im not arguing that, but as an owner, the first guys Im calling to max out (in order) are:

Lebron
Durant
AD
Kawhi
Curry
ABC
Simmons
Harden

Who's ABC? Brain Fart.

Any Simmons, no way. He'll be a regular season superstar until he learns to shoot. He's so dependable in a post season playoff.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Who's ABC? Brain Fart.

Antetokounmpo

 

[zelezo vlk]

Why is Giannis ABC?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Why is Giannis ABC?

Hes Greek, his last name is long, so people started calling him The Greek Alphabet, which got shortened to ABC

 

[zelezo vlk]

I've actually never heard anybody call him The Greek Alphabet. TIL

 

[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

I've actually never heard anybody call him The Greek Alphabet. TIL

It might just be a thing in daily fantasy sports. Thats where I always see it.

 

[Rack Em]

LBJ stays in Cleveland...

Lyndon Johnson was from Texas. And he's dead.

 

[NDohio]

Lyndon Johnson was from Texas. And he's dead.

This is serious...no joking about this...we are talking about a man's life here...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The quickest way to commit salary cap/team success suicide is to sign a volume shooter that cant do anything else to big money. Why these moronic owners keep doing it is beyond me.

For every Harden, there are dozens of Melo/Lou Williams/Damian Lillard/Kyrie Irving/Tyreke Evans/CJ McCollum poison pill contracts that have already been signed, or soon will be.

*For the record, there are probably 7-10 guys Id max out before Harden as an owner.

Irving is a volume shooter? He average 18 shots a game in his first year with the Celtics. Iriving strikes me as the exact opposite? He's a facilitator and a scorer, he doesn't need 20 ISOs a game.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

Irving is a volume shooter? He average 18 shots a game in his first year with the Celtics. Iriving strikes me as the exact opposite? He's a facilitator and a scorer, he doesn't need 20 ISOs a game.

Sorry. Let me rephrase that term with:


Scorer that cant do anything else.


*Ill give Harden and Irving a SLIGHT nod as facilitators, but there is nothing else there. They both will need to be second bananas to win a title, thats just reality, not really a knock on them.

 

[zelezo vlk]

*Ill give Harden and Irving a SLIGHT nod as facilitators, but there is nothing else there. They both will need to be second bananas to win a title, thats just reality, not really a knock on them.

Harden, the #1 option on the team who took Golden State to 7 games in the WCF, played point all year, and averaged 8.8 assists per game, can only be a second option and only gets a SLIGHT nod as a facilitator? Get outta here. This ain't 2012 or 2013 "defensive Juggernaut" Harden.

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[IrishSteelhead]

[NBA] vBook: Where does LeBron James sign this summer?

Harden, the #1 option on the team who took Golden State to 7 games in the WCF, played point all year, and averaged 8.8 assists per game, can only be a second option and only gets a SLIGHT nod as a facilitator? Get outta here. This ain't 2012 or 2013 "defensive Juggernaut" Harden.

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Point taken, but IMO any team that wants Harden or Kyrie as their alpha will continue to be disappointed, unless they go the Colts route, and hang a banner for taking the Warriors to game 7.

Last 30 Finals MVPS

Durant
Durant
Lebron
Iguodala
Kawhi
Lebron
Lebron
Dirk
Kobe
Kobe
Pierce
Parker
Wade
Duncan
Billups
Duncan
Shaq
Shaq
Shaq
Duncan
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
Olajuwon
Olajuwon
Jordan
Jordan
Jordan
Thomas
Dumars

Whats the point of listing the last 30 NBA Finals winners? Because on that list, Andre Iguodala represents the anomaly. He is the only Finals MVP there that isnt, or wont be, a hall of famer (Billups made the ballot this year and probably wont end up in, so there is that)

How in the hell could a Finals MVP not have been a HOF caliber player? Because that was the ONLY year in the last 3 decades a team won that was led by a scorer that couldnt do much else. Curry had a subpar series, so Iggy got the distinction. This isnt saying Curry was ineffective, its showing how rare it is for this kind of team to win a title.

Harden, Curry, Irving etc. are AMAZING players, and play INTEGRAL parts on successful teams, but you are simply deluding yourself if you think the most prudent way to win a championship is have a scorer with their skill sets lead your team.

 

[Irish YJ]

LeBron James declining player option, will become unrestricted free agent

declined option...

 

[koonja]

This doesn't mean anything, right?

Even if he were to stay with Cleveland, he would do this to get a bigger contract, right?

So this essentially tells us nothing.

 

[KPENN]

This doesn't mean anything, right?

Even if he were to stay with Cleveland, he would do this to get a bigger contract, right?

So this essentially tells us nothing.

Yeah. He opted out a couple years ago and re-signed.

 

[Irish YJ]

This doesn't mean anything, right?

Even if he were to stay with Cleveland, he would do this to get a bigger contract, right?

So this essentially tells us nothing.

That third season -- worth $35.6 million for 2018-19 -- is the one that James is declining to opt in to.

According to ESPN front-office insider Bobby Marks, Cleveland can offer James a more lucrative deal than any other team -- a five-year max contract in the neighborhood of $207 million. Any other suitor can offer a four-year pact worth $152 million.

Should James re-sign with a shortened one-plus-one deal in Cleveland in order to give himself the chance to explore free agency again in the summer of 2019, his compensation for 2018-19 would be for $35.4 million and '19-20 would jump to $38.2 million, as the option year.

True, but I don't see him signing anything but a short term deal with Cleveland if he did, and if he did that, he'd make .2M less this year. I just don't see any of the other bigs going to Cleveland, and I don't see Lebron going back without a better supporting cast.

Who knows, but I'd bet he doesn't go back.

 

[NDdomer2]

closing this event for additional bets. lebron is officially FA and is supposed to decide sooner than later.