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There's talk that a reunion of Lebron and Kyrie would end poorly, but I don't think it would. Don't forget that Kyrie realized his error and apologized to James last season, they mended fences. They played well in the All Star game as they always have, so there's nothing new there. So, I think they've already laid the ground work for another team up.
That said, Kyrie is a screw loose (Flat earth what?) and he's had injury issues in recent years. He's still young, but those knees are a concern this early in his career. If I was the Lakers I'd take a hard pass on him, but given the fact they need a Guard and someone that will work out well with James, I have a feeling they're going to at least pursue it. Outside of the Knicks where he's favored to land, Vegas odds have Kyrie just as likely to go to the Lakers as going back to the Celtics (With the Nets right there as well) so we'll see what happens.
 

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There's talk that a reunion of Lebron and Kyrie would end poorly, but I don't think it would. Don't forget that Kyrie realized his error and apologized to James last season, they mended fences. They played well in the All Star game as they always have, so there's nothing new there. So, I think they've already laid the ground work for another team up.
That said, Kyrie is a screw loose (Flat earth what?) and he's had injury issues in recent years. He's still young, but those knees are a concern this early in his career. If I was the Lakers I'd take a hard pass on him, but given the fact they need a Guard and someone that will work out well with James, I have a feeling they're going to at least pursue it. Outside of the Knicks where he's favored to land, Vegas odds have Kyrie just as likely to go to the Lakers as going back to the Celtics (With the Nets right there as well) so we'll see what happens.

So you're one of them flat earth deniers, eh?

Agreed, I wouldn't touch Kyrie.
 

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all you can do is laugh

I'm past laughing and have entered into sad.

Heard a caller on Clay Travis try to defend the change, because we still have slavery in the U.S. Travis tried to point out that slavery in the U.S. has been illegal in over 150 years, but the guy wasn't buying it.
 

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I can learn to live with calling someone an owner if they were willing to cut me a check for $25 million/year over the next four years.
 

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I can learn to live with calling someone an owner if they were willing to cut me a check for $25 million/year over the next four years.

For that kind of money, I would gladly take a whipping now and then.
 

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I'm too tired/depressed to link.

But Darren Collison just quit the nba to become Jehovah.

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With Westbrook being traded to the Rockets, Oklahoma just became a much less desirable place to visit.

The Thunder do, however, have a lot of draft picks coming their way. 15 first rounders in the next 7 drafts I believe.
 

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With Westbrook being traded to the Rockets, Oklahoma just became a much less desirable place to visit.

The Thunder do, however, have a lot of draft picks coming their way. 15 first rounders in the next 7 drafts I believe.

Westbrook and Harden reunited. Enough basketballs for both of them?
 

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Westbrook and Harden reunited. Enough basketballs for both of them?

Not sure there will be enough for the both but what I am sure of is there will be zero defense played in Houston next season. Get ready for a lot of 144 to 140 games!
 

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Not sure there will be enough for the both but what I am sure of is there will be zero defense played in Houston next season. Get ready for a lot of 144 to 140 games!

Seems to be what everyone wants.
 

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Seems to be what everyone wants.

I know what I don't want to watch is two teams that can't hit a bull in the ass with a banjo. As much as bad shooting can lead to good rebounding I suppose. I personally hated the pro wrestling era of the Daly Pistons and Riley Knicks in the late 80s and early 90s. I do enjoy good team defense, though. I wish there was a happy medium.

I think in the six games of the 1987 NBA Finals, the Celtics didn't score 100 points in Game 6 when the Lakers clinched. That was the only game one of the participants failed to score 100 or more in the Series. Those were high flying, high scoring games they played back then. Everyone seems to remember it differently, though, when comparing it to today's game.

I would have loved to have seen some of those guys back then play with today's rulebook, especially the guards and wing guys. Clyde Drexler and Dominique Wilkins would've dumped points all over people back then with today's rules, let alone Michael Jordan.
 
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Not sure there will be enough for the both but what I am sure of is there will be zero defense played in Houston next season. Get ready for a lot of 144 to 140 games!

I don't know Westbrook to be a bad defender. He may not be great, but he may not be a detriment either. He guards people, switches, rebounds, gets steals, deflects passes.

Harden is a different story.

Westbrook takes a lot of risks defensively. It can be sink or swim with the guy, but he's gotten better than in previous seasons. His overall effort should not be questioned, at least not for me.
 

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The Westbrook/Harden experiment will be fascinating this year. The raptors will become sellers at some point I think. Watch out for the Jazz too.
 

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The Westbrook/Harden experiment will be fascinating this year. The raptors will become sellers at some point I think. Watch out for the Jazz too.

Not sure I see it being any better than the situation they found themselves in last year. Remember they played together in OKC WITH Durant and still couldn't win; I don't see how this situation makes Houston better off present day than what OKC had a few years back.

Two big egos who will want the offense to flow through them...we shall see.
 

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Those OKC teams with Harden, KD, and Russ weren’t even in their prime. None of them played to the MVP level they became in the past few years. They were kids battling Kobe in the West and prime LeBron when they got to the Finals. The Heatles didn’t even win a ship the first year they got to the Finals.
 

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Those OKC teams with Harden, KD, and Russ weren’t even in their prime. None of them played to the MVP level they became in the past few years. They were kids battling Kobe in the West and prime LeBron when they got to the Finals. The Heatles didn’t even win a ship the first year they got to the Finals.

This is fair but cmon...three MVPs coming up together is still loaded talent. Not to mention you can make that argument that Russ is no longer in his "prime" and digressed a bit, at least health-wise, this past season. If you consider his 2017 MVP season to be his peak, he only has one direction to head from there....Not to mention, to your own point, they are now both "super stars" who are going to want the ball in their hands. Both operate best via an isolation offense. How much do their skill-sets really compliment one another?

They will be a contender for a top 4 seed no doubt, but I don't see them getting over LAL, LAC, and their annual playoff nemesis GS (depending on Thompson's recovery), Utah/Denver are two teams still on the rise, and the ultimate sleeper in the West who is seemingly never talked about is Portland. Still a loaded conference.
 

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This is fair but cmon...three MVPs coming up together is still loaded talent. Not to mention you can make that argument that Russ is no longer in his "prime" and digressed a bit, at least health-wise, this past season. If you consider his 2017 MVP season to be his peak, he only has one direction to head from there....Not to mention, to your own point, they are now both "super stars" who are going to want the ball in their hands. Both operate best via an isolation offense. How much do their skill-sets really compliment one another?

They will be a contender for a top 4 seed no doubt, but I don't see them getting over LAL, LAC, and their annual playoff nemesis GS (depending on Thompson's recovery), Utah/Denver are two teams still on the rise, and the ultimate sleeper in the West who is seemingly never talked about is Portland. Still a loaded conference.

I’m with you on Houston’s current duo. My point was to defend OKC’s glory days since I hate it when people say “oh they couldn’t win when they all played together.” Youth and then injuries (Russ in ‘13 playoffs, Serge in ‘14 playoffs, KD for the ‘14-15 season, kept them from ever becoming a dynasty.
 

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Rumor is Chris Paul may end up back in LAC.

I don't see it. It'll gut the deep bench the LAC currently have. I was able to get the trade machine to accept the following deal though.

LAC get:

Chris Paul with 3 years left.

OKC get :

Moe Harkless on an expiring
Montrezl Harrell on an expiring
Luc Mbah a Moute on and expring rookie deal
Lou Williams with 2 years left on a bargain deal.
Landry Shamet with 4 years left on a rookie deal.

Trade machine also says LAC lose 20 more games while OKC wins 21 more games than pre-trade.

Third team involved? LAC have no picks left IMO
 

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I can't believe no one on here is talking about the recent China stuff in any context. This is an insane story brewing right now with corporations trying to straddle the line between the billions of dollars and the right thing to do.
 

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I can't believe no one on here is talking about the recent China stuff in any context. This is an insane story brewing right now with corporations trying to straddle the line between the billions of dollars and the right thing to do.

The NBA should be ashamed. They are giving in for the money.
 

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I can't believe no one on here is talking about the recent China stuff in any context. This is an insane story brewing right now with corporations trying to straddle the line between the billions of dollars and the right thing to do.

I've been stewing about it for a few days now, and I do think it's bullshit. They're doing their best to straddle the line or cater to China and it's wrong. If California wanted to leave the Union, and their people voted to go, I'd say don't let the door hit you on the way out. It's their right to discuss leaving, and even though it's been on the table for some time I doubt they ever pull the trigger.

It's a different story with Hong Kong. China says it goes against the right of free speech for Hong Kong to discuss going independent.
"We're strongly dissatisfied and oppose Adam Silver's claim to support Morey's right to freedom of expression," the statement read. "We believe that any remarks that challenge national sovereignty and social stability are not within the scope of freedom of speech."
If you ask me that doesn't sound like free speech at all. It sounds like they're being oppressed by their government. This is Communism though, so it's no surprise. Seeing Silver kowtow to the Chinese is just sickening.
 

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The NBA should be ashamed. They are giving in for the money.

It's crazy because the NBA towed the line as best as possible... to the point of pissing off Americans with how they were tolerating China's bullshit... and China literally said this:
"We're strongly dissatisfied and oppose Adam Silver's claim to support Morey's right to freedom of expression," the statement read. "We believe that any remarks that challenge national sovereignty and social stability are not within the scope of freedom of speech."

And then refused to broadcast the games being played over there.

China is effectively Nazi Germany 2.0 complete with concentration camps and everything else you expect from an authoritarian, racial supremacist regime. The crazy thing is that every corporation is so blinded by greed for Chinese $$ that no one is willing to stand up to them PLUS they have already integrated themselves into Western capitalists societies/corporations PLUS they have nukes and a billion+ people.

Steve Kerr -- Mr. Woke himself who tweets non-stop political hot takes -- gave the most cowardly answer I've ever seen when asked for his opinion on the Morey and the NBA response. Absolute clown show.
 

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Looks like the NBA is listening to the fans and writers who have hammered them recently. At the moment China is just refusing to broadcast Rockets games. As pointed out in this article from Chris Mannix, Bball and the NBA is huge in China. The dictators will find themselves feeling some pressure if they abn all things NBA.

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Adam Silver, NBA Stand Up to China Over Hong Kong Tweet
CHRIS MANNIX11 HOURS AGO
Adam Silver is in a tough spot.

Hold on: this isn’t the beginning of a full-throated defense of the NBA. The league’s initial reaction to Daryl Morey’s tweet supporting Hong Kong’s fight for freedom was awkward, to say the least. The NBA’s statement was a word salad, requiring several readings to get any kind of grasp on a position.

Offending NBA fans in China was “regrettable?” Morey didn’t get busted peeing off the Great Wall. The Rockets GM tweeted his support for Hong Kong’s freedom, something much of the world—including the U.S.—supports. Gregg Popovich once called Donald Trump a “soulless coward.” You didn’t see a statement apologizing to millions of conservatives coming from Olympic Tower.

Or “the values of the league support individuals’ educating themselves and sharing their views on matters important to them.” That one took a quadruple take. You can read that as the NBA supporting Morey’s right to weigh in. You can also squint at the words “educating themselves” and see it as the league’s way of passively suggesting that perhaps Morey waded into a conversation he didn’t fully understand.

Joe Tsai understands it. Tsai was born in Taiwan, was educated in the United States and spent many of his formative years in China. He’s also the co-founder of e-commerce monolith Alibaba, which is the only line on his resume here that matters. The company was valued at $550 billion in 2015, with Tsai worth a cool $9.5 billion because of it. Tsai called the Hong Kong-China relationship a “third-rail issue.” Actually, he called Hong Kong’s “separatist movement” — a phrase straight out of a Chinese government talking point—a third-rail issue. He recounted China’s history with foreign occupiers, adding that “Chinese psyche has heavy baggage when it comes to any threat, foreign or domestic, to carve up Chinese territories.”

Never, not once, did Tsai address that the most recent clash was sparked by an extradition bill that would have allowed suspects to be sent for trial in mainland China. Never, not once, did Tsai address the fact that protesters are fighting for China to keep the promise it made in 1997, when the British gave the city back to China: To allow a “high degree of autonomy,” guaranteeing Hong Kong free speech and a free press, capitalist markets and English common law under a “one country, two systems” agreement. Never, not once, did Tsai address how China’s murky legal system and long history of human rights abuses might make Hong Kong reluctant to be fully subsumed.

As Ben Rhodes, Barack Obama’s former Deputy National Security Advisor, told SI.com, “the basic human rights of the people of Hong Kong are at stake.”

This is the sticky wicket Silver stepped into, and this is why it was so important for him to connect on his second attempt to address it.

And he did.

Big time.

In a new statement, Silver said “the NBA will not put itself in a position of regulating what players, employees and team owners say or will not say on these issues. We simply could not operate that way.” Later, to reporters, Silver said he understands that there are consequences to the kind of comments Morey made and “we will have to live with those consequences.” He called CCTV’s decision not to air Thursday’s preseason game between the Nets and Lakers “unfortunate” but added that “if that’s the consequence of us adhering to our values, we still feel it’s critically important to adhere to those values.”

And that’s it. There’s nothing else to say. There’s nothing else Silver can say. He can’t please everyone. He shouldn’t try. SI’s Rohan Nadkarni suggested the NBA should cut ties with China. With respect to my podcast pal, that’s ridiculous. China didn’t Jack Bauer Morey—they are refusing to cover him or the team he works for. Tencent isn’t dumping the NBA—they are just declining to show Rockets games. China is a brutal, authoritarian government but should we hold the NBA to standards we don’t hold Apple and Abercrombie? Russia attempted to undermine the U.S. election in 2016—should the NBA sever all attempts to grow the game there? Turkey has been hunting Celtics center Enes Kanter for years for the high crime of criticizing Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Twitter. The NBA has played exhibition games in Turkey and a developing fan base there.

It’s a slippery slope.

Players and coaches will be pressured to take a position on the controversy, but spare me the calls that they have to. Yes, NBA players' bank accounts benefit from keeping China happy—many top players make offseason visits to China to promote new sneaker lines—but they have no obligation to have an opinion on any of this. Weighing in on California’s battle against the NCAA doesn’t compel you to pick sides in a decades-old territorial dispute. Criticizing Trump for policies you feel passionate about doesn’t mean you’re duty-bound to wear FREE HONG KONG tee shirts in layup lines.

Ask yourself this: Last week, did you have a strong opinion on the Hong Kong conflict?

Did you have any?

Should athletes be held to a different standard?

Silver cleaned up the NBA’s first statement and has declared the NBA willing to live with the fallout. And there will be fallout. The Rockets will lose money. The NBA will lose money. It’s unclear how far China will be willing to take this. The NBA has some leverage. China can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube, either. It’s a basketball-mad country with hundreds of millions of youths playing the game and millions more watching it. Ban the NBA, and there will be backlash. And while the NBA will miss the Chinese cash, they can certainly live without it.

The NBA is standing up to China in the way few U.S. businesses have, and should be commended for it. Morey won’t be fired, sanctioned and by next spring will be explaining this bonkers story to a packed house at MIT’s Sloan Conference. It took a couple tries, but the NBA has done the right thing.

But, seriously, Adam—stay out of Freedonia.
 
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