Navy Post Game

[kmoose]

Block me. I've never read a post of yours I cared for, but poor posts don't bother me. If they bother you, then you can block me. But you don't.

If anyone cares to give a legitimate answer to the Mike's lining up of the defense, and not discuss whether Schmidt is good or not, I'm all ears. I am legitimately interested in what line up's he's doing that others can't do as well.

If it's really impossible for you to believe that a true freshman NT(Tillery) and a first time starting DT(Cage) might need someone to remind them what their responsibility is, once teams start motioning/shifting formations, then maybe you need to start following a simpler sport. I would recommend bowling...

 

[connor_in]

Because you told me he's not awful, which is widely accepted as false.

But for the love of God, can we please stop discussing if Joe's bad or not. That wasn't the question and doesn't need to be talked about anymore. The question is, what exactly is the Mike LB responsible for in lining up the defense that he's apparently better at than everyone behind him? Is it lining up the DL? Lining up the LBs? Calling plays? Because I don't see any shifting going on, and I know our DL know their gaps.

But doesn't it come down to since JS is "abysmal" then the other options must be mind boggling bad or the coaches are fvcking with you...yes?

 

[koonja]

If it's really impossible for you to believe that a true freshman NT(Tillery) and a first time starting DT(Cage) might need someone to remind them what their responsibility is, once teams start motioning/shifting formations, then maybe you need to start following a simpler sport. I would recommend bowling...

But doesn't it come down to since JS is "abysmal" then the other options must be mind boggling bad or the coaches are fvcking with you...yes?

Do you see center's and guards going in motion? Tillery does not need to be a RS senior to know his responsibilities. DL have 2 options. So I'll pass on bowling.

Or the coaches are making the wrong call, the defense is too complicated, etc., which believe it or not, can happen. So possibly no to everything you've said so far in this thread.

 

[kmoose]

Because you told me he's not awful, which is widely accepted as false.

But for the love of God, can we please stop discussing if Joe's bad or not. That wasn't the question and doesn't need to be talked about anymore. The question is, what exactly is the Mike LB responsible for in lining up the defense that he's apparently better at than everyone behind him? Is it lining up the DL? Lining up the LBs? Calling plays? Because I don't see any shifting going on, and I know our DL know their gaps.

I did not say anything about Joe's performance until AFTER you first criticized it.

You don't know squat. Otherwise you would not have asked the question in the first place. Just because you don't see people shifting doesn't mean that they are not making adjustments. Maybe the NT is supposed to shoot the A gap to his left, but the TE or WR goes in motion, making the other side the strong side, and changing his responsibility to the A gap on the right side? He is not shifting his position; he is just firing off of the ball to the other side of the center that he is lined up straight over top of. Maybe a shift in the position of the single back on a passing down means that the stunt that was going to come from the defensive right, should now come from the defensive left? No one is going to shift when that call is made. There's a million possibilities. But none of us here at IE know for sure, so quit asking.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm as perplexed as anyone as to why Schmidt continues to see snaps as the starter. It leads me to believe either A) option(s) behind him are truly that bad or B) the coaches are being beyond stubborn. I'm more inclined to believe 'A', but I'm not sure I can rule 'B' out either.

You forgot C) The sheep pictures; as far as the real reason, there is a bit of a phenomena with Kelly, and I assume his assistants. They are loyal to their guys, to a fault! How many times this year has the next man in either outperformed the previous starter out of the blocks, or been noticeably superior to the previous starter at similar points early in their careers?

The talent level on this team, as well as the attitude are rising rapidly. That makes for a lot of change. The only thing I can think of, (and I am not sure I believe it), is that the staff is trying to provide some stability, and continuity.

And leadership. In a Kelly system the guy with true leadership plays over the guy with talent, every time, often until it is too late!

As far as the rest, I could give a good goddamned as to whether a player is good or not. Or who is the most talented player. It is all about making the team better. Usually Kelly is pretty good at that. But he does have a few blind spots, and this whole subject seems to gravitate around one of them!

 

[koonja]

I did not say anything about Joe's performance until AFTER you first criticized it.

You don't know squat. Otherwise you would not have asked the question in the first place. Just because you don't see people shifting doesn't mean that they are not making adjustments. Maybe the NT is supposed to shoot the A gap to his left, but the TE or WR goes in motion, making the other side the strong side, and changing his responsibility to the A gap on the right side? He is not shifting his position; he is just firing off of the ball to the other side of the center that he is lined up straight over top of. Maybe a shift in the position of the single back on a passing down means that the stunt that was going to come from the defensive right, should now come from the defensive left? No one is going to shift when that call is made. There's a million possibilities. But none of us here at IE know for sure, so quit asking.

You mean, he has to act on 1 of 2 total possibilities, like I already pointed out? You don't need a coach behind you to do that. And if you did, Morgan and Grace both have eye balls and can see a player go in motion and say 'hey, other side guys'.

 

[OCIrish]

koon... You just summed up your entire sorry posting career in one sentence! From here on out you are on the scout team. Now take a lap.

Cackalacy..... .I cannot stop laughing.......thank you my good man, you've made my day!!!!

 

[OCIrish]

Scout team would be an improvement in the eyes of many on here. I'm pretty sure I'm in the women's flag football league we saw on Showtime to most of you clowns.

Koon, at least you know your place, LOL!!!!

 

[kmoose]

You mean, he has to act on 1 of 2 total possibilities, like I already pointed out? You don't need a coach behind you to do that.

WTF do you know about it? You are assuming that there are ONLY 2 possibilities.......I don't know what all goes into it, but there is also the possibility that Schmidt is letting him know pass/run options. Maybe Tillery is supposed to pin his ears back and sell out to get to the QB in certain formations, but just kind of eat up space (protecting against the run) in other formations? And maybe Tillery is not up to speed on recognizing all of the motions and formation changes that D-IA teams use?

You know what? I only provide education like this when I am getting a delicious meal and blowjob afterward. While you might have the proper plumbing for both, I'm not interested. So just check out this, and you will find every answer you need:

Coach Ken's Defensive line basics

 

[ThePiombino]

I wish you two would just get it over with and bang.

 

[koonja]

WTF do you know about it? You are assuming that there are ONLY 2 possibilities.......I don't know what all goes into it, but there is also the possibility that Schmidt is letting him know pass/run options. Maybe Tillery is supposed to pin his ears back and sell out to get to the QB in certain formations, but just kind of eat up space (protecting against the run) in other formations? And maybe Tillery is not up to speed on recognizing all of the motions and formation changes that D-IA teams use?

You know what? I only provide education like this when I am getting a delicious meal and blowjob afterward. While you might have the proper plumbing for both, I'm not interested. So just check out this, and you will find every answer you need:

Coach Ken's Defensive line basics

I wish you two would just get it over with and bang.

Maybe Schmidt is a wizard?

LOL.

 

[connor_in]

Do you see center's and guards going in motion? Tillery does not need to be a RS senior to know his responsibilities. DL have 2 options. So I'll pass on bowling.

Or the coaches are making the wrong call, the defense is too complicated, etc., which believe it or not, can happen. So possibly no to everything you've said so far in this thread.

Considering the coach's million dollar jobs are on the line, your answer seems to be that they are just fvcking with you then.

 

[Irish Insanity]

You know why Schmidt is needed out there? Because none of the coaches are playing him DESPITE his back-up being a better option. It doesn't matter whether or not you see it, I see it, or any other fan sees it. The coaches see it; and it must be obvious because there has not been a SINGLE peep, that I am aware of, from the program about unhappiness with Joe Schmidt being the starter.

So basically the same reason we continued to run at a stacked box for most of the entire first half last week. Or threw it 3 straight times to start against Navy. Or Torii Hunter Jr. threw a pass yesterday. Or why we spread the field and throw on critical 3rd and short. Or.............the list goes on.

Seriously tho, the dude asked a question. One that you obviously didn't, and can't seem to, answer. No reason to be a dick about it. Hell, he even said he was asking as a serious question. He wasn't being a dick. There have been a shit load posts on here since the season started questioning the same thing. But you didn't attack those posters. Hell, many of them were simply bitching about Joe, at least Koon asked.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

It's ok to question it, koon............... once or twice. But you fixate on it, and just won't stop. The answer is that none of us know. Most of us are smart enough to figure out that no one outside of the staff knows. Then there's you..........

His play is not "abysmal", koon. He's the second leading tackler on the team, behind only Jaylon Smith. He is absolutely limited in what you can ask him to do, and he has weaknesses, but he is not abysmal. Your posts are, on the whole, more abysmal than Joe Schmidt's performance.

Not sure what team you've been watching all season, Joe and Redfield have been by far the worse players on the field on either side of the ball in my opinion. Joe has missed tackles all season long, is getting beat at the point of attack and has been getting caught in the wash all season...making tackles consistently 6 yards down field does not impress me...getting beat in your responsibilities and leaving unfilled holes consistently does not impress. He can't cover anyone on pass plays, he can't beat his man on a blitz. He is our ILB and we have played 2 options teams in 6 games..he SHOULD be our second leading tackler at a minimum, but he is not making plays that are helping get the defense off the field, and he is late to the party and can't physically make the play most downs. The fact that you're being aggressive with somebody because they are a fan and it pisses them off is ridiculous. It is incredibly frustrating watching it occur week after week. If we can't make plays anyhow, at least put the best athletes out there and them learn on the job. Coney has looked pretty solid in his reps this season...kid can beat blocks.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Joe Schmidt has had a rough couple weeks, but do you know why he is playing? He is the best option.

Kelly and BVG have had no problem older guys for younger guys, younger guys for older guys, bigger guys for smaller guys,etc when they aren't getting the job done.

Redfield was immediately yanked for Farley on the 2nd drive bc he wasn't getting the job done. Onwualu was pulled for Grace in the 2nd half.

Sanders took over for Carlisle earlier this year.

Schmidt is the best option or he wouldn't be playing.

I saw practices in the fall and was perplexed at some of the things Morgan did in practice. He just simply doesn't stick to the scheme and shoots wrong gaps after wrong gaps. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he just needs to buy in to the scheme. I feel he has bought into Notre Dame, the program, but once he trusts the scheme over his talent, that's when you will see him become a player ND can put on the field.

 

[koonja]

Joe Schmidt has had a rough couple weeks, but do you know why he is playing? He is the best option.

Kelly and BVG have had no problem older guys for younger guys, younger guys for older guys, bigger guys for smaller guys,etc when they aren't getting the job done.

Redfield was immediately yanked for Farley on the 2nd drive bc he wasn't getting the job done. Onwualu was pulled for Grace in the 2nd half.

Sanders took over for Carlisle earlier this year.

Schmidt is the best option or he wouldn't be playing.

I saw practices in the fall and was perplexed at some of the things Morgan did in practice. He just simply doesn't stick to the scheme and shoots wrong gaps after wrong gaps. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he just needs to buy in to the scheme. I feel he has bought into Notre Dame, the program, but once he trusts the scheme over his talent, that's when you will see him become a player ND can put on the field.

I get that they think he's the best option, but what is it that makes him the best option when he's physically overwhelmed game in and game out? What exactly is he doing with the lineups that Morgan/Grace/Martini aren't in practice? What are Joe's responsibilities pre snap? I don't see any movement in the front 7 other than the LBs shifting a gap when there's a motion.

That's my question anyway.

 

[ThePiombino]

Joe Schmidt has had a rough couple weeks, but do you know why he is playing? He is the best option.

Kelly and BVG have had no problem older guys for younger guys, younger guys for older guys, bigger guys for smaller guys,etc when they aren't getting the job done.

Redfield was immediately yanked for Farley on the 2nd drive bc he wasn't getting the job done. Onwualu was pulled for Grace in the 2nd half.

Sanders took over for Carlisle earlier this year.

Schmidt is the best option or he wouldn't be playing.

I saw practices in the fall and was perplexed at some of the things Morgan did in practice. He just simply doesn't stick to the scheme and shoots wrong gaps after wrong gaps. Not saying he won't be a good player, but he just needs to buy in to the scheme. I feel he has bought into Notre Dame, the program, but once he trusts the scheme over his talent, that's when you will see him become a player ND can put on the field.

How is this even possible? How can a DI-level player possibly NOT buy into the scheme? I mean, it's not as if he was a proven stud who had a new DC come in and change everything up on him. This has been the scheme since he stepped foot on campus. What in the hell is going on here? And what happens next year when our "best option" graduates and our next man in still hasn't "bought in"? I dunno, something is off here. We're fucked if this is the reality of it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I get that they think he's the best option, but what is it that makes him the best option when he's physically overwhelmed game in and game out? What exactly is he doing with the lineups that Morgan/Grace/Martini aren't in practice? What are Joe's responsibilities pre snap? I don't see any movement in the front 7 other than the LBs shifting a gap when there's a motion.

That's my question anyway.

To add to this. Like TP said, when Redfield was shit he was yanked. When James O was shit he was yanked. So why has Schmidt never been yanked when he is a liability to see what the person behind him does in a game situation. It's not like Morgan has no game experience.

 

[ThePiombino]

To add to this. Like TP said, when Redfield was shit he was yanked. When James O was shit he was yanked. So why has Schmidt never been yanked when he is a liability to see what the person behind him does in a game situation. It's not like Morgan has no game experience.

racists

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

To add to this. Like TP said, when Redfield was shit he was yanked. When James O was shit he was yanked. So why has Schmidt never been yanked when he is a liability to see what the person behind him does in a game situation. It's not like Morgan has no game experience.

How about Coney? IMO he has looked more impressive than Morgan when out there.

 

[connor_in]

racists

Reps my man...literally lol'ed

 

[pkt77242]

How is this even possible? How can a DI-level player possibly NOT buy into the scheme? I mean, it's not as if he was a proven stud who had a new DC come in and change everything up on him. This has been the scheme since he stepped foot on campus. What in the hell is going on here? And what happens next year when our "best option" graduates and our next man in still hasn't "bought in"? I dunno, something is off here. We're fucked if this is the reality of it.

Aaron Lynch says hi.

 

[Irish Insanity]

How about Coney? IMO he has looked more impressive than Morgan when out there.

Good point. Morgan just happened to be the first name to mind. Didn't Coney come in briefly yesterday and his first play was blowing up the QB as he rolled out in the backfield?

 

[T Town Tommy]

How about Coney? IMO he has looked more impressive than Morgan when out there.

Coney looked athletic out there. But his athleticism cost him on a few plays. He either took the wrong angle because he overran the play or in his attempt to get to the QB, he missed his assignment on the pitch. If he ever figures out how to effectively use his abilities, he will be a very solid player. I think it is youthfulness on his part and he will learn.

 

[Anchorman]

Good point. Morgan just happened to be the first name to mind. Didn't Coney come in briefly yesterday and his first play was blowing up the QB as he rolled out in the backfield?

Coney got lucky and completely blew his assignment on that play if I recall.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Coney looked athletic out there. But his athleticism cost him on a few plays. He either took the wrong angle because he overran the play or in his attempt to get to the QB, he missed his assignment on the pitch. If he ever figures out how to effectively use his abilities, he will be a very solid player. I think it is youthfulness on his part and he will learn.

But how would he look on the other 10 games we don't play the option offense?

 

[ThePiombino]

Aaron Lynch says hi.

Lynch was a true frosh...WHO SAW SIGNIFICANT PLAYING TIME! So clearly the staff is willing to play guys who "don't buy into the scheme".

Good point. Morgan just happened to be the first name to mind. Didn't Coney come in briefly yesterday and his first play was blowing up the QB as he rolled out in the backfield?

Coney slots in behind Smith, not Schmidt.

 

[T Town Tommy]

But how would he look on the other 10 games we don't play the option offense?

Depends. If he plays within his assignments he would do fine. But I have to think he is still trying to learn those assignments. A lot to ask from a player at his position.

 

[kmoose]

Not sure what team you've been watching all season, Joe and Redfield have been by far the worse players on the field on either side of the ball in my opinion....making tackles consistently 6 yards down field does not impress me..

So Joe is one of the worst defenders because his tackles come 6 yards downfield? How about the other 10 guys who not only did not make the play before the guy got 6 yards down the field, but didn't make the play once he DID get 6 yards down the field?

he can't beat his man on a blitz.

He's leading the team(tied with Day and Okwara) in sacks.

He is our ILB and we have played 2 options teams in 6 games..he SHOULD be our second leading tackler at a minimum

No, he shouldn't. Against a triple option team, your Mike is usually(not always, but usually) responsible for helping take away the fullback. The OLB/DE is usually responsible for forcing the pitch, and a safety or corner is generally responsible for the pitch man. Safeties, not Mike Linebackers, usually lead the team in tackles when playing a triple option team.

The fact that you're being aggressive with somebody because they are a fan and it pisses them off is ridiculous. It is incredibly frustrating watching it occur week after week.

The fact is that the fan asked a question. I was matter of fact about my initial answer, and then HE got aggressive with ME... "predictable answer from kmoose, 'if the coaches made the decision you can't question it". I then responded in kind. But koon always does this....... he plays passive aggressive and then whines about being picked on and persecuted. You aren't the first "White Knight" to stick up for him, and you probably won't be the last. But you will realize, like all of the rest have done, that it's not everyone but koon..........

 

[ThePiombino]

And another thing - how is a player "not buying into the scheme" any worse than a player who "buys into the scheme" but constantly gets exploited for his athletic insufficiency?