National Recruiting Thread

[ShakeDown]

I think we have a chance to make a big impression on him on his official because he seems like a high academic type of prospect.

It blows my mind that an intelligent kid like him would say Vandy, ND, and FSU in the same sentence.

 

[STLDomer]

“@rivalsmike: Ok, I think #Auburn has the edge for Derrick Green now over #Michigan -- gut feeling but he says no decision this weekend despite rumors"

 

[NDPhilly]

Good. Green is a great back.

 

[Ironman8]

Good. Green is a great back.

I agree. I think both Greens are in the top 5 in this class. Ugh I really wanted Ryan Green.

 

[STLDomer]

QB Luke Del Rio will walk on at Alabama, passing up offers from Oregon St, Oklahoma St, and UCLA

 

[KPENN]

QB Luke Del Rio will walk on at Alabama, passing up offers from Oregon St, Oklahoma St, and UCLA

Helps that his daddy has some money.

 

[Irish Man3]

Really thought he would have landed at UCLA under Mora.

 

[irish o'phile]

So, Texas A&M has 33 commits at this time. Is there a reason for this, or is it simply SEC over signing stuff?

 

[fightingirish26]

So, Texas A&M has 33 commits at this time. Is there a reason for this, or is it simply SEC over signing stuff?

oversigning im pretty sure i heard someone on ESPN say that this wasnt surprising considering the nature of the sec

 

[IHateMarkMay]

So, Texas A&M has 33 commits at this time. Is there a reason for this, or is it simply SEC over signing stuff?

When in Rome...

 

[NDPhilly]

Derrick Green said yesterday that Michigan leads. Ugh.

 

[Bishop2b5]

oversigning im pretty sure i heard someone on ESPN say that this wasnt surprising considering the nature of the sec

No, SEC rules only allow you to sign 27 and bring in 25 (allowing for 2 non-qualifiers) under most circumstances. Someone here in another thread explained what's going on with A&M, but I can't recall the exact details. IIRC, A&M has several open slots left over from last season's class, 25 signees would still leave them below 85 on scholarship, and thus can oversign a bit this year to get back up to full strength.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Isn't their dad an MD?

Not sure about the dad. The mom is a legislator in their native country (Nigeria?) and has stated she prefers Bama, but the older brother is at Ole Miss and Robert seems to be leaning in that direction. I think we have about a 35% chance of landing him.

 

[Emcee77]

My post from earlier today.

Looks like Greg Bryant is going to switch from OU to Auburn. This sucks because Auburn was really the only other major competitor to Michigan for Derrick Green. Michigan has gotten extremely lucky during his recruitment. Just a few weeks ago he was favoring Clemson and OSU. Than Clemson filled up and OSU said no thanks.

Thats probably who it is.

Man, that's fun to read in hindsight.

 

[irishog77]

No, SEC rules only allow you to sign 27 and bring in 25 (allowing for 2 non-qualifiers) under most circumstances. Someone here in another thread explained what's going on with A&M, but I can't recall the exact details. IIRC, A&M has several open slots left over from last season's class, 25 signees would still leave them below 85 on scholarship, and thus can oversign a bit this year to get back up to full strength.

Aren't some of A&M's guys Juco's as well; meaning a few of those guys are Sophomores, Juniors? I believe, per the new SEC "rules" on oversigning, you could sign, say, 50 guys in a class still...provided you are under or at 85 and only 27/25 are Freshmen.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Aren't some of A&M's guys Juco's as well; meaning a few of those guys are Sophomores, Juniors? I believe, per the new SEC "rules" on oversigning, you could sign, say, 50 guys in a class still...provided you are under or at 85 and only 27/25 are Freshmen.

No, JUCO transfers count toward the 25 just like freshmen. You can't sign 25 freshmen AND several JUCO's. You can just sign up to 27 total and bring in 25 unless you have additional scholarships left over from the previous year's recruiting class and will still be at 85 or fewer on scholarship.

 

[irishog77]

No, JUCO transfers count toward the 25 just like freshmen. You can't sign 25 freshmen AND several JUCO's. You can just sign up to 27 total and bring in 25 unless you have additional scholarships left over from the previous year's recruiting class and will still be at 85 or fewer on scholarship.

Ok. So 85 is the key number here (A&M). And the 27/25 really doesn't mean sh!t then if you've got more than 25 spots available. Then an SEC team could still sign 50 freshman (theoretically), if they only had 35 returning scholly players?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Ok. So 85 is the key number here (A&M). And the 27/25 really doesn't mean sh!t then if you've got more than 25 spots available. Then an SEC team could still sign 50 freshman (theoretically), if they only had 35 returning scholly players?

Are you being intentionally obtuse or just determined to twist everything because you hate the SEC and have made up your mind about the situation regardless of the truth? Seriously. I'm not trying to argue or be insulting to you, but you appear determined to wilfully distort and misrepresent the facts in order to make a point. The need to do so is usually a good indication that an argument is invalid and NOT supported by the truth.

We have to follow the same NCAA rules as everyone else. SEC rules are more restrictive than the NCAA's on this subject. You may not like those rules. I don't like some of their rules either, but they are the ones in effect at this time and we have to follow them like everyone else.

I don't think there was anything in my reply that was unclear unless you went out of your way to misinterpret it. SEC rules allow teams to sign up to 27 and bring in up to 25 per class. The only exception is if you have scholarships remaining from your PREVIOUS recruiting class AND have room for them under the 85 total scholarships cap.

Occassionally, a team won't use all 25 scholarships with a recruiting class for various reasons. They will then have a few scholarships left over to use with the following year's recruiting class and can use those extra scholarships to exceed the 25 limit as long as they don't exceed a total of 85 on scholarship by the start of the following season - all completely within NCAA rules. Hardly any sort of competitive advantage in delaying bringing players into your program.

A few of you seem determined, despite all facts and explanations to the contrary, to believe SEC teams promise scholarships to 50 players each class, keep only the best ones, and sign 40 new players every year. Check your facts and look past the hatred and bias towards all things Southern or SEC.

 

[Rack Em]

Are you being intentionally obtuse or just determined to twist everything because you hate the SEC and have made up your mind about the situation regardless of the truth? Seriously. I'm not trying to argue or be insulting to you, but you appear determined to wilfully distort and misrepresent the facts in order to make a point. The need to do so is usually a good indication that an argument is invalid and NOT supported by the truth.

A few of you seem determined, despite all facts and explanations to the contrary, to believe SEC teams promise scholarships to 50 players each class, keep only the best ones, and sign 40 new players every year. Check your facts and look past the hatred and bias towards all things Southern or SEC.

Easy with the attitude. That was a sincere question.

 

[irishog77]

Ok. So 85 is the key number here (A&M). And the 27/25 really doesn't mean sh!t then if you've got more than 25 spots available. Then an SEC team could still sign 50 freshman (theoretically), if they only had 35 returning scholly players?

Are you being intentionally obtuse or just determined to twist everything because you hate the SEC and have made up your mind about the situation regardless of the truth? Seriously. I'm not trying to argue or be insulting to you, but you appear determined to wilfully distort and misrepresent the facts in order to make a point. The need to do so is usually a good indication that an argument is invalid and NOT supported by the truth.

We have to follow the same NCAA rules as everyone else. SEC rules are more restrictive than the NCAA's on this subject. You may not like those rules. I don't like some of their rules either, but they are the ones in effect at this time and we have to follow them like everyone else.

I don't think there was anything in my reply that was unclear unless you went out of your way to misinterpret it. SEC rules allow teams to sign up to 27 and bring in up to 25 per class. The only exception is if you have scholarships remaining from your PREVIOUS recruiting class AND have room for them under the 85 total scholarships cap.

Occassionally, a team won't use all 25 scholarships with a recruiting class for various reasons. They will then have a few scholarships left over to use with the following year's recruiting class and can use those extra scholarships to exceed the 25 limit as long as they don't exceed a total of 85 on scholarship by the start of the following season - all completely within NCAA rules. Hardly any sort of competitive advantage in delaying bringing players into your program.

A few of you seem determined, despite all facts and explanations to the contrary, to believe SEC teams promise scholarships to 50 players each class, keep only the best ones, and sign 40 new players every year. Check your facts and look past the hatred and bias towards all things Southern or SEC.

Easy with the attitude. That was a sincere question.

So the actual answer to my THEORETICAL question is just a simple "Yes." Thanks for 5 paragraphs though.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Easy with the attitude. That was a sincere question.

I'm not trying to be heavy on attitude, and apologize if a bit of temper showed, but his question was not sincere. He has repeatedly twisted the facts, intentionally misinterpreted my replies, and is clearly trying to be insulting and derogatory towards SEC teams by doing so. I'm reacting the same way most ND fans would were someone doing the same towards their team. A difference of opinion is great. A wilfull attempt to misinterpret things in order to be insulting is not.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So the actual answer to my THEORETICAL question is just a simple "Yes." Thanks for 5 paragraphs though.

Again, sir, you are attempting to be coy and less than honest. Your assertion was that SEC teams could sign as many players in a class as they wanted as long as they didn't exceed 85 total on scholarship, and not so subtley insinuating that SEC schools cheat to get extra players. I explained clearly that wasn't the case and more than 25 could be signed only if a school had scholarships left over from the previous class. If you still don't understand, then I'm sorry. I'm unable to explain it any more clearly to you so that you might understand. OTOH, if your intention is just to be insulting and argue, I'll leave you to your own devices and resist the temptation to lower myself to that level. Have a good day and enjoy the game next week.

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

I'm not trying to be heavy on attitude, and apologize if a bit of temper showed, but his question was not sincere. He has repeatedly twisted the facts, intentionally misinterpreted my replies, and is clearly trying to be insulting and derogatory towards SEC teams by doing so. I'm reacting the same way most ND fans would were someone doing the same towards their team. A difference of opinion is great. A wilfull attempt to misinterpret things in order to be insulting is not.

I'll make this easy to understand. You're an SEC fan, Bama specifically, married to an SC grad/fan, and you're on here posting such things as: ' A 17-23 loss for ND in the NC game, claiming that Bama is more conditioned than ND, all of this on a Notre Dame Board, and those were just two of the most recent comments I've read of yours, so who knows what else or who else you've rubbed the wrong way up to this point.

I don't mind opinions and you are more than welcome to share them but when you post such things, what sort of welcoming did you expect? You aren't going to get the same sort of leeway when you share your opinions and those being negative opinions towards our Irish. Things I'm sure are not that much different on your bama boards. Just roll with the punches on this board and don't take everyone so seriously. Obviously irishOG77 must have gotten under your skin a little bit, whether he meant that or not, it's happening. Just move on.

 

[Bishop2b5]

you're on here posting such things as: ' A 17-23 loss for ND in the NC game, claiming that Bama is more conditioned than ND.

Actually, I've said nothing but complimentary things about ND, that both our teams are very talented and fundamentally sound, that both are in outstanding condition, but believe fatigue will be a factor for BOTH sides late in the game, that I believe the game could go either way, and that I have nothng but respect for you as a school and a football program.

The worst thing I believe I've said is that I think Bama will probably win by about 6 points. Since most experts across the country are also predicting a Bama win in a close game - and I am a Bama fan afterall - that hardly seems arrogant or insulting.

 

[ARALOU]

It isn't insulting. A bit delusional maybe but not insulting. See, we can backhand also. You have to remember, we have watched this team grow and win all season. Many of us have watched this team be built from the ground up. Watched the recruiting, watched our guys come up with plays to win. So forgive us if we come off as a little cocky on our own forum.

I don't frequent other forums. Especially opposing teams. The only forums I have even looked at were linked through this website. I signed up for another ND forum that was linked through here about 4 years ago. Couldn't tell you the name if it or how to get back to it. My point is, I read this board to interact with other Irish fans. I am ok with other teams fans posting here and even reading their opinions. I can't speak for Bama boards but I haven't seen any links from members here talking about a "good Bama board to go to". I have my own opinion about Bama and I doubt any Bama fan would agree. Irish may lose, may get boat raced, may win, may boat race Bama. Who knows. I certainly wouldn't register on a Bama board and post my opinions and expect not to get some conflict. Of course I wouldn't register on a Bama board anyway. Its a little different having friends you have known for years that are Bama fans and exchanging smack and exchanging smack with someone you don't know.

Either way good luck in the game. Playing for it all is very exciting and I for one am going to enjoy it and not apologize for my fandom.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It isn't insulting. A bit delusional maybe but not insulting. See, we can backhand also. You have to remember, we have watched this team grow and win all season. Many of us have watched this team be built from the ground up. Watched the recruiting, watched our guys come up with plays to win. So forgive us if we come off as a little cocky on our own forum.

I certainly wouldn't register on a Bama board and post my opinions and expect not to get some conflict.

Either way good luck in the game. Playing for it all is very exciting and I for one am going to enjoy it and not apologize for my fandom.

First, we get how you feel about your team and watching them rebuild and climb back to the top after so many years of not being there. We were in the same boat just a few years ago, coming off several seasons of disappointment, thinking we were back and then finding out we weren't more than once, disappointing HC hires, high expectations and mediocre results, wondering when and if the magic would ever return, and finally having it happen. It's a great feeling and we understand. You love your team. You're proud of them and your school. You should be. Same with us.

As for opinions and posting here, it's interesting to get a reasonable view from the other side. I've tried to give mine and be respectful. Most of your fans here seem like good people and are knowledgeable about football. At no time have I tried to put your team down or be arrogant about mine. Do I think we'll win? Yes, but so do most people from outside the ND fanbase. Does that mean I think Bama is better in some areas than ND? Of course. If I didn't, I would be picking ND in a landslide. Do I think ND is better in some areas than Bama. Absolutely. You have a very good team. You're undefeated and ranked #1 for a reason.

Good luck to you too. I think it's going to be a heck of a good game between the two most storied programs in college football, both teams are good enough that it could go either way, and win or lose neither of us have any need to apologize for our fandom.

 

[Bishop2b5]

On a different note, I have a serious question. Our two schools rarely battle head-to-head over recruits, but it happens. Even less often do we steal a recruit out of the other's back yard. Back in the 70's Rich Wingo from Elkhart was committed to ND or at least leaning heavily in that direction, but Bear got him and he went on to be a great player for us.

I remember something from several years ago about ND getting a top recruit out of Tuscaloosa that we wanted, but can't recall a name. Can anybody remember who it was?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

On a different note, I have a serious question. Our two schools rarely battle head-to-head over recruits, but it happens. Even less often do we steal a recruit out of the other's back yard. Back in the 70's Rich Wingo from Elkhart was committed to ND or at least leaning heavily in that direction, but Bear got him and he went on to be a great player for us.

I remember something from several years ago about ND getting a top recruit out of Tuscaloosa that we wanted, but can't recall a name. Can anybody remember who it was?

Justin Tuck was from Alabama..

 

[ARALOU]

Fair enough. I don't have any recollection of a player from Tuscaloosa but that doesn't mean there wasnt one. Even a star Irish player. I recall many from Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee just to name a few. I have noticed that Alabama and ND historically have not gone head to head o ablarge number of recruits. That may or may not change. Seems ND have looked at Jones. He certainly fits the Irish profile and is an outstanding player and student. Someone else may he able to answer your question.

 

[ARALOU]

There ya go. Justin Tuck