Moving on to 2016

[NDRock]

Anyone talking about possible position changes? Who would you like to see moved?

Justin Brent to safety perhaps?

That's the one that stands out to me, though I just can''t see him being able to grasp the complexities of the defense when he's banging former porn stars.

 

[wizards8507]

Anyone talking about possible position changes? Who would you like to see moved?

Justin Brent to safety perhaps?

Malik Zaire to fullback. Half italics. Imagine that backfield? Run the Navy offense out of the flexbone with Adams and Prosise as the A-backs and Zaire as the B-back.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm not quite on the fire BVG bandwagon. He's still adjusting the roster he inherited that was fit to run a different scheme. Let's get another class of recruits that fit the system worked in and if the results are still the same, then it would be time to make a change


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I'm not either, but I could see BK having BVG simplify things somewhat.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I just have a conflict over this with CJ because when there was nobody left in the backfield except for the freshmen, CJ basically said, 'ok, i'll do it' and did it very well until another freak'n injury.

I'm just wondering where he will be 'tested' in camp come next spring/summer and, will he be somewhat rewarded for stepping in and doing one hell of job?

edit: I guess what I am trying to ask/say, will CJ - if he does come back next year - will he get his fair shake in the offense when there will be so many weapons, youthful and proven over a 5th year player?

 

[ThePiombino]

Malik Zaire to fullback. Half italics. Imagine that backfield? Run the Navy offense out of the flexbone with Adams and Prosise as the A-backs and Zaire as the B-back.

I've suggested Zaire to H-back a while back, idea was not met with open arms. I still think it could work with his athleticism.

 

[dublinirish]

I've suggested Zaire to H-back a while back, idea was not met with open arms. I still think it could work with his athleticism.

id rather him play running back

 

[ThePiombino]

id rather him play running back

I think we're pretty set there with 7 RBs likely on the roster come spring (8 if you count Brent).

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I'm on the Zaire to Running back/H-back train as well. Especially if he wants a future in the NFL. I don't think he can hang in the NFL as a QB. I'm all in on Kizer as our Starter without question.

 

[RDU Irish]

I just have a conflict over this with CJ because when there was nobody left in the backfield except for the freshmen, CJ basically said, 'ok, i'll do it' and did it very well until another freak'n injury.

I'm just wondering where he will be 'tested' in camp come next spring/summer and, will he be somewhat rewarded for stepping in and doing one hell of job?

edit: I guess what I am trying to ask/say, will CJ - if he does come back next year - will he get his fair shake in the offense when there will be so many weapons, youthful and proven over a 5th year player?

CJ will be starting with Folston splitting the reps. CJ has elite game breaking ability which is not going to sit on the bench. It just took injuries for him to be thrust into a position with enough touches per game to highlight his ability. While Adams has earned reps, the talent in front of him is too great and he will be relegated to 4thQ blowout touches.

 

[Dizzyphil]

CJ will be starting with Folston splitting the reps. CJ has elite game breaking ability which is not going to sit on the bench. It just took injuries for him to be thrust into a position with enough touches per game to highlight his ability. While Adams has earned reps, the talent in front of him is too great and he will be relegated to 4thQ blowout touches.

This is what I am hopeful for two-fold. To have CJ get his reps, and to have the problem of so much talent in the backfield.

 

[dublinirish]

I'd go all in on Josh Adams. I wouldn't invest too much in Folston

 

[irishff1014]

Adams and Folston are great pair.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Are some of you high? CJ was the most electric running back we have had on our roster in yrs...does not matter what he was recruited for or what it took for him to end up where he did...he has patience, vision, burst, gamebreaking speed, power, wiggle and everything else we woud be looking for in a RB if we were building one. No way you take the ball out of his hands...imagine what a year of developmemt at the position will do for him. I agree you move him around some to create mismatches, but overall i'd literally be shocked if he isnt our #1 tailback going into the season...the difference is he will see 15 carries out of the backfield and a half dozen or so touches out of the slot rather than 25 a game from the backfield. That still leaves another 20-30 touches to be split between adams and folston with a few sprinkled in for the QB...there is plenty to go around, but you dont take a gamebreaker out of the position just on principal to put folston back there to dance his way to 4-5 yards a carry with no breakaway speed. Our offense is predicated on creating huge chunk plays, something we did with great regularity this season. Next season we keep that train rolling on and just build off of it and focus on developing an identity that can punch the ball in from inside the 20.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

There is so much to see in this off season. How TF recovers, how Adams and Prosise play in the bowl game. But if I were putting numbers on it right now, I'd expect Kelly to run:

40% Folston
40% Prosise
20% Adams

If we take a comfortable lead, I'd expect to see Dex get a lot of work to try and move into the rotation.

I still feel Folston is the most complete RB. He doesn't have the big play ability but on 4th&2, I think I'd be calling Mr. Folston over Prosise or Adams.

But as I said, lots of time between now and our first game in 2016. These young men have plenty of time to work their way up or down Kelly's rotation.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

There is so much to see in this off season. How TF recovers, how Adams and Prosise play in the bowl game. But if I were putting numbers on it right now, I'd expect Kelly to run:

40% Folston
40% Prosise
20% Adams

If we take a comfortable lead, I'd expect to see Dex get a lot of work to try and move into the rotation.

I still feel Folston is the most complete RB. He doesn't have the big play ability but on 4th&2, I think I'd be calling Mr. Folston over Prosise or Adams.

But as I said, lots of time between now and our first game in 2016. These young men have plenty of time to work their way up or down Kelly's rotation.

Why not redshirt Dex (and Wimbush)?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Why not redshirt Dex (and Wimbush)?

I think that's a guarantee assuming a healthy depth chart.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Why not redshirt Dex (and Wimbush)?

I think that's a guarantee assuming a healthy depth chart.

Absolutely. Would love to see Dex have another year to simply work on learning the system, adding strength and hopefully speed then breaking out in 17.

It'll be interesting to see what TJJr brings to this team. I wonder if we'll have the luxury of RS 3 backs next year?

Any others care to dispute the % between the 3 horses?

 

[irishfan]

at Texas
Nevada
Michigan State
Duke
at Syracuse - MetLife
at NC State
Stanford
Bye
Miami
Navy - Jacksonville
Army - Alamodome in San Antonio
Va Tech
at USC

Only 3 true road games next year.

Michigan State, Stanford, and USC are the only 3 teams right now who should pose any real threat. That's not to say we won't have a WTF game mixed in, but from a pure talent/experience standpoint, we are a step ahead of everyone else on the schedule.

MSU, Stanford, and USC are also all breaking in new QBs...schedules are never as easy or as hard as they seem pre-season (and were months away from "pre-season" obviously), but this is probably the friendliest schedule we have had in years.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

There is so much to see in this off season. How TF recovers, how Adams and Prosise play in the bowl game. But if I were putting numbers on it right now, I'd expect Kelly to run:

40% Folston
40% Prosise
20% Adams

If we take a comfortable lead, I'd expect to see Dex get a lot of work to try and move into the rotation.

I still feel Folston is the most complete RB. He doesn't have the big play ability but on 4th&2, I think I'd be calling Mr. Folston over Prosise or Adams.

But as I said, lots of time between now and our first game in 2016. These young men have plenty of time to work their way up or down Kelly's rotation.

Folston is absolutely the 3rd down and goal line back. He runs at least as hard as the other two, knows how to get low, makes people miss, and consistently hits the right hole. He's as complete and natural a RB in the country, really only lacking elite breakaway speed (which on 3rd down and in the red zone isn't that important). Eerily similar to the Cierre/Gray combo in 2011, except perhaps better, and with Adams much more depth at the position.

Anyway I think Procise declares for the draft so it probably won't matter.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I would rank them as follows:

1a: USC
1b: Stanford
1c: Michigan State
4: Miami
5: Virginia Tech
6: Texas
7: Duke
8: North Carolina State
9: Navy
10: Syracuse
11: Nevada
12: Army

Just look at the coaching Kelly has to go up against: Dantonio, Richt, Strong, Shaw, Fuente, Niumatalolo, Cutcliffe.

Next year will be intense regardless of how good Notre Dame is IMO.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I would rank them as follows:

1a: USC
1b: Stanford
1c: Michigan State
4: Miami
5: Virginia Tech
6: Texas
7: Duke
8: North Carolina State
9: Navy
10: Syracuse
11: Nevada
12: Army

Just look at the coaching Kelly has to go up against: Dantonio, Richt, Strong, Shaw, Fuente, Niumatalolo, Cutcliffe.

Next year will be intense regardless of how good Notre Dame is IMO.

Yeah. That's sick.

Watch though...they'll all tank after they play us.

 

[gkIrish]

I would rank them as follows:

1a: USC
1b: Stanford
1c: Michigan State
4: Miami
5: Virginia Tech
6: Texas
7: Duke
8: North Carolina State
9: Navy
10: Syracuse
11: Nevada
12: Army

Just look at the coaching Kelly has to go up against: Dantonio, Richt, Strong, Shaw, Fuente, Niumatalolo, Cutcliffe.

Next year will be intense regardless of how good Notre Dame is IMO.

I would move Michigan St. to the top. Otherwise I agree.

 

[simontonlake]

re: Smith returning next year

re: Smith returning next year

Unless we fix the defense, Smith's returning will only put a band aid on the situation.

 

[ThePiombino]

Unless we fix the defense, Smith's returning will only put a band aid on the situation.

Wouldn't you agree that Smith returning would go a long way towards fixing the D? lol I mean, you wanna get better right? Who better?

 

[beryirish]

I'm up in the air on my prediction with Jaylon.

It can go either Manti Te'o/Sheldon Day and stay.

Or.

It can go Stephon Tuitt/Louis Nix and go pro.

I hope he's like Te'o and Day obviously.

 

[dad4aa]

Just saw Fuller, Prosise, J. Smith, Stanley and Russell submitted paperwork for NFL evaluations. Does Stanley have another year if he wanted?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Just saw Fuller, Prosise, J. Smith, Stanley and Russell submitted paperwork for NFL evaluations. Does Stanley have another year if he wanted?

Stanley, Day and Smith are gone. No info, just don't hold out hope.

Russell may have a year he could apply for and have another full season under his belt. Prosise should come back but if he's projected in the first three rounds, I wouldn't blame him for going.

I hope Fuller comes back but if he's graded top 40, I wouldn't blame him for leaving.

 

[Grahambo]

Mike Frank and Bill Regan were talking on Power Hour about the LB corps for next season. It was a brief discussion but they mentioned how 'some people' think that Te'von Coney is better suited for MLB. The thought is perhaps moving Greer Martini from Will to Sam with Coney going to MLB; maybe even Greer as MLB.

Interesting thoughts.

 

[Guest]

I think the answer is yes. Folston/Smith as 1a 1b RBs and Prosise in a "Rocket" type role.

EDIT: ESB and Fuller out wide and Alize' fuckin shit up in the middle?

Brent and Hunter running around.... It's going to be ridiculous.

Can't Wait.

As one of my all time favorite players, nobody on NDs current roster can compare to Rocket. But I agree of all the players available, CJ is probably closest to that overall skill set (Sanders might be a poor man's version also just because of his speed and return ability).

CJ catching passes out of the backfield or running is a suicide option for the defense. If they commit to run and he swings out, it could be a TD every time. If they don't commit the extra LB to stop the run, he kills them will 9 yard jabs over and over.

CJ lining up in the slot is much better than Amir, and could make this offense even more dynamic.

This offense is going to be ridiculous.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Mike Frank and Bill Regan were talking on Power Hour about the LB corps for next season. It was a brief discussion but they mentioned how 'some people' think that Te'von Coney is better suited for MLB. The thought is perhaps moving Greer Martini from Will to Sam with Coney going to MLB; maybe even Greer as MLB.

Interesting thoughts.

If Coney did play that position, would Nyles move? Asmar? Barajas? Onwualu? Excited to see the competition. Hopefully Tranquil heals fully and is ready for a healthy year.