Miami Postgame Thread

BeatSC

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Have you ever played a sport? Get fucking real man.
The way we rotate guys and TV timeouts I can see them getting tired of standing around but trained up athletes in their early 20’s should not be tired. Just tired of waiting. Yes, football and tennis both at the JC level. Played two ways center and OLB. Got tired sometimes for sure but timeouts weren’t that long back then. Don’t remember getting tired just beat up.
 

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The way we rotate guys and TV timeouts I can see them getting tired of standing around but trained up athletes in their early 20’s should not be tired. Just tired of waiting. Yes, football and tennis both at the JC level. Played two ways center and OLB. Got tired sometimes for sure but timeouts weren’t that long back then. Don’t remember getting tired just beat up.
Got it. Athletes shouldn’t get tired during games. Even those played in high heat and humidity by 300 lb athletes. Because tv timeouts. JC football and tennis player says so.
 

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At this point it's become a habit in all the big games and it's alarming. How hard is it to give an AA RB carries? 20 carries in the Playoffs and 4 carries in the Championship game! Never seen a situation in Football where the biggest obstacle for an AA RB is his own staff. Running more designed runs for Carr than Love is unfathomable.
He was injured in the CFP. He talked about it in his player's tribune article, he wanted to do more but the staff wouldn't allow it,.and he's grateful for it.

Last night was a different issue. Everything was an RPO, and surprise surprise, Miami showed looks to take the R out of play and try to force the check to the P. They could/should have called straight runs (which MF said in the post game) but I'm not sure how comfortable they feel with that given the issues with TE depth.
 

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My point was this, to me its more about the call and the situation we are in. You don't trust our young qb to throw it down the field and loosen up the defense but you trust him in a high intense period of the game to make an RPO read instead of just calling a run with the pass fake included. I don't like the covering if the coaches ass when the blame should be shared by both the coach and player. Coach shitty call, player shitty read.
I agree with you. I’m not going to sit here and say I know more then Mike Denbrock so I’m more just curious the thought process.
 

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It’s also possible Miami’s ends are a uniquely bad match up, as both Bain and Mesidor are 280lbs, which is rare even among top teams. Knapp and Wagner should perform better against lighter / twitchier guys than these two.

For comparison - A&M’s top edge rushers are much smaller:
- TJ Searcy: 255lbs
- Cassius Howell: 255lbs
- Dayon Hayes: 264lbs
 

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A 10-2 ND will get in. The TV partners would throw a fit if the committee put a school like Texas Tech or Ole Miss in there as the last at large spot with the same record as ND.

Don’t count your eggs just yet.

We still have Texas A&M, USC and we play at Pitt. We always struggle there.
 

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I'm no professional game analyst, but here is my big-picture (I'm a bigger pic kind of guy) impression I got from watching last night's game:

- The D was definitely not an Al Golden one (he is sorely missed!), but it's early, and hopefully, it will develop its own personality and strengths; I do think the D after adjustments was growing in strength and stoutness as the 2nd half wore on. After that early almost 8-min MIA drive, MIA only scored a total of 6 points, and the interception deep in ND territory handed them the first one.

- The O was definitely part tentative, testing things, part keeping Carr tamed, part the OL being so so and needing identity, and part Raridon dropping passes he should have caught; this guy can be a very important cog in the ND O wheel this year.

- I agree with all that Carr is the real deal, and will only get better; I would much rather have seen MD only play it safe for a series or two, but then really have unleashed Carr - I think Carr showed he can and does react positively, even improvising as needed. MF and MD should have been willing to accept any downsides (interceptions) of Carr going for it because that is how he and the team will grow and the upside of that is unbound and likely would have had ND coming out on top. (I do worry he risks himself too much on the QB keeper runs - He outright led with his head down on that one run - yikes!).

- As far as the season goes, I agree that it now doesn't leave a lot of margin for error for the remainder of the season with games against very capable TAMU, AK, USC, SYR, and PITT remaining; that said, there's a lot to be said that this was a game to learn from and make adjustments and it's a positive that the team now has 2 weeks to prepare for maybe our toughest game of the year against TAMU.

- Remember, with a longer season that can include up to 4 playoff games, it's not so bad to be fine-tuned and peaking towards, or even in, the playoffs as OSU showed last year. Remember, they were coming off a big MI loss only on Thanksgiving w/e and had lost to OR in mid Oct, but they were a different team in the playoffs.

- I know sometimes MF seems a little too chill, patient, and not critical enough, but that could be his coaching and leadership style magic that just works at ND - It did last year. His unwavering and relaxed confidence in RL even as we were all calling for his benching proved to be the right move last year; MMFF and staff may just pull this off again this year and we have just as capable a QB and OC/DCs on staff to do so. Let's give the team a chance and see how this team does over the next crucial 6 weeks through the 10/18 USC game at home.

- It's a long season and this was just a really early in the season late August game away in a loud stadium where there were a lot of debuts (Carr, Ash, OL, and to a degree, Eli Raridon with so many injuries and now the featured TE), where the other team kept the ball out of ND's hands for a large chunk of the game, and where there were some fluke bouncing balls (I still wonder if CJ Daniels actually did catch that TD pass, but no camera could catch it on video).

Go Irish, beat TAMU! 🍀🍀🍀
 
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Well now I’m feeling worse. SP+ dropped us all the way to 18. Shocked to see that.
 

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MF was really pumping up the Dline the last 2 weeks..

Maybe the oline flat out sucks and that’s why he was so enthused about them?
 

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Been thinking about this all day but did Ash really send the lb's last night. Only time I saw them rush was when we had them play end. I though Ash was aggressive?
 

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Wagner will be good - great against most of the schedule. He is not strong enough against NFL/CFP level DEs. Probably not a concern after WK 3 until the CFP potentially, but it is what it is. The fact the beat was celebrating that he was 300 pounds earlier this off-season was pathetic.

Knapp probably okay - good as well versus most teams. Making a move to Jagusah at LT is the move if you’re thinking CFP.
Jagusah to LT who gets left out?
LT Jagusah
LG SCHRAUTH
Center Craig/Knapp
RG Lambert
RT Wagner?
If they are gonna rotate Absher maybe you start rotating Wagner and Black at RT? I think regardless whose back Black is playing one of the tackle spots next year
 

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Williams was hurt. Wasn’t expected to play. I guess they really wanted to pass block on that one play. Washington was in and out of camp I didn’t think it was enough to not play but I guess so
If Williams was only gonna play one snap you Mise well play Williams and James their 5 games seperate from one another and let both redshirt wasting a year for Williams is stupid by the staff you also have Payne who could play as well. You got 11 games left play Williams 4 more and James 5 total in regular season then let them redshirt
 

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Next year they open up on the road in Green Bay against Wisconsin. Not the brightest scheduling IMO.
Just about everyone should be back next year minus Love, Price, Field, Pauling, Onye, Dawson, Botehlo, Smith, JT, Sneed and Stroman you got a boat load of talented DB’s waiting to break out so depth shouldn’t be the problem there, RB should be fine, OL should be fine, DE should be fine, they’ll have to probally hit the portal again for 1 WR, 1TE, 2-3 DT/NT’s. Wisconsin isn’t gonna be good. Only good teams we will play next year probally Miami, USC and Florida State. Michigan State should be okay. Miami is at home but USC and Florida State will be tough on the road
 
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I don't think we disguised our defensive schemes very well. Combine that with facing an experienced QB in Beck and our inability to win one on one match ups against Miami's massive OL, it was a pick your poison kinda of day for us and we slowly bled to a defeat. The rain and field conditions may have neutralized our DL's quickness and could be the reason for their poor play. I guess we will find out when we face A&M. Our "stops" in the fourth quarter were more Miami playing not to lose. Miami's play calling became extremely conservative.

Your point about the safety group is quite accurate. Both long Miami TD passes were a direct result of poor safety play. Talich drifting purposelessly in the endzone and not reacting. Shuler's passive attempt at an interception. The plays exemplified the reactive nature of defense.

On the offensive side, it seemed our gameplan was reminiscent to Charlies Weis's smoke and mirrors offense. There was no real attempt to establish the run. The screens and dump offs signified our unwillingness to compete in the trenches. We allowed ourselves to get bullied. I do not think Miami's defense is that good and they will be exposed.

I guess the biggest takeaway from the game is the loss of offensive identity.
The offensive identity is “Wasted Resources” and “Shitty OC”. Denbrock made his name on the back of a QB who is better than Caleb Williams. Kelly didn’t fight too hard to keep him. I wish he would have.
 

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It’s also possible Miami’s ends are a uniquely bad match up, as both Bain and Mesidor are 280lbs, which is rare even among top teams. Knapp and Wagner should perform better against lighter / twitchier guys than these two.

For comparison - A&M’s top edge rushers are much smaller:
- TJ Searcy: 255lbs
- Cassius Howell: 255lbs
- Dayon Hayes: 264lbs

Bain was a lot better than I expected. Was definitely hurt last season
 

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Just about everyone should be back next year minus Love, Price, Field, Pauling, Onye, Dawson, Botehlo, Smith, JT, Sneed and Stroman you got a boat load of talented DB’s waiting to break out so depth shouldn’t be the problem there, RB should be fine, OL should be fine, DE should be fine, they’ll have to probally hit the portal again for 1 WR, 1TE, 2-3 DT/NT’s
Any chance one of the CB's moves to DT?
 

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Miami is a good bit better than FSU. Would probably take them versus LSU. OSU we will see but yeah defending champs.
OSU had 200 total yards at home. A loss is in their future. Maybe 2-3.
 

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The way we rotate guys and TV timeouts I can see them getting tired of standing around but trained up athletes in their early 20’s should not be tired. Just tired of waiting. Yes, football and tennis both at the JC level. Played two ways center and OLB. Got tired sometimes for sure but timeouts weren’t that long back then. Don’t remember getting tired just beat up.
Two ways past the Prep level is noooo joke, tried it in spot duty at CB as a WR. I commend Hunter for going out there for 100+ plays a game, that's some pristine conditioning.
 

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So which one is it, the playcalling should have RTDB with Love, or the OL was horrendous? Because the fanbase seems to be taking both positions, which doesnt really add up IMO.

I think the OL was mediocre, and Miami's Bain is a 1st round draft pick.
Love and price are good enough to overcome mediocre line play and actually make them look better. Both make yards out of nothing. Price can bounce it outside like he did and get you 30. In order for that to happen you have to give him the ball again!
 
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