Miami Postgame Thread

[Sunshine]

A 10-2 ND will get in. The TV partners would throw a fit if the committee put a school like Texas Tech or Ole Miss in there as the last at large spot with the same record as ND.

 

[Dale]

We also played the worst of the four winning teams.

Miami is a good bit better than FSU. Would probably take them versus LSU. OSU we will see but yeah defending champs.

 

[calvegas04]

We also played the worst of the four winning teams.

Texas didn't look great

 

[BilboBaggins]

Respectfully, Knapp graded out as a "10" pass blocking grade on PFF which is otherworldly bad. And Lambert was almost as bad too, and the line overall gave up 3 sacks + 2 intentional groundings. 5 "sacks" on 35ish drop back is horrendous.

So which one is it, the playcalling should have RTDB with Love, or the OL was horrendous? Because the fanbase seems to be taking both positions, which doesnt really add up IMO.

I think the OL was mediocre, and Miami's Bain is a 1st round draft pick.

 

[NotKoon]

This loss was tough to swallow because it felt like there was a chance to win if they didn't handcuff the offense in the first half. I also think I'm taking it harder than necessary because my brain is still adjusting to the 12 team playoff era in regards to the importance of each game.

Hopefully the staff learns something from last night. When playing a top tier team, you have to play to win, not play to not lose. Freeman and Co took the lessons from NIU and it spawned a great season. Hopefully they do the same here

 

[BilboBaggins]

The only way we come close to winning a championship this year is if Carr goes bananas. More than likely we won’t be good enough in the trenches come playoff time.

Last year the team lost to NORTHERN ILLINOIS. A MAC team came in to South Bend and absolutely bodied Notre Dame in the trenches... and then Notre Dame went to the National Championship.

 

[Dale]

So which one is it, the playcalling should have RTDB with Love, or the OL was horrendous? Because the fanbase seems to be taking both positions, which doesnt really add up IMO.

I think the OL was mediocre, and Miami's Bain is a 1st round draft pick.

I mean you keep saying ND fans or the fanbase. We all don’t agree and don’t need to be spoke for lol.

Run blocking and pass blocking are also two different skills.

 

[BilboBaggins]

A 10-2 ND will get in. The TV partners would throw a fit if the committee put a school like Texas Tech or Ole Miss in there as the last at large spot with the same record as ND.

If Notre Dame loses to Texas A&M, which is a real possibility as their OL strength matches up very well against ND, everyone will be asking "what is ND's signature win?"

I like to think a 10-2 ND gets in, but I'm not 100% confident.

 

[IrishWayDomer]

A 10-2 ND could get in but would get bounced in the first round. We cant go 10-2.

 

[stlnd01]

So which one is it, the playcalling should have RTDB with Love, or the OL was horrendous? Because the fanbase seems to be taking both positions, which doesnt really add up IMO.

I think the OL was mediocre, and Miami's Bain is a 1st round draft pick.

Both?
Knapp is a capable run blocker but has always struggled with pass pro against good edge rushers. Bain is a 1st round pick who made Wagner look silly, but you can neutralize that by RTDB. Oh and we have maybe the best RB in college football and our RB2 would be RB1 on all but probably 10 or 15 teams.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Not that I think we are any serious contender but it’s wild that the odds on favorite is only +550.

 

[stlnd01]

A 10-2 ND could get in but would get bounced in the first round. We cant go 10-2.

Who knows what would happen in the playoffs, who we'd play, etc. Though at 10-2 we definitely don't host a first round game, which sure increases the odds of getting bounced.
I worry that at 10-2 we'd lack marquee wins, and depending how other teams break we could be left on the wrong side of the bubble. Best thing for us is if Miami looks that stout all season.

 

[calvegas04]

Does anyone know is Love tires to hurdle everyone during practice too?

 

[greyhammer90]

Does anyone know is Love tires to hurdle everyone during practice too?

Yeah the hurdling last night was freakish as usual, but if felt like a weird "memey" version of his running style. He had what, 5 hurdles in all of last year? (1 Northern Illinois, 1 Army, 1 USC, 2 Penn State?) Last night it felt like he was looking to go airborne at every opportunity to show off his calling card. I can't get too mad at it because it seems to be effective at getting another yard or so, but I do think it's playing with fire from an injury perspective.

 

[sfk324]

If Notre Dame loses to Texas A&M, which is a real possibility as their OL strength matches up very well against ND, everyone will be asking "what is ND's signature win?"

I like to think a 10-2 ND gets in, but I'm not 100% confident.

You could have asked the same last year, though. A&M wasn't as good as advertised last season, nor was Southern Cal. From the rankings, the best win was Army, followed by a handful of "also receiving votes" teams. We get in at 10-2 if we show good form (i.e., no blow out losses, not a bunch of squeaker wins) because we beat 2 out of 3 of Arkansas, A&M, and Southern Cal.

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Miami is a good bit better than FSU. Would probably take them versus LSU. OSU we will see but yeah defending champs.

I think the Noles will win by two scores. Anyone that can pressure Beck will give them fits.
That's what is grating on me. We lost to another B+ grade ACC team.

 

[NorthDakota]

I’m not going to demolish it but we saw things from the team & the staff we thought we left in the past. If want to be considered an elite program that’s not how you do it. Other than not being a POS I don’t see any reason not to think we aren’t that much different than we were under BK. Did we fight hard till the end? Absolutely! But we still lost like most BK teams would and that’s honestly the only thing that matters.

BK team loses that game by 3 or 4 touchdowns

 

[greyhammer90]

You could have asked the same last year, though. A&M wasn't as good as advertised last season, nor was Southern Cal. From the rankings, the best win was Army, followed by a handful of "also receiving votes" teams. We get in at 10-2 if we show good form (i.e., no blow out losses, not a bunch of squeaker wins) because we beat 2 out of 3 of Arkansas, A&M, and Southern Cal.

People forget how far away early September feels when you're in late November. I sincerely doubt an ND team with a 10 game winning streak that made the NCG last year is getting left out.

 

[sfk324]

I think the Noles will win by two scores. Anyone that can pressure Beck will give them fits.
That's what is grating on me. We lost to another B+ grade ACC team.

I don't know how anyone can be so sure of things with regards to Miami or FSU given both teams' use of the portal to rebuild. They each have exactly one data point, and of the four teams involved in the two games, the biggest issues are with DeBoer's boys in Tuscaloosa. Extrapolating anything beyond "Alabama....woof" from the two games requires ordering from TomSmykowski.com

 

[forkbeard3777]

A few “impartial” thoughts should you all care…

- CJ Carr appears to be the real deal. Much better than Manning and Sayin. He’s poised, confident, sharp. Y’all get a great one.

- The offensive line is, respectfully, seriously suspect. I know Jagusah is injured, but I really question their ability to both run block and pass block.

- Faison played like a dog. Reminded me of Steve Smith (Panthers). He was the toughest one out there.

- (Excluding QB scrambles), Carr cannot be leading in rushing attempts. With that RB room? It can’t happen.

- Why did Price not get any carries after the fumble? Do they have a “one fumble and you’re done” policy (Les Miles — LSU had that)?

- The defense was okay. They improved as the game went on, which I assume is due to a change in scheme. That’s something to be optimistic about. But, they had a bend don’t break type attitude. That was very different from last year’s defense

- Love needs to tone it down on the hurdling. I’m afraid he’s going to get hurt if he keeps trying.

- Overall, I thought the “energy” was not what it was against A&M, Penn State, Georgia … they didn’t seem timid (see Faison and Carr comments), but the lines seemed … “off?”

 

[IrishTusker]

Who knows what would happen in the playoffs, who we'd play, etc. Though at 10-2 we definitely don't host a first round game, which sure increases the odds of getting bounced.
I worry that at 10-2 we'd lack marquee wins, and depending how other teams break we could be left on the wrong side of the bubble. Best thing for us is if Miami looks that stout all season.

Didn't NIU lose the week after they beat us? All that matters is we win out. You don't get credit for losing just because you lost to a good team.

 

[Dale]

I think the Noles will win by two scores. Anyone that can pressure Beck will give them fits.
That's what is grating on me. We lost to another B+ grade ACC team.

Okay yeah FSU is just a juggernaut again lol

 

[NorthDakota]

Okay yeah FSU is just a juggernaut again lol

Idk if they are a juggernaut but they are usually better than Miami

 

[Rocketman84]

We also played the worst of the four winning teams.

FSU is the worst

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah the hurdling last night was freakish as usual, but if felt like a weird "memey" version of his running style. He had what, 5 hurdles in all of last year? (1 Northern Illinois, 1 Army, 1 USC, 2 Penn State?) Last night it felt like he was looking to go airborne at every opportunity to show off his calling card. I can't get too mad at it because it seems to be effective at getting another yard or so, but I do think it's playing with fire from an injury perspective.

I once coached a kid who went from being a starter to having his minutes reduced because someone came back from injury and started outplaying him. Then every time he got on the field and touched the ball he tried to make a hero play. That's what watching Love reminded me of last night.

1. No script to feed him touches early.
2. Offensive line playing terrible.
3. Playing from behind and trying to "make something happen"

I imagine there is a lot of teeth gnashing behind the scenes today with Denbrock and Rudolph. They have two weeks to get it straight.

 

[Rocketman84]

Not that I think we are any serious contender but it’s wild that the odds on favorite is only +550.

Odd that's it's that high after watching the games this past week. Top teams OLs looked in disarray and full of miscommunication.

 

[NorthDakota]

I once coached a kid who went from being a starter to having his minutes reduced because someone came back from injury and started outplaying him. Then every time he got on the field and touched the ball he tried to make a hero play. That's what watching Love reminded me of last night.

1. No script to feed him touches early.
2. Offensive line playing terrible.
3. Playing from behind and trying to "make something happen"

I imagine there is a lot of teeth gnashing behind the scenes today with Denbrock and Rudolph. They have two weeks to get it straight.

Yeah I think it would go a long way having a plan to get him carries early on. Saw this last year too where he was absolutely pressing to make something happen

 

[Rocketman84]

So which one is it, the playcalling should have RTDB with Love, or the OL was horrendous? Because the fanbase seems to be taking both positions, which doesnt really add up IMO.

I think the OL was mediocre, and Miami's Bain is a 1st round draft pick.

Well pass blocking and run blocking are two totally different skill sets and techniques, and he's referring to the pas blocking grades.

 

[DONTH8]

It felt like Freeman and the offensive staff came into the game nervous and unsure. The entire game plan seemed built around protecting an inexperienced QB they didn’t trust to handle the stage. That tentativeness showed in the team’s energy from the opening snap and lingered throughout most of the game.

Last season, we played with confidence because we knew who we were and believed our roster was good enough. This time, we looked like a team uncertain of its identity, and that lack of belief translated into the way we played.

By the end of the game, the sad reality was that I trusted Carr more than any other position group to step up and make a play for us. Which makes me wonder what the heck our identity will be.

And as a side note—I really wish it hadn’t been raining on that first drive. I think Carr hits Love on that rollout to the left for a first down, and that would’ve been a huge early spark to open things up offensively as well as confidence levels. Instead, the ball slipped coming out of his hand it seemed. That could’ve easily led to points and changed the tone of the game right from the start.

 

[Rocketman84]

I once coached a kid who went from being a starter to having his minutes reduced because someone came back from injury and started outplaying him. Then every time he got on the field and touched the ball he tried to make a hero play. That's what watching Love reminded me of last night.

1. No script to feed him touches early.
2. Offensive line playing terrible.
3. Playing from behind and trying to "make something happen"

I imagine there is a lot of teeth gnashing behind the scenes today with Denbrock and Rudolph. They have two weeks to get it straight.

At this point it's become a habit in all the big games and it's alarming. How hard is it to give an AA RB carries? 20 carries in the Playoffs and 4 carries in the Championship game! Never seen a situation in Football where the biggest obstacle for an AA RB is his own staff. Running more designed runs for Carr than Love is unfathomable.