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Did you notice that one was from WAPO and another from the NYT? The majority of the mainstream media journalists are Dems and/or lean strongly to the left. It impacts their coverage of the news. A lot of us just want an unbiased, honest, accurate reporting of the news.

Yup, the WAPO article says the republicans are outnumbered 4 to 1 by dems.

Politico, another left leaning source reports that 73% of online publishing are located in liberal hotbeds like NY, Boston, DC, etc.. There's a nice graphic on newspaper locations as well showing clear shift to the left.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048

Pew via NYPost says that republicans are outnumbered 5 to 1. In the article, former CEO of NPR talks about how this disparity has led to groupthink..... Yes, the NY Post is right leaning, but the research is PEW, and the guy talking about the risk is NPR which is left leaning.

https://nypost.com/2017/10/21/the-other-half-of-america-that-the-liberal-media-doesnt-cover/


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For those who questioned the gallup, and needed a link... There a shit ton of articles out there on the Gallup study. The Gallup site has the unfiltered data. A quick google will get you everything in more...

Here's several visuals and links from Gallup's site.

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With republican reporters outnumbered 4 or 5 to one, it's no wonder that Dem trust in the media has remained higher. Pretty logical assumption. Also, the younger distrust more.

And while most think journalism is important to democracy, the largest group of folks think the media is doing a poor job of supporting it.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225470/media-seen-key-democracy-not-supporting.aspx

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The NYT story was like 30 years old. The WaPo story said 28 percent of surveyed journalists are registered Democrats, and a majority are independents. Those were the first words of the story.

Either way, journalists are not monks. They have personal beliefs. The good ones - and there are many - know how to be professional and deliver the honest, accurate reporting you’re talking about. And even if they are Democrats with a capital D, that does not make them “enemies of the people.”

Being Dems with a capital D doesn't make them enemies of the people. Their behavior and dishonest presentation of the news in order to further an agenda makes them enemies of the people. The People granted them a lot of rights and protections so that they could more effectively do their job and be the eyes, ears, and voice of the rest of us, and they've betrayed that responsibility. Stop slanting every story. Stop tossing softball questions to politicians you like. Stop feeding them the questions before debates. Search for corruption on both sides equally. Stop being a cheerleader for one side. Stop spinning everything negatively for one side and good for the other. Stop being propaganda departments for either side. That goes for ALL the news media whether they lean left or right. Do your damn job and be honest purveyors of information. Then we'll stop considering them ratings whores and enemies of the people.
 

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Being Dems with a capital D doesn't make them enemies of the people. Their behavior and dishonest presentation of the news in order to further an agenda makes them enemies of the people. The People granted them a lot of rights and protections so that they could more effectively do their job and be the eyes, ears, and voice of the rest of us, and they've betrayed that responsibility. Stop slanting every story. Stop tossing softball questions to politicians you like. Stop feeding them the questions before debates. Search for corruption on both sides equally. Stop being a cheerleader for one side. Stop spinning everything negatively for one side and good for the other. Stop being propaganda departments for either side. That goes for ALL the news media whether they lean left or right. Do your damn job and be honest purveyors of information. Then we'll stop considering them ratings whores and enemies of the people.

I don't know, man. Maybe be a smarter consumer of news. It requires a little critical thinking, but it's not that hard. Most of the mainstream, high-quality news outlets in this country (by which I mean the news pages of the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, NPR, broadcast networks, probably your local newspaper, etc) do all the things you're talking about. Every day.

If you want to look for political bias on the other side of the political spectrum, you can certainly find it. If you want viewpoints that reinforce your own, you know where to find those too. But lumping the big bad "media" under one wide umbrella and assigning all of them the qualities you don't like about, say, MSNBC or Huffington Post (or Fox News or Breitbart), is kind of dishonest. It's the sort of thing a politician might do if he's looking to score cheap points with his base.
 

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I don't know, man. Maybe be a smarter consumer of news. It requires a little critical thinking, but it's not that hard. Most of the mainstream, high-quality news outlets in this country (by which I mean the news pages of the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, NPR, broadcast networks, probably your local newspaper, etc) do all the things you're talking about. Every day.

If you want to look for political bias on the other side of the political spectrum, you can certainly find it. If you want viewpoints that reinforce your own, you know where to find those too. But lumping the big bad "media" under one wide umbrella and assigning all of them the qualities you don't like about, say, MSNBC or Huffington Post (or Fox News or Breitbart), is kind of dishonest. It's the sort of thing a politician might do if he's looking to score cheap points with his base.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I would add that the terms "left-leaning" and "right-leaning" translate into what we think of as the middle of a political spectrum. But some use either (mostly the left-leaning term) to generalize and politicize someone's viewpoint. To imply causation with malicious or manipulative intent between that and articles that inform the public is quite questionable. Without any doubt, that message is meant to polarize, antagonize, and impact the subjects of the MSM.

No other Republican Presidential candidate and no other Republican member of Congress have termed the press "enemies of the people". These attacks summon up the ghosts of McCarthyism. We need to value and protect freedom of the press and all our freedoms under the First Amendment to protect ourselves from any excesses of government and the powerful who would erect obstacles to knowing their actions.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I would add that the terms "left-leaning" and "right-leaning" translate into what we think of as the middle of a political spectrum. But some use either (mostly the left-leaning term) to generalize and politicize someone's viewpoint. To imply causation with malicious or manipulative intent between that and articles that inform the public is quite questionable. Without any doubt, that message is meant to polarize, antagonize, and impact the subjects of the MSM.

No other Republican Presidential candidate and no other Republican member of Congress have termed the press "enemies of the people". These attacks summon up the ghosts of McCarthyism. We need to value and protect freedom of the press and all our freedoms under the First Amendment to protect ourselves from any excesses of government and the powerful who would erect obstacles to knowing their actions.

MSM includes MSNBC, Fox, CNN, etc.. all of them are polarizing, antagonizing, etc.. It appears you have zero problem with that in the name of free press.

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence (Wiki def). How many people on the left have made this accusation of Trump without proper regard for evidence? Is that OK because the press and politicians have the right to free speech and can say whatever they want?

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What would become known as the McCarthy era began before McCarthy's term in 1953. Following the First Red Scare, President Truman signed in 1947 an executive order to screen federal employees for association with organizations deemed "Totalitarian, Fascist, Communist or subversive" or advocating "to alter the form of Government of the United States by unconstitutional means."

So McCarthyism was a hunt to curb fascist, but aren't the left leaning media, and groups like Antifa doing everything they can to stop what they consider a fascist president? So isn't McCarthyism (anti fascist witch hunt) the opposite of what Trump is doing. Wouldn't trump be the fascist that is being hunted?

You ignore clear data that shows that one party is outnumbered 4 or 5 to one when it comes to journalistic messaging. You are not outraged when a member of the left bans media. You are completely OK with the clear imbalance of partisan reporting knowing that the make-up of the US is closer to 50/50 split in party.

Is it just because you like the imbalance and agree with the imbalanced messaging?
 

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I don't know, man. Maybe be a smarter consumer of news. It requires a little critical thinking, but it's not that hard. Most of the mainstream, high-quality news outlets in this country (by which I mean the news pages of the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, NPR, broadcast networks, probably your local newspaper, etc) do all the things you're talking about. Every day.

If you want to look for political bias on the other side of the political spectrum, you can certainly find it. If you want viewpoints that reinforce your own, you know where to find those too. But lumping the big bad "media" under one wide umbrella and assigning all of them the qualities you don't like about, say, MSNBC or Huffington Post (or Fox News or Breitbart), is kind of dishonest. It's the sort of thing a politician might do if he's looking to score cheap points with his base.

I'm aware that most of them do it. That's the point. That's the problem. I don't care if it's Fox, CNN, WAPO, or anyone else. They aren't presenting factual, honest news to the public. They're spewing extraordinarily biased, dishonest propaganda. Their goal isn't to inform the public. It's to brainwash them. It's one thing to be a smarter consumer of news, but let's be honest here: half the population has a below average IQ and schools no longer teach critical thinking. These people are easily led and if you beat them over the head with a good story, no matter how inaccurate and dishonest it is, they buy it.


Totalitarian states such as NK, Nazi Germany, and the USSR made sure they controlled the media. That wasn't so much to avoid any criticism as it was to control the narrative and shape public opinion. Preach any narrative hard enough and long enough, and tell your listeners what they want to hear, and you own them.


I don't want a one-sided news media, not even if it favors my side, any more than I want an officiating crew that openly pulls for and favors one team over the other. I want an honest, unbiased news media that informs and enlightens us instead of trying to brainwash us.
 

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I'm aware that most of them do it. That's the point. That's the problem. I don't care if it's Fox, CNN, WAPO, or anyone else. They aren't presenting factual, honest news to the public. They're spewing extraordinarily biased, dishonest propaganda. Their goal isn't to inform the public. It's to brainwash them. It's one thing to be a smarter consumer of news, but let's be honest here: half the population has a below average IQ and schools no longer teach critical thinking. These people are easily led and if you beat them over the head with a good story, no matter how inaccurate and dishonest it is, they buy it.

For such an astute media critic, you sure have lousy reading comprehension.

The mainstream press certainly has its flaws. Perhaps the biggest is the too easy blurring of news and opinion pieces that gives ammunition to critics who want to see bias, thus undermining the credibility of their own reporters.

But by and large, in my opinion, the reporters and editors of major news outlets like the ones I listed are doing a pretty damn good job these days of reporting facts and telling true stories in the face of a White House (and, to some degree, its critics on the Left) that will attack anything it doesn't want to be told as "Fake News" and the people who tell is "the opposition party" and "enemies of the people."

You obviously see it differently. Good luck.
 

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We aren’t the ‘enemy’ when covering news (Bismark Tribune)

The Bismarck Tribune prides itself on local news coverage. We strive on a daily basis to publish a paper dominated by news from Bismarck-Mandan and across the state. We don’t always succeed to the extent we want, but it remains our goal.

Tribune readers don’t always agree with our choices, but we know when a story grabs the interest of a lot of readers. We know because we are able to track the number of readers looking at each story online. There’s no doubt there was great involvement in the Watford City tornado stories, the unfolding tragedy of Olivia Lone Bear and high Missouri River levels.

These are what we refer to as breaking news stories, but Tribune staffers spend a lot of time covering more routine stories involving city commissions, school events and state government. We also take time to profile successful business people like EarthKind CEO Kari Warberg-Block or we look back on 100 years of vehicle sales by Pfeifle Chevrolet-Buick in Wishek. When it’s hot we report on soaring temperatures and the impact.

The Tribune uses considerable space to present national-world news, mostly provided by the Associated Press.

Voters showed their appreciation in the June primary when they again approved the Tribune as the official paper of Burleigh County.

Why are we taking time to toot our own horn on the editorial page? Because newspapers are under attack, led by President Donald Trump, who has accused our profession of promoting fake news. So this week newspapers across the nation are using their editorial pages to defend journalism. Newspapers large and small are delivering the same message: We are here to serve you, not manipulate you. There are 89 newspapers in the state and if you have a chance to read a number of them you’ll notice the smallest ones live off what’s happening in the community. If a student does well they report it, if someone grows the biggest pumpkin they report it, and the hometown teams are always covered.

Bigger papers are able to provide expanded coverage of events in their communities and across the state. Sometimes we delve into issues that result in criticism.

During the Dakota Access Pipeline protests the Tribune encountered harsh criticism from all sides. It wasn’t unusual for a story to be attacked by both sides as unfair, and reporters and photographers took a lot of verbal abuse.

While most of Trump’s attacks are directed at the largest newspapers and TV networks, his message filters down to smaller communities. Some North Dakota candidates and officials have begun to parrot the “fake news” chant. When Trump visited Fargo on June 27 he taunted the media seven times during his address. He’s gone so far as to call reporters “horrible, horrendous people.”

There’s no way you can describe reporters that way. Newspapers have worked hard to train young journalists who are objective and fair. Many reporters and editors start their careers at small papers and move to larger publications. Tribune reporters, photographers and editors over the years have been hired by the Associated Press, Wall Street Journal, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Miami Herald and others. They didn’t lose their objectivity along the way.

We don’t know why Trump considers newspapers and other media the “enemy of the people,” but the Tribune Editorial Board believes he’s wrong. This editorial isn’t an attack on Trump’s policies; we agree with some and disagree with others. We think the atmosphere of distrust he’s creating toward newspapers and other media needs to end. There’s always a certain amount of conflict between newspapers and government and that benefits the public. There shouldn’t be all-out war.

Over the years when big stories occurred -- the oil boom, the floods of 2011 and the pipeline protests -- the Tribune was there. There was nothing fake about our coverage then and there isn’t anything fake about our reporting now. That’s true of media across the nation and the public deserves to know it.
 
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One of the ones you point out as doing it the right way was WaPo, correct?

Does this article present it being the right way?
‘I’m not going there’: As Trump hurls racial invective, most Republicans stay silent

Trump has called a number of people dog or like a dog and it has more often been white people both men and women. However, this article makes it seem he only uses it for black people.

FYI, do I think he should use the term on anyone? No. I wish he policed his language and attitude for a better presentation of himself. But we don't get what we want in a candidate generally.
 

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So the Molly Tibbett's is absolutely a top 5 story of the day.....

CNN gives it a little line of text. All the big headlines, all anti-Trump.
At least they gave it text. MSNBC doesn't even mention it on their front page at all.

But hey, trust thy media....
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Manafort guilty on 8 counts of fraud, Cohen reaches plea deal with federal prosecutors & implicates Trump, Rep. Duncan Hunter indicted by the Department of Justice, Christopher Steele libel case thrown out in DC court, Microsoft found new evidence of Russian election hacking, Flynn sentencing delayed due to possible Russia investigation cooperation, and we're still waiting for Guiliani to speak tonight, I believe.

Tough day for most places to fit in a local murder story.
 

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Manafort guilty on 8 counts of fraud, Cohen reaches plea deal with federal prosecutors & implicates Trump, Rep. Duncan Hunter indicted by the Department of Justice, Christopher Steele libel case thrown out in DC court, Microsoft found new evidence of Russian election hacking, Flynn sentencing delayed due to possible Russia investigation cooperation, and we're still waiting for Guiliani to speak tonight, I believe.

Tough day for most places to fit in a local murder story.

Manafort guilty of zero to do with Russian collusion by Russian collusion special counsel
Cohen indicted of zero to do with Russian collusion by Russian collusion special counsel
Duncan Hunter.... who cares. Just another politician scumbag... only newsworthy because he's a GOP Cali guy. Hope he burns. More coverage on this than the spy who worked for a PROMINENT dem leader lol
Microsoft finds Russia targeted Senate and Conservative thinktanks
Flynn, another delay..... meh

but let's hide the news that EVERYONE has covered every day UNTIL it's found that an illegal immigrant did the deed.
 
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Manafort guilty of zero to do with Russian collusion by Russian collusion special counsel
Cohen indicted of zero to do with Russian collusion by Russian collusion special counsel
Duncan Hunter.... who cares. Just another politician scumbag... only newsworthy because he's a GOP Cali guy. Hope he burns. More coverage on this than the spy who worked for a PROMINENT dem leader lol
Microsoft finds Russia targeted Senate and Conservative thinktanks
Flynn, another delay..... meh

but let's hide the news that EVERYONE has covered every day UNTIL it's found that an illegal immigrant did the deed.

Well I'm shocked today was a big 'meh' for you and you're carrying Fox News' water again.
 

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For such an astute media critic, you sure have lousy reading comprehension.

The mainstream press certainly has its flaws. Perhaps the biggest is the too easy blurring of news and opinion pieces that gives ammunition to critics who want to see bias, thus undermining the credibility of their own reporters.

But by and large, in my opinion, the reporters and editors of major news outlets like the ones I listed are doing a pretty damn good job these days of reporting facts and telling true stories in the face of a White House (and, to some degree, its critics on the Left) that will attack anything it doesn't want to be told as "Fake News" and the people who tell is "the opposition party" and "enemies of the people."

You obviously see it differently. Good luck.

You could more easily convince me of the tooth fairy. I can give you countless indisputably true facts, but still present them in a totally dishonest way. If I name my wife's 10 worst traits and my own 10 best and present that as a fair assessment of our marriage, is it an honest representation? All 10 things I name about each of us are 100% true, but it's a cherry picked, slanted presentation that gives a totally false impression. What if I showed USC's 10 best plays from the ND/USC game and ND's worst? No doubt those plays are each 100 factual. Would it be honest coverage of that game, though? That's what your news heroes do on a regular basis.


For example, we have the story of Mollie Tibbets, the missing Iowa student, whose body was found earlier today. MSNBC and CNN had given a reasonable amount of coverage to it. Yet when it was discovered today that an illegal alien from Mexico had confessed, hardly a peep. Nowhere near as much coverage as they'd given BEFORE that little fact came out. Why? Doesn't fit their political agenda. Guess what? They're not supposed to HAVE a political agenda. They're supposed to report the facts in an unbiased way. Do you want an informed public or a brainwashed one?

By and large, most editors, publishers, and reporters at the national level spin, lie, cherry pick the facts they report, and show extreme bias in the stories they choose to cover or not (and in how they cover them). They're exactly what I've described: willfully dishonest, biased, propagandists pushing an agenda instead of serving The People by being honest purveyors of information. A lot of us would just like an honest news media.
 

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Well I'm shocked today was a big 'meh' for you and you're carrying Fox News' water again.

So if you are pointing out the Flynn meh.... how long has it been? how many "delays"

If you think my meh was meant for the whole thing, which it wasn't, but actually the whole thing is pretty meh......, so tell me again how close is Mueller investigation is, to actually anything solid about actual Russian collusion?

I don't give a shit about Fox, unless you want to start saying how fair CNN and MSNBC are.... Fox is just another partisan new source. Another reason why everyone holds the media in low esteem.

ABC, CBS, and NBC all have Molly on the front page. Every local (for those that say that locals are more fair) I've seen has Molly on the front page.
 

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Actually, I know a few. My sister was a news producer for CBS for more than a decade. She finally quit, went back to grad school, and changed careers over the very things many of us complain about regarding the news media: willful dishonesty, ratings over integrity, spewing propaganda instead of reporting the news, and slanting every story or choosing which stories to report or not according to their agenda. I have another friend who left the news and went into sports journalism for the same reasons.


As YJ pointed out in the Gallup Poll he referred to, our news media was once respected and trusted. No longer. They love the right they have to be a free press, but have turned their backs on the responsibility that comes with that. We all want a free press. We also want one that's fair, unbiased, and honest in how and what they present to us.


Imagine how you'd feel if ND was playing USC and all but one of the officials on the field and in the replay booth were avid USC fans, USC grads, or had sons who played for USC... and they were calling every ticky-tack foul on ND and letting USC get away with murder. That's how a lot of us feel about the media today. We don't want the news media to call it all our way. We want them to be honest, fair and unbiased, and just report the news accurately. That they don't is why they're under attack, being called out, and are so reviled.

Stopped reading there. It was and It's a damn shame. They were respected and they lied continuously. We Americans of the middle and lower class just had no way of believing or ordering anything else. They were the only way to get news about anything. Can you Imagine a life like that now?
 

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Stopped reading there. It was and It's a damn shame. They were respected and they lied continuously. We Americans of the middle and lower class just had no way of believing or ordering anything else. They were the only way to get news about anything. Can you Imagine a life like that now?

We don't have many options these days. Reuters is about the best (IMO) but they can even slant. They are more INTL and WH centric obviously, but they are about the least biased out there.

The journalist I hold in high regard are the guys out there on the INTL front who don't give two shits about politics. They are in the shit, truly risking themselves to bring stories to press. Most (not all) of the guys stateside are IPAD using, Starbucks drinking, AIRBNBers..... only looking for a headline that will generate clicks from their partisan employer.
 

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A case so big the first mention it of it on Irish Envy was Tuesday, August 21, 2018.

what was the last time a missing person's case had it's own thread?
CNN and MSNBC have had coverage daily on this one. They just chose to forget about it once an illegal was found to have done it. If it was a white guy with a gun, you can bet they would have it front page.
 

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A case so big the first mention it of it on Irish Envy was Tuesday, August 21, 2018.

It's been all over the national news for more than a month. Just about every major news outlet in the country has been covering it. Strangely, some have gone rather quiet about it on the day the murderer confessed and led police to her body. I wonder why.
 

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what was the last time a missing person's case had it's own thread?
CNN and MSNBC have had coverage daily on this one. They just chose to forget about it once an illegal was found to have done it. If it was a white guy with a gun, you can bet they would have it front page.

Was the gun fully semi-automatic??????? That's the real story.
 

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It's been all over the national news for more than a month. Just about every major news outlet in the country has been covering it. Strangely, some have gone rather quiet about it on the day the murderer confessed and led police to her body. I wonder why.

It's almost like larger more important news trumped that story today.

This is a classic example of those whining about media bias actually being the ones who are even more biased themselves.
 

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It's almost like larger more important news trumped that story today.

This is a classic example of those whining about media bias actually being the ones who are even more biased themselves.

MSNBC and CNN have had this front and center. They milk the parents willingness to go for an interview. It's been a top story even with everything going on. Now it has ZERO front page coverage on MSNBC.. come on Rocket. There are plenty of MSNBC headlines that are less than this one. They have like 3 or 4 Cohen stories.. Do they really need that many? Omarosa's critique of Cohen... LOL... sure, that was really needed news.
 

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MSNBC and CNN have had this front and center. They milk the parents willingness to go for an interview. It's been a top story even with everything going on. Now it has ZERO front page coverage on MSNBC.. come on Rocket. There are plenty of MSNBC headlines that are less than this one. They have like 3 or 4 Cohen stories.. Do they really need that many? Omarosa's critique of Cohen... LOL... sure, that was really needed news.

I see it on MSNBC's front page and it's displayed fairly prominently on CNN's front page, too. Should we quibble that the story should be 6th instead of 9th in today's pecking order?

You've literally outlined how the media has been doing their job properly covering the story, it got enormously washed over by maybe the busiest news day of the Trump Presidency, and yet Fox News still has the murder as the top story....not a peep from you about bias?
 

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I see it on MSNBC's front page and it's displayed fairly prominently on CNN's front page, too. Should we quibble that the story should be 6th instead of 9th in today's pecking order?

You've literally outlined how the media has been doing their job properly covering the story, it got enormously washed over by maybe the busiest news day of the Trump Presidency, and yet Fox News still has the murder as the top story....not a peep from you about bias?

Cnn finally put a pic up after 11pm. With zero mention of the illegal issue in the headline as you scroll down.... I don't see it on MSNBC. I do see a new article on the front page... from Elizabeth Warren criticizing Trump though... You must have a different MSNBC than I do.
 
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