Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

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Has there ever been a better representative of the university than Freeman in the last 30 years? I’m not talking just sports. Tough to stack up against Father Ted but who else?
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I sure hope Freeman can figure out coaching. He is interviewing for the AD job if he can. Dude is the greatest rep any school can have.

 
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There ain’t another guy or coach in the country I’d rather have than Freeman leading this team he gets it. Now if the administration can get their heads out of their A** and get on an even playing field with NIL and give some leeway with admissions it will be a game changer

I agree 👍
 

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There ain’t another guy or coach in the country I’d rather have than Freeman leading this team he gets it. Now if the administration can get their heads out of their A** and get on an even playing field with NIL and give some leeway with admissions it will be a game changer
It’s one thing to get it(agree) another to know how to be an elite coach. Not there yet. He’s been at ND for two years now and I’m underwhelmed by his coaching ability. This is a huge year because most of the pieces are there to make a run.
 

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It’s one thing to get it(agree) another to know how to be an elite coach. Not there yet. He’s been at ND for two years now and I’m underwhelmed by his coaching ability. This is a huge year because most of the pieces are there to make a run.
Eh. We shall see. The thing that has impressed me most about Freeman is how last year - despite multiple opportunities to do so - the team never gave up and packed it in on what must have been a disappointing season. That’s a credit to his ability as a coach and a leader, and in this sport probably more important than any X’s and O’s stuff.
 

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Eh. We shall see. The thing that has impressed me most about Freeman is how last year - despite multiple opportunities to do so - the team never gave up and packed it in on what must have been a disappointing season. That’s a credit to his ability as a coach and a leader, and in this sport probably more important than any X’s and O’s stuff.
I don’t think it’s a credit to his coaching, but instead like you mention a credit to his leadership. He needs to become a great head coach, a big part of that is his staff. Golden was so so last year, Parker tbd, a lot on Washington this year. Dline clearly regressed last year under him.

I think freeman is a great leader and I love that he seems to have minimal ego. Just not sold on his actual Xs and Os and development.
 

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I don’t think it’s a credit to his coaching, but instead like you mention a credit to his leadership. He needs to become a great head coach, a big part of that is his staff. Golden was so so last year, Parker tbd, a lot on Washington this year. Dline clearly regressed last year under him.

I think freeman is a great leader and I love that he seems to have minimal ego. Just not sold on his actual Xs and Os and development.
You’re a little too attached to the semantics game here in regards to leadership. Being a great leader is a HUGE part of being a great coach. The Xs and Os were not absent. Inexperience was a factor. It was his first season as a head coach. Evaluate him more on the Xs and Os after next year. If we are in the same place then, let’s talk.
 

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You’re a little too attached to the semantics game here in regards to leadership. Being a great leader is a HUGE part of being a great coach. The Xs and Os were not absent. Inexperience was a factor. It was his first season as a head coach. Evaluate him more on the Xs and Os after next year. If we are in the same place then, let’s talk.
X’s and O’s of dropping foskey and ademilola in coverage in 21 a lot, and that happened again last year … inexcusable poor scheme with our players
 

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Interesting considering it is commonly run at the highest level of football.
Nfls top pass rushers rarely drop into coverage, especially on obvious pass rushing situations.

I could get on board if there was any deception. Starting foskey 10 yards off the Los, NEVER worked. Didn’t fool anyone.
 
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Nfls top pass rushers rarely drop into coverage, especially on obvious pass rushing situations.
but they do, and that is the point. You are acting like our coaches just constantly drop out top pass rushers into coverage on obvious get after the Qb pass rush situations and that is 100% not the case. There are schematic advantages to drop a DE into coverage in certain passing situations, to put someone in a passing lane on a quick slant. Screen or quick out for a slot or Te connected to the line. It is done at every level of football to disrupt these otherwise difficult to defend passing situations And create confusion with pressure from different places. You are letting your preconceived perceptions of how often and in what situations we do this cloud the reality. It might not be an every series situation in the NFL, but it is part or every NFL defensive playbook to a similar degree that it is part of ours.
 
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Nfls top pass rushers rarely drop into coverage, especially on obvious pass rushing situations.

I could get on board if there was any deception. Starting foskey 10 yards off the Los, NEVER worked. Didn’t fool anyone.
To take this a step further are you trying to convince anyone on this board that zone blitzes are not a regular in NFL playbooks?
 

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To take this a step further are you trying to convince anyone on this board that zone blitzes are not a regular in NFL playbooks?
I think you don’t understand zone blitz vs having the de start 5-10 yards off los. Zone blitz has deception and confusion. Freeman didn’t have that in 21 or 22. To not abandon that scheme after the FSU game was disappointing to say the least. It’s also, Part of the reason why our lbs almost never get home in a blitz and we did bad on third and long situations. I really don’t want to Telegraph that our DEs will be in coverage. Our D for two years has been statistically average for power 5, after being good for the prior 4 years

Are you trying to tell anyone on this board freeman has done a great job coaching?
 

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I think you don’t understand zone blitz vs having the de start 5-10 yards off los. Zone blitz has deception and confusion. Freeman didn’t have that in 21 or 22. To not abandon that scheme after the FSU game was disappointing to say the least. It’s also, Part of the reason why our lbs almost never get home in a blitz and we did bad on third and long situations. I really don’t want to Telegraph that our DEs will be in coverage. Our D for two years has been statistically average for power 5, after being good for the prior 4 years

Are you trying to tell anyone on this board freeman has done a great job coaching?
This is just not true.

Over the last six years the overall defensive rankings for ND have been fairly consistent. In fact the two worst seasons for overall defensive stats came in 2018 and 2019.

 

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This is just not true.

Over the last six years the overall defensive rankings for ND have been fairly consistent. In fact the two worst seasons for overall defensive stats came in 2018 and 2019.

Not only is his argument untrue but I think while it may not have been Nick Saban great or even as good as it possibly could have been, no reasonable person can MF didnt do a “good” job coaching this past year All things considered.
I’d also like to know where I can find game film that showed Foskey lining up anywhere close to 10 yards off the LOS. The whole argument is stupid.
 

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This is just not true.

Over the last six years the overall defensive rankings for ND have been fairly consistent. In fact the two worst seasons for overall defensive stats came in 2018 and 2019.

At risk of oversimplifying matters, I just looked up defensive points allowed per game. This is how we fared:

2017: 21.5 PPG (#31 in the country)
2018: 18.2 (#13)
2019: 17.9 (#12)
2020: 19.7 (#14)
2021: 19.7 (#15)
2022: 23 (#39)


So, no meaningful difference the Lea years and Freeman's year as DC. Yes a bit of a dropoff in 2022, but still above average. And I wonder how much of that could be attributed to our often-inept offense putting the D in tough spots. Perhaps some advanced stat-head know which dataset accounts for offensive incompetence.

Either way, I've never thought of Freeman as some Xs and Os genius, so much as a leader of men. Both are important to coaching, but a head coach can hire the Xs and Os part. He can't hire the leadership. I will say I'm not entirely sold on Golden. But on the latter front, Freeman is doing just fine.
 

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At risk of oversimplifying matters, I just looked up defensive points allowed per game. This is how we fared:

2017: 21.5 PPG (#31 in the country)
2018: 18.2 (#13)
2019: 17.9 (#12)
2020: 19.7 (#14)
2021: 19.7 (#15)
2022: 23 (#39)


So, no meaningful difference the Lea years and Freeman's year as DC. Yes a bit of a dropoff in 2022, but still above average. And I wonder how much of that could be attributed to our often-inept offense putting the D in tough spots. Perhaps some advanced stat-head know which dataset accounts for offensive incompetence.

Either way, I've never thought of Freeman as some Xs and Os genius, so much as a leader of men. Both are important to coaching, but a head coach can hire the Xs and Os part. He can't hire the leadership. I will say I'm not entirely sold on Golden. But on the latter front, Freeman is doing just fine.
Any chance if you have the time can you put in SOS? I'm pretty sure the last 2 years our SOS has been very easy, especially 2021 and why our PPG were down that year despite all other defensive efficiency metrics not down. It's why in 21 offenses with a pulse did well against us but we dominated some of the worst offenses in football.
 

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Any chance if you have the time can you put in SOS? I'm pretty sure the last 2 years our SOS has been very easy, especially 2021 and why our PPG were down that year despite all other defensive efficiency metrics not down. It's why in 21 offenses with a pulse did well against us but we dominated some of the worst offenses in football.
Any chance you could do some goddamned research before making assertive claims on this message board?
 

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Not only is his argument untrue but I think while it may not have been Nick Saban great or even as good as it possibly could have been, no reasonable person can MF didnt do a “good” job coaching this past year All things considered.
I’d also like to know where I can find game film that showed Foskey lining up anywhere close to 10 yards off the LOS. The whole argument is stupid.


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Just took a few minutes. You have to remember how much freeman played 3 down in that game and most of 21, we did it not as much in 2022. The 3 down a lot of times had a DE dropped back as a LB. It flat out almost never worked and got gashed a ton especially vs teams with an athletic QB.
 

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I don’t have the time to do the research that proves me to be wrong about our DE usage in coverage, but can somebody please provide some numbers disproving it and I’ll continue to argue my point regardless? I’ll proceed to divert and deflect as needed to make sure I end up being correct about something, should it not be about my original point. Please and thank you!
 

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Red zone defense was the major flaw with last year's defense. Nothing more, nothing less. With even an "average" red zone defense the overall unit would've graded out very well. Agree on overall DL regression tho.
 

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Red zone defense was the major flaw with last year's defense. Nothing more, nothing less. With even an "average" red zone defense the overall unit would've graded out very well. Agree on overall DL regression tho.
Defense did an exceptional job at 3 and outs and did just as bad at red zone. I think first and last for those or close to it?

I'd add on 3rd and longs we'd give up enough yards to make 4th down a go, or allow teams to get in field goal range. Also add run D, especially late in games when we needed a stop.

It's a big year for the front 7. I'm really really curious to see if we're rolling out with Marist, Betrand, Kiser. All 3 struggled last year, betrand maybe was the only one that at times played well. They might be the right 3 to role out first series vs Navy, but I'm not sure they are the right 3 to beat Ohio State. Kollie, sneed, maybe Ziegler you'd have to think need to be pushing them.
 

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I don’t have the time to do the research that proves me to be wrong about our DE usage in coverage, but can somebody please provide some numbers disproving it and I’ll continue to argue my point regardless? I’ll proceed to divert and deflect as needed to make sure I end up being correct about something, should it not be about my original point. Please and thank you!
Apologies, i'm not on here enough, what's your opinion on our DE usage in coverage?
 

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5:58
18:04 -ademilola
18:31

Just took a few minutes. You have to remember how much freeman played 3 down in that game and most of 21, we did it not as much in 2022. The 3 down a lot of times had a DE dropped back as a LB. It flat out almost never worked and got gashed a ton especially vs teams with an athletic QB.

So youre arguing the scheme being stupid and ineffective by hanging your hat on an example of a play from 2 years ago where foskey started 4 (not 10 yds) off the ball, dropped right into the throwing lane for Travis’ first look which caused him to hold onto the ball, take a sack and nearly end up with a scoop and score.
Oh what a world we live in.
 
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