Marcus Freeman named Dick Corbett Head Football Coach

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CTIDANDREW said:
15 years of proof it isn't the powerhouse year in and year out program it was under Urban when he had all the financial and recruiting advantages that aren't realistic anymore in the current format of college football landscape.
Freeman is twice the coach / program builder of the (4) on this list, but it isn't the guaranteed success that thier fans think it is.
I personally believe Freeman knows this, and won't entertain leaving ND for Florida.

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In terms of ability, you may be right about Freeman relative to the others, but if we're rating pre-Florida program-building resumes, I'd go with:
1) Mullen
2) Napier
3) McElwain
4) Freeman
5) Muschamp (n/a)
 
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It feels like Day will be at Ohio State for awhile now. He has them rolling. He's not really NFL material. And Michigan's so mediocre he might even beat them this year.

So yeah I think Freeman can win a title at Notre Dame before Ohio State comes calling (and if he did that, why leave?). As for the NFL, I dunno. Maybe? But he's really not an Xs and Os guy and the leader-of-men stuff doesn't get you as far on Sundays.

That all is what I'll tell myself all the way through crazy coach carousel season until the last good job is filled.
 
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SportsingHard said:
In terms of ability, you may be right about Freeman relative to the others, but if we're rating pre-Florida program-building resumes, I'd go with:
1) Mullen
2) Napier
3) McElwain
4) Freeman
5) Muschamp (n/a)
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Jim McElwain’s (3) years at Colorado State where he won double digit games once, and where he was 22-16 overall in (3) years being more impressive program building then what Marcus has pulled off these past few years is certainly a take.
Not one I could endorse.
 
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CTIDANDREW said:
Jim McElwain’s (3) years at Colorado State where he won double digit games once, and where he was 22-16 overall in (3) years being more impressive program building then what Marcus has pulled off these past few years is certainly a take.
Not one I could endorse.
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In the three season's prior to McE, CSU won 3, 3, and 3 games. Then he came in and won 4, 8, and 10 games. Again, I'm not claming he's a better coach than Freeman, but when it comes to objective program-buildind data, MF simply has not accomplished anything of that nature.
 
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SportsingHard said:
In terms of ability, you may be right about Freeman relative to the others, but if we're rating pre-Florida program-building resumes, I'd go with:
1) Mullen
2) Napier
3) McElwain
4) Freeman
5) Muschamp (n/a)
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Jim McElwain got obliterated by any teams with a pulse. He also dropped a game to Air Force at his "peak".

Sun Belt Billy took advantage of a post-Drink App state team, and won (1) game over a ranked opponent.

Taking a program from good to great is much harder than taking a non-AAC G5 team to double digit wins and getting dicked anytime you play a P5 team.
 
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arndtjc said:
Still trying to figure out where this narrative comes from??? Considering the only reason he was at Notre Dame in the first place was because of HOW GOOD HIS Xs AND Os AS A DC WERE
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Was that the reason? Freeman at Cincy was a phenomenal recruiter, developer and leader - all of which are at least as important as scheme. His talent for coaching college football players was obvious and overall he was the best DC on the market that offseason. But I don't know that he was ever really seen as some schematic genius (my first real impression of watching a Marcus Freeman-coached team was yelling at my TV for Cincy to rush more than three damn guys as Georgia marched down the field to beat them in the 2020 Peach Bowl). How would you rank his 2021 Notre Dame defense compared with those led by Al Golden, Clark Lea or Mike Elko?

Then you layer that on to the NFL, where recruiting and development are less important, scheme matters more, and offensive scheme matters more than defensive. His biggest appeal is the leader-of-men stuff.
 
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SportsingHard said:
In the three season's prior to McE, CSU won 3, 3, and 3 games. Then he came in and won 4, 8, and 10 games. Again, I'm not claming he's a better coach than Freeman, but when it comes to objective program-buildind data, MF simply has not accomplished anything of that nature.
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Freeman could do what Jim McElwain did at CSU. McElwain could not do what Freeman has done at ND.
 
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stlnd01 said:
Was that the reason? Freeman at Cincy was a phenomenal recruiter, developer and leader - all of which are at least as important as scheme. His talent for coaching college football players was obvious and overall he was the best DC on the market that offseason. But I don't know that he was ever really seen as some schematic genius (my first real impression of watching a Marcus Freeman-coached team was yelling at my TV for Cincy to rush more than three damn guys as Georgia marched down the field to beat them in the 2020 Peach Bowl). How would you rank his 2021 Notre Dame defense compared with those led by Al Golden, Clark Lea or Mike Elko?

Then you layer that on to the NFL, where recruiting and development are less important, scheme matters more, and offensive scheme matters more than defensive. His biggest appeal is the leader-of-men stuff.
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You don’t become the most sought after defensive coordinator in the country because you’re a rah rah leader of men. You become the most sought after DC because you know how to call a defense.

I’m not disagreeing with your other points, but saying Freeman “isn’t really an xs and os guy” is just about the 2nd silliest thing I’ve heard this week, the first being Florida asking if he’d be interested in taking their job
 
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I'm much more worried about Day leaving for the NFL opening up OSU than I am Freeman getting hired directly to the NFL.

The only thing that gives me much worry about the NFL is the recent success of "culture" coaches like Campbell. Freeman fits that mold and the NFL is a copycat league.
 
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arndtjc said:
Still trying to figure out where this narrative comes from??? Considering the only reason he was at Notre Dame in the first place was because of HOW GOOD HIS Xs AND Os AS A DC WERE
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Maybe due to ACT score?
 
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greyhammer90 said:
I'm much more worried about Day leaving for the NFL opening up OSU than I am Freeman getting hired directly to the NFL.

The only thing that gives me much worry about the NFL is the recent success of "culture" coaches like Campbell. Freeman fits that mold and the NFL is a copycat league.
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I don't disagree, but Campbell is for sure an anomaly there. Not to say some other team or teams wouldn't want to try to replicate it, but I think former NFL HCs and current NFL coordinators will still take precedent.
 
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I don't think it's very likely Day leaves, either. Hartline leaving might hurt OSU, though. I have to assume at some point he wants a HC job.
 
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IrishTusker said:
I don't think it's very likely Day leaves, either. Hartline leaving might hurt OSU, though. I have to assume at some point he wants a HC job.
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Hartline is one of the names I've heard for the FSU job.

No idea how serious that is tho.
 
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dublinirish said:
feel like an NFL locker room would hate someone like Day
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I hate him and I'm not an NFL locker room, but I see what you mean.

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I don't think it's very likely Day leaves, either. Hartline leaving might hurt OSU, though. I have to assume at some point he wants a HC job.
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I seriously doubt this, but I understand how beloved Coach Hartline is on this site for some reason. Ohio State Football has been moving along quite nicely this century other than a season here or there. Brian Hartline leaving their program is a blip on the radar when all is said and done. There would be guys knocking down the door for that job if and when he does.

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Hartline is one of the names I've heard for the FSU job.

No idea how serious that is tho.
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He has spent just about all of this life in the state of Ohio. I think he owns a couple of businesses in Columbus as well. Maybe he's looking to branch out a little bit. It would be interesting, and ultimately FSU is still a pretty good opportunity. He's known as recruiter, and you really need to dig in down in Florida if you're going to work those living rooms.

I'm in the minority I guess. Not really impressed or enamored with him.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
I seriously doubt this, but I understand how beloved Coach Hartline is on this site for some reason. Ohio State Football has been moving along quite nicely this century other than a season here or there. Brian Hartline leaving their program is a blip on the radar when all is said and done. There would be guys knocking down the door for that job if and when he does.
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He's a difference maker for them as a recruiter at WR, from what I've read. I don't follow that closely, though.
 
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All I know about Hartline is that he's essentially to WRs what Mickens is to CBs. For this reason alone I would like for him to fuck off from OSU.
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Nah. Let him stay there. If Day bolts they may have a succession plan in place like with Day/Meyer
 
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I recall Urban Meyer taking Ohio State to a national level with recruiting, something Jim Tressel didn't necessarily accelerate during his time as head coach, but they both won National Championships and a lot of games at Ohio State prior to Day and Hartline arriving from what I can recall but choose to forget more often than not.

I would be interested to see Hartline get a head coaching job at a P4 school. Mostly to see how he assembles his staff.
 
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