Manning better than Brady?

[irishog77]

Matty Mauk or Gunner Kiel?

 

[notredomer23]

Just for some stats to come in to play here:

Since 2001, Manning has 387 TDs to 160 interceptions.

Brady has 351 TDs and 130 interceptions.

Literally can't go wrong with either looking at these stats. If it wasn't for THE NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS this would not be a discussion. Brady would be the greatest quarterback ever.

 

[autry_denson]

Start by taking all of the best quarterbacks to play the game. Manning's on that list. Then consider how those qb's have led their respective teams in their pursuit of the ultimate prize in team sports, a championship. There are a few guys who remain on the list - Montana, Brady, Elway, Bradshaw - I wouldn't put Aikman in that group but I wouldn't argue with someone who did. Then start your discussion about best ever.

No one would argue that # of championships alone is the only criterion, obviously. But among the best players, those of us who think that winning matters believe that championships matter an awful lot.

My take on Manning (and I know how much this pisses people from Indy off, I apologize in advance): I think he's been an insecure loser for most of his career, blaming teammates and making excuses when things go wrong. I think he's over that now, and I would be happy to see him win another super bowl as I have much more respect for him at this stage in his career then I did earlier in his career. But until he wins at least 2 more, I don't consider him in the discussion for best ever.

 

[Nothingman]

Your point is well taken. But, to be fair, it is a more important stat for quarterbacks, who have arguably more influence on the outcome of a game than any other position player of any team game.

I agree and your point is well taken also. I just don't like when someone brings up the number of championships argument and then drops the mic as if nothing else can be discussed.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Not to be a d!ck, but did you go to bed at halftime?

nope...they turned the ball over three times right away leading to easy scores by denver.

take those away and coupled with the way the pats came out in the 2nd half they should have very easily won.

 

[yankeehater]

All you needed to know were the stats they put up of how many 1000 yard rushers and receivers and also Pro Bowlers on both sides of ball Manning has had over Brady. You know Brady doesn't have much of a receiving core when his best WR is a 5'8" white guy every year.

 

[yankeehater]

I heard someone interviewed last week who said Peyton cannot be considered the best ever because of the way he plays in cold weather. His reasoning was that football is an outdoor, winter sport and Manning has not done well in those conditions. He played half of his career indoors in a controlled environment. This was also his belief on why he does not do well in the playoffs. Most of those were outdoor games in the dead of winter. It was a Hall of Famer who said he would feel this until Peyton proved him wrong.

This is the best case I feel. Other option is he is one of the biggest chokers of all time.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

All you needed to know were the stats they put up of how many 1000 yard rushers and receivers and also Pro Bowlers on both sides of ball Manning has had over Brady. You know Brady doesn't have much of a receiving core when his best WR is a 5'8" white guy every year.

That same guy is now Manning's best receiver, you know...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I think Manning does things that are unprecedented. He's a wizard at reading defenses and making his checks. That said, Brady is nearly always huge in big games. That tips things for me.

Ironic that Eli is the guy who is possibly preventing Brady from taking the best of all time label.

 

[Pennick44]

Give me Brady all day , every day. Manning has more/better stats but Brady is all about wins.

 

[palinurus]

Give me Brady all day , every day. Manning has more/better stats but Brady is all about wins.

I jest, I jest.

 

[Rhode Irish]

nope...they turned the ball over three times right away leading to easy scores by denver.

take those away and coupled with the way the pats came out in the 2nd half they should have very easily been in position to win.

But.....they did win. I think his point was that your first post made it seem like you thought they lost and yor second post hasn't done much to dispel that notion.

 

[irishfan]

But.....they did win. I think his point was that your first post made it seem like you thought they lost and yor second post hasn't done much to dispel that notion.

Haha ok good I'm glad someone else caught on to this. I am riding about 4 hours of sleep but these posts made my head spin.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Ive been a huge Manning fan since I was little. I hate Brady so much, but I feel as if it keeps proving to be true that you want Brady as your QB if you want to go deep in the playoffs. I really think Manning just struggles real bad in the cold/ bad weather games.

Now saying Brady is better purely because of Super Bowls isnt true, because Eli would be better than Peyton too. But it kills me to admit that id have to take Brady, he just seems to get it done more in the clutch in the cold playoffs. I may take Manning if its played indoor or in the warm weather all the way through but its not.

I think Peyton has the mental part of the game down better than everyone else. His knowledge of the game is sickening but it seems like he cant get it to translate in the playoffs. IMO Manning is a better regular season and controlled weather QB, but Brady has an edge because he just gets it done in postseason.

 

[rtrn2glory]

But.....they did win. I think his point was that your first post made it seem like you thought they lost and yor second post hasn't done much to dispel that notion.

i mis-spoke i see what i did now...my apologies.

should have said would have won easily.

my fault...basically i'm saying this game was way closer than it should have been.

fixed original posts again apologies

 

[Rhode Irish]

i mis-spoke i see what i did now...my apologies.

should have said would have won easily.

my fault...basically i'm saying this game was way closer than it should have been.

fixed original posts again apologies

Yeah that is totally fair. Hard to win a game when you turn it over, especially when you turn it over so often early and spot a HOF QB a three score lead, and eventually go down by 24. Unfortunately turnovers happen, and it's a pretty good sign for a team to be able to fight its way back. Most teams just go into the tank at that point. Sloppy football and falling behind 24-0 isn't the mark of a great team, but overcoming that is. How many teams in the league do you think would have come out at halftime and won that game against Denver? I think not many.

 

[cody1smith]

Manning no question

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Manning no question

Any particular reason?

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yeah that is totally fair. Hard to win a game when you turn it over, especially when you turn it over so often early and spot a HOF QB a three score lead, and eventually go down by 24. Unfortunately turnovers happen, and it's a pretty good sign for a team to be able to fight its way back. Most teams just go into the tank at that point. Sloppy football and falling behind 24-0 isn't the mark of a great team, but overcoming that is. How many teams in the league do you think would have come out at halftime and won that game against Denver? I think not many.

those situations flat out come down to leadership. last night taught me that more than anything that the pats have great leaders and great leadership at the top (bellicek)

idk who else would have come back from such a deficit, you can probably count them on one hand this year.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Both of them are so much worse than Aaron Rodgers is right now. Shit I'd take Aaron Rodgers with a separated shoulder over these two over-the-hill QBs.

Colts fans who still root for Payton are losers.

 

[IrishLax]

Blake Barnett > Rodgers > Manning-Brady > Tebow

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm a good QB guru so I just analyze QBs solely on how well their teams play.

Cam Newton sucked until this year, Trent Dilfer should be a Hall of Famer, Dan Marino confirmed worst QB ever, Tommy Rees was better than Jimmy Clausen, Brady hasn't been good since 2004, Terry Bradshaw is GOAT.

 

[anarin]

Manning is the best qb of maybe all time. He is a qb that you can put anywhere and he will succeed. Brady is good but he's just a system qb; case in point? Matt Cassel

 

[woolybug25]

Manning is the best qb of maybe all time. He is a qb that you can put anywhere and he will succeed. Brady is good but he's just a system qb; case in point? Matt Cassel

I don't mean this as an insult, so don't take it that way. But you're pretty young, right?

I'm just assuming that you never got to see Joe Montana in his prime or Dan Marino, etc?

It's interesting how different generations see the Mt Rushmore of NFL QB's.

 

[anarin]

I don't mean this as an insult, so don't take it that way. But you're pretty young, right?

I'm just assuming that you never got to see Joe Montana in his prime or Dan Marino, etc?

It's interesting how different generations see the Mt Rushmore of NFL QB's.

Old enough to have seen marino, young, manning, montana, brady, rodgers, elway,favre, moon, kelly and all the great qbs from the 80's till now. I thought Marino was the greatest of all time until Manning. I tie Montana in with Brady, good qbs that had a great system to play in.

 

[woolybug25]

Old enough to have seen marino, young, manning, montana, brady, rodgers, elway,favre, moon, kelly and all the great qbs from the 80's till now. I thought Marino was the greatest of all time until Manning. I tie Montana in with Brady, good qbs that had a great system to play in.

So you are at least 30?

 

[Me2SouthBend]

If I was choosing who I would want for a single game, I would choose Manning. If I was choosing who I would want for a whole season(playoffs included), I am choosing Brady everyday of the week. And that comes from someone who despises the Patriots and Brady.

Where is this game being played? You had better hope it's in an enclosed dome and not outdoors in sub 30 degree weather.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Manning is the best qb of maybe all time. He is a qb that you can put anywhere and he will succeed. Brady is good but he's just a system qb; case in point? Matt Cassel

You mean anywhere that is climate controlled right? Seriously, look up the stats when he plays in cold weather. It's not good. They won't make the Super Bowl because of it and if they do, chances are he won't be the MVP. If it's cold, they're sunk. Brady is just a system QB? You serious Clark? Did Rachelle (sp?) Caldwell make him what he is and carry him while he was in Foxboro?

 

[anarin]

So you are at least 30?

Yep

 

[STLDomer]

Blake Barnett > that malik zaire kid > Rodgers > Manning-Brady > Tebow

FIFY