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I'm disgusted for his actions and disgusted for the justice system he took eventually take a plea deal. Actions like that should be life in prison. End of story.
Jared from Subway In the News
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MNIrishman
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Thank goodness the civilized world has moved past the Code of Hammurabi. The Bill of Rights was crafted the way it was because such punishment, either directly or indirectly, is decidedly Unamerican. Or do you also think thieves should have their hands removed? I believe there are other countries which are aligned with that kind of thinking.
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You're so right. Thank goodness this man who paid to have sex with children and watched porn featuring children under 10 is being treated with dignity and respect and will only go to jail for a maximum of 12 years. Yay justice system!!!
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Is 12 years enough to deter the next person from doing something like this? I understand why we've outlawed cruel and unusual punishment and I appreciate a just and civilized legal system and code of punishment, but it's hardly severe enough to deter criminal behavior. Cutting off the hand of a thief may seem brutal and barbaric, but OTOH, countries where they do that have virtually no theft. Which is more civilized, doing that and having almost no theft or not doing it and letting millions be robbed every year? Would knowing that your punishment for child molestation be extraordinarily brutal and savage have a deterrent effect on pedophiles? Probably. How do you look a child victim in the eyes and say, "We probably could've prevented this, but it wouldn't have been very civilized though." We've civilized ourselves to the point where our punishment system is no longer effective at deterring crime.
No, I don't think thieves should have their hands cut off. In this case a penectomy does seem appropriate.
Why is he only in the 5-12 year range for SERIAL, statutory rape?
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From the Indy Star.
[I"]The younger the girl, the better.”
That, according to court documents, was Jared Fogle’s request in November 2012 to a 17-year-old prostitute.
Fogle had just paid her for sex at the storied Plaza Hotel in New York, across from Central Park. He wanted more. A girl even younger than 17.
Fogle’s desires, however, went well beyond sex with underage girls. He also had a taste for child pornography, court records show, a depravity extending to kids as young as 6 engaging in sexual activity.
Some of it was commercial pornography made outside the United States. But some of it was secretly recorded in the home of the man who headed Fogle’s charitable foundation — of children Fogle knew.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Jared Fogle court documents: What we know
Those were only some of the sordid details of Fogle’s secret life revealed in federal court documents filed Wednesday, part of a devastating criminal case against the former Subway restaurant pitchman.
Fogle, 37, the father of two children younger than 5, was charged with distribution and receipt of child pornography and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor, crimes that will land him in prison for at least five years and possibly much longer. As part of a plea deal, federal prosecutors said they will not ask for more than 12 1/2 years, but a final decision is up to a judge, who could sentence Fogle to as much as 50 years.
In court Wednesday before Magistrate Judge Mark Dinsmore, Fogle remained mostly silent. He hung his head, nervously clasped and unclasped his hands, and answered the judge’s yes-and-no questions in hushed tones.
Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escortedBuy PhotoJared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted to a car by police after the initial hearing Wednesday, Aug. 19, for charges of child pornography and having sex with minors, according to court documents released by the U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of Indiana. Matt Detrich/The StarBuy PhotoFullscreen
Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted Jared Fogle, a former pitchman for Subway, is put in U.S. Attorney Josh Minkler discusses the Jared Fogle Federal prosecutor Steven DeBrota speaks to reporters Escorted by a federal officer, former Subway spokesperson Attorney Jeremy Margolis spoke on behalf of his client Surrounded by news cameras, former Subway spokesperson Local and national media are reflected in the outside Surrounded by security, former Subway spokesperson People watched from across the street at the federal Jared Fogle, a former pitchman for Subway, is escorted Attorney Jeremy Margolis spoke on behalf of his client Media stakes out the southeast entrance to the federal Reporters swarm and bystanders watch from across the
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After he left the courthouse and was whisked away to an awaiting vehicle, his attorney Jeremy Margolis told reporters that his client admits to the charges. In an instant, Fogle’s lucrative image as a bland but appealing everyman who devoted some of his wealth and fame to helping children was shattered.
Reaction was swift and harsh, extending well beyond the onlookers who jeered Fogle as he left the federal courthouse shortly after noon.
His family denounced his actions. His wife filed for a divorce. Subway, the company that made him famous — and for which Fogle had made millions of dollars — tweeted, “Jared Fogle’s actions are inexcusable.” The company previously severed ties with Fogle after the investigation became public on July 7, when authorities executed a search warrant at his Zionsville home.
Fogle’s attorney said his client “requires significant psychiatric medical treatment and counseling,” which he has already started with a “world-renowned expert in sexual conditions.”
INDYSTAR
Jared Fogle: A timeline of his rise and fall.
Fogle’s secret life began to unravel April 29, when police arrested Russell C. Taylor, former head of The Jared Foundation, on preliminary child pornography charges. But Fogle’s interest in child pornography went back to at least 2007, according to court documents, a year before Taylor became head of the foundation.
Fogle frequented online sites with ads for escorts or erotic services. He often fed his desire during business trips, trying to arrange his illicit encounters around his business schedule.
Part of that schedule involved visits to schools, often with Taylor, to promote the foundation’s goals of healthy eating and fighting child obesity. But prosecutors said there were no indications that any of those children were victimized.
After Taylor took over The Jared Foundation, prosecutors said, Fogle’s illegal activities accelerated.
IndyStar reporter Tim Evans summarizes the details of the plea hearing for ex-Subway pitchman Jared Fogle who faces charges related to sex with minors and possessing child porn, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. Stephen Beard/The Star
Some of the evidence used against Fogle came from the case against Taylor. Building the case against Fogle involved examining more than 235,000 text messages, emails, images and videos — more than 5,700 gigabytes in all. Some of that was “commercial” child porn. Some of it Taylor produced.
Taylor is alleged to have had multiple hidden cameras in clock radios in his home that captured children, ages 9 to 16, changing clothes, showering and bathing. Court documents say he shared the photos and video with Fogle, who responded approvingly in text messages. He and Taylor even discussed some of the children by name.
Prosecutors said that when Fogle first learned about Taylor’s secret video recordings, in 2011, he chose his own illicit desires over the fate of the victims.
“If Fogle had done the right thing, 13 of those children would have never been victims,” U.S. Attorney Josh Minkler said.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Swarens: Jared Fogle — the monster next door
Taylor remains in federal custody while awaiting formal charges. Legal experts say the handling of Taylor’s case is indicative of someone who is cooperating with authorities.
As part of Fogle’s plea agreement, which has not been formally submitted, he will pay each of 14 victims $100,000, which prosecutors said is among the largest restitution orders nationally in a child pornography case.
At least one of those victims was the 17-year-old prostitute Fogle paid to have sex with him during visits to New York.
In early November 2012, Fogle paid to have sex with her at The Plaza hotel. Fogle was at the ritzy hotel, which has been the backdrop in dozens of movies and television shows, while in town for the New York City Marathon.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Jared Fogle not alone in cooperating with authorities
The next day, Fogle sent the teen a text message offering to pay her if she could find another underage prostitute. It was during those conversations that Fogle said he would accept a 16-year-old and “the younger the girl, the better.”
Two days after Christmas that year, Fogle reached out to the teen again, reiterating his desire for another underage partner. He told the teen he would “make it worth her while.”
Fogle also asked for explicit photos of the girl, and the teen responded with three nude images.
Two weeks later, Fogle again paid the girl for sex, this time at the Ritz Carlton hotel. Throughout the exchanges, Fogle knew she was a minor.
Fogle did not just rely on teen prostitutes to find victims. He asked adult prostitutes as well, in places such as Richmond, Va., Kansas City and Las Vegas. He offered them a finder’s fee, too, saying he wanted girls as young as 14. But first he engaged in sex acts with the prostitutes to ensure they weren’t undercover police officers.
He also turned to adults in Florida, Georgia and Washington who weren’t prostitutes, telling them of his interest in paying for sex with minors. He even admitted engaging in that activity in the past in conversations that were recorded.
Fogle continued to try to feed his desires even after Taylor’s arrest. As recently as June, he traveled out of state in an unsuccessful attempt to engage in sex with a minor, prosecutors said.
It’s a shocking fall for a man whose career with Subway lasted 15 lucrative years. He drew the attention of the fast-food giant after famously losing 245 pounds — dropping from 425 pounds to 180 — on a diet of two Subway sandwiches per day, while attending Indiana University.
He quickly became the face of Subway. A very recognizable face that drove sales and created notoriety that he couldn’t escape Wednesday outside the federal courthouse in Indianapolis.
A large crowd gathered there to get a glimpse of Fogle. Some jeered. Some taunted. But many just wanted to know how it had come to this. One shouted out the question on everyone’s mind:
“Why’d you do that?”"
Fogle said nothing."[/I]
[I"]The younger the girl, the better.”
That, according to court documents, was Jared Fogle’s request in November 2012 to a 17-year-old prostitute.
Fogle had just paid her for sex at the storied Plaza Hotel in New York, across from Central Park. He wanted more. A girl even younger than 17.
Fogle’s desires, however, went well beyond sex with underage girls. He also had a taste for child pornography, court records show, a depravity extending to kids as young as 6 engaging in sexual activity.
Some of it was commercial pornography made outside the United States. But some of it was secretly recorded in the home of the man who headed Fogle’s charitable foundation — of children Fogle knew.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Jared Fogle court documents: What we know
Those were only some of the sordid details of Fogle’s secret life revealed in federal court documents filed Wednesday, part of a devastating criminal case against the former Subway restaurant pitchman.
Fogle, 37, the father of two children younger than 5, was charged with distribution and receipt of child pornography and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor, crimes that will land him in prison for at least five years and possibly much longer. As part of a plea deal, federal prosecutors said they will not ask for more than 12 1/2 years, but a final decision is up to a judge, who could sentence Fogle to as much as 50 years.
In court Wednesday before Magistrate Judge Mark Dinsmore, Fogle remained mostly silent. He hung his head, nervously clasped and unclasped his hands, and answered the judge’s yes-and-no questions in hushed tones.
Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escortedBuy PhotoJared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted to a car by police after the initial hearing Wednesday, Aug. 19, for charges of child pornography and having sex with minors, according to court documents released by the U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of Indiana. Matt Detrich/The StarBuy PhotoFullscreen
Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted Jared Fogle, a former pitchman for Subway, is put in U.S. Attorney Josh Minkler discusses the Jared Fogle Federal prosecutor Steven DeBrota speaks to reporters Escorted by a federal officer, former Subway spokesperson Attorney Jeremy Margolis spoke on behalf of his client Surrounded by news cameras, former Subway spokesperson Local and national media are reflected in the outside Surrounded by security, former Subway spokesperson People watched from across the street at the federal Jared Fogle, a former pitchman for Subway, is escorted Attorney Jeremy Margolis spoke on behalf of his client Media stakes out the southeast entrance to the federal Reporters swarm and bystanders watch from across the
Next Slide
After he left the courthouse and was whisked away to an awaiting vehicle, his attorney Jeremy Margolis told reporters that his client admits to the charges. In an instant, Fogle’s lucrative image as a bland but appealing everyman who devoted some of his wealth and fame to helping children was shattered.
Reaction was swift and harsh, extending well beyond the onlookers who jeered Fogle as he left the federal courthouse shortly after noon.
His family denounced his actions. His wife filed for a divorce. Subway, the company that made him famous — and for which Fogle had made millions of dollars — tweeted, “Jared Fogle’s actions are inexcusable.” The company previously severed ties with Fogle after the investigation became public on July 7, when authorities executed a search warrant at his Zionsville home.
Fogle’s attorney said his client “requires significant psychiatric medical treatment and counseling,” which he has already started with a “world-renowned expert in sexual conditions.”
INDYSTAR
Jared Fogle: A timeline of his rise and fall.
Fogle’s secret life began to unravel April 29, when police arrested Russell C. Taylor, former head of The Jared Foundation, on preliminary child pornography charges. But Fogle’s interest in child pornography went back to at least 2007, according to court documents, a year before Taylor became head of the foundation.
Fogle frequented online sites with ads for escorts or erotic services. He often fed his desire during business trips, trying to arrange his illicit encounters around his business schedule.
Part of that schedule involved visits to schools, often with Taylor, to promote the foundation’s goals of healthy eating and fighting child obesity. But prosecutors said there were no indications that any of those children were victimized.
After Taylor took over The Jared Foundation, prosecutors said, Fogle’s illegal activities accelerated.
IndyStar reporter Tim Evans summarizes the details of the plea hearing for ex-Subway pitchman Jared Fogle who faces charges related to sex with minors and possessing child porn, Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2015. Stephen Beard/The Star
Some of the evidence used against Fogle came from the case against Taylor. Building the case against Fogle involved examining more than 235,000 text messages, emails, images and videos — more than 5,700 gigabytes in all. Some of that was “commercial” child porn. Some of it Taylor produced.
Taylor is alleged to have had multiple hidden cameras in clock radios in his home that captured children, ages 9 to 16, changing clothes, showering and bathing. Court documents say he shared the photos and video with Fogle, who responded approvingly in text messages. He and Taylor even discussed some of the children by name.
Prosecutors said that when Fogle first learned about Taylor’s secret video recordings, in 2011, he chose his own illicit desires over the fate of the victims.
“If Fogle had done the right thing, 13 of those children would have never been victims,” U.S. Attorney Josh Minkler said.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Swarens: Jared Fogle — the monster next door
Taylor remains in federal custody while awaiting formal charges. Legal experts say the handling of Taylor’s case is indicative of someone who is cooperating with authorities.
As part of Fogle’s plea agreement, which has not been formally submitted, he will pay each of 14 victims $100,000, which prosecutors said is among the largest restitution orders nationally in a child pornography case.
At least one of those victims was the 17-year-old prostitute Fogle paid to have sex with him during visits to New York.
In early November 2012, Fogle paid to have sex with her at The Plaza hotel. Fogle was at the ritzy hotel, which has been the backdrop in dozens of movies and television shows, while in town for the New York City Marathon.
INDIANAPOLIS STAR
Jared Fogle not alone in cooperating with authorities
The next day, Fogle sent the teen a text message offering to pay her if she could find another underage prostitute. It was during those conversations that Fogle said he would accept a 16-year-old and “the younger the girl, the better.”
Two days after Christmas that year, Fogle reached out to the teen again, reiterating his desire for another underage partner. He told the teen he would “make it worth her while.”
Fogle also asked for explicit photos of the girl, and the teen responded with three nude images.
Two weeks later, Fogle again paid the girl for sex, this time at the Ritz Carlton hotel. Throughout the exchanges, Fogle knew she was a minor.
Fogle did not just rely on teen prostitutes to find victims. He asked adult prostitutes as well, in places such as Richmond, Va., Kansas City and Las Vegas. He offered them a finder’s fee, too, saying he wanted girls as young as 14. But first he engaged in sex acts with the prostitutes to ensure they weren’t undercover police officers.
He also turned to adults in Florida, Georgia and Washington who weren’t prostitutes, telling them of his interest in paying for sex with minors. He even admitted engaging in that activity in the past in conversations that were recorded.
Fogle continued to try to feed his desires even after Taylor’s arrest. As recently as June, he traveled out of state in an unsuccessful attempt to engage in sex with a minor, prosecutors said.
It’s a shocking fall for a man whose career with Subway lasted 15 lucrative years. He drew the attention of the fast-food giant after famously losing 245 pounds — dropping from 425 pounds to 180 — on a diet of two Subway sandwiches per day, while attending Indiana University.
He quickly became the face of Subway. A very recognizable face that drove sales and created notoriety that he couldn’t escape Wednesday outside the federal courthouse in Indianapolis.
A large crowd gathered there to get a glimpse of Fogle. Some jeered. Some taunted. But many just wanted to know how it had come to this. One shouted out the question on everyone’s mind:
“Why’d you do that?”"
Fogle said nothing."[/I]
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Part of the plea deal. The article I just posted also points that out, but also states the judge can go with a longer term if he wants to.
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On the contrary, compare our recidivism rate (Bureau of Justice Statistics Reentry Trends in the U.S.: Recidivism), somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4, with countries that have even more lenient standards of punishment, like Norway (Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider), which only has a 20% recidivism rate. Our incarceration rate is also nearly 10x that of Norway!
Society isn't served by vengeance. Indeed, emotional pleas for violence and increased sentencing are extremely damaging. FFS, we've got a higher incarceration rate than f'ing China.
Society is best served by prisons that focus on protection of those outside them and the rehabilitation of those inside them. That means respecting the dignity of those inside even when they are slimy, slimy scumbags. Because our prisons are extremely ineffective, and the evidence indicates that the influence of shortsighted, vengeance-based attitudes like yours are why. Unless you can point to a study that shows that state-sanctioned brutal violence is more effective than Norway's system?
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Scumbags have no dignity. That's why they do what they do.
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Nice post. And, by in large, people who work in prisons understand this fact. The more politicized they become, the less effective they are.
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Penn Station is better than all the chain sandwich shops.
It's crazy to see how brazen he was about the whole thing. People knew he was a pedophile, he openly talked about it with people, but nothing came of it till now. Unbelievable.
It's crazy to see how brazen he was about the whole thing. People knew he was a pedophile, he openly talked about it with people, but nothing came of it till now. Unbelievable.
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i think the whole jared thing is a message that companies should never use real people to front their advertising. You'd never see the Hamburglar getting up to shit like this
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WRONG!
Dude...that guy committed at least one crime in every one of his commercials!
SMH...
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I'll never understand why we punish people for doing the right thing.
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He'll be lucky if that's the only thing that happens to him.
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Seems kind of dangerous to have a sex offender put into a prison where he mixes with the general inmate population no?
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He wasn't concerned with the kids. I'm not worrying about it.
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No, the other inmates are mostly adults, so they should be safe.
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Not only should they be safe, they're more than likely to do what this inmate did and open up a can on him. Honestly, if you're a child diddler or a former law enforcement officer, situation depending, it might be open season on your ass.
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It's kind of funny how we don't really have a justice or corrections system so much as a vengeance system, which we defend vigorously as a good thing even though we have the highest incarceration rate in the "free" world and one of the highest rates of recidivism. Then there's the questionable logic behind the belief that rapists being raped is OK because rape is wrong.