Jared from Subway In the News

[RyCo1983]

Oh our system is so beyond broken that it isn't funny.
It's ineffective.

But it is hard to feel bad about this diddler taking a beating.

 

[Irishnuke]

It's kind of funny how we don't really have a justice or corrections system so much as a vengeance system, which we defend vigorously as a good thing even though we have the highest incarceration rate in the "free" world and one of the highest rates of recidivism. Then there's the questionable logic behind the belief that rapists being raped is OK because rape is wrong.

You're sympathizing for a pedophile, but keep preaching SJW.

 

[T Town Tommy]

It's kind of funny how we don't really have a justice or corrections system so much as a vengeance system, which we defend vigorously as a good thing even though we have the highest incarceration rate in the "free" world and one of the highest rates of recidivism. Then there's the questionable logic behind the belief that rapists being raped is OK because rape is wrong.

So what's your solution? For the record, I do think the gov't has a responsibility to protect him while in prison, irrespective of the fact that he is a pedophile, preyed on innocent children, and is a vile individual. Furthermore, most every study indicates that even after years of incarceration, millions of dollars spent housing, feeding, and attending to pedophiles, they have the largest recidivism rate of offenders. So, again... what would you suggest?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

You're sympathizing for a pedophile, but keep preaching SJW.

No, he's not. The prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not revenge. The fact that we joke so easily about rape in prisons is troubling to many people.

 

[T Town Tommy]

No, he's not. The prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not revenge. The fact that we joke so easily about rape in prisons is troubling to many people.

So... I will ask you the same. What is your suggestion for rehabilitating pedophiles, given the recidivism rates are the worse for them?

 

[MNIrishman]

So what's your solution? For the record, I do think the gov't has a responsibility to protect him while in prison, irrespective of the fact that he is a pedophile, preyed on innocent children, and is a vile individual. Furthermore, most every study indicates that even after years of incarceration, millions of dollars spent housing, feeding, and attending to pedophiles, they have the largest recidivism rate of offenders. So, again... what would you suggest?

I think we should go with what works. We're not Norway, but we could learn some things from them about how to build a functional penal system that reduces crime and the burden on taxpayers.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider

And for the record, I don't think wanting a prison system that costs less and functions more efficiently while reflecting the values of our society makes me an SJW. I suppose you'd like Saudi Arabia? They behead rapists in public and cut the hands from thieves. It's a horribly barbaric system, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

And no, I don't have much sympathy for Jared. I do have sympathy for people who are turned into violent criminals by an ineffective justice system that thinks criminals aren't really people.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think we should go with what works. We're not Norway, but we could learn some things from them about how to build a functional penal system that reduces crime and the burden on taxpayers.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider

And for the record, I don't think wanting a prison system that costs less and functions more efficiently while reflecting the values of our society makes me an SJW. I suppose you'd like Saudi Arabia? They behead rapists in public and cut the hands from thieves. It's a horribly barbaric system, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

And no, I don't have much sympathy for Jared. I do have sympathy for people who are turned into violent criminals by an ineffective justice system that thinks criminals aren't really people.

Well... I didn't call you a SJW to begin with. And I stated that I do think the gov't has an obligation to protect a prisoner so I don't get the Saudi Arabia comment. Simply asked for your suggestions. I think we can all agree that the penal system in America is horrendous, costs too much to operate, and is ineffective at best.

 

[MNIrishman]

Well... I didn't call you a SJW to begin with. And I stated that I do think the gov't has an obligation to protect a prisoner so I don't get the Saudi Arabia comment. Simply asked for your suggestions. I think we can all agree that the penal system in America is horrendous, costs too much to operate, and is ineffective at best.

Sorry, only part of that was responding to you and part was directed towards others. Hard to do multiple quotes on the phone.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Sorry, only part of that was responding to you and part was directed towards others. Hard to do multiple quotes on the phone.

No problem. I do think our system has programs much like Norway for those less violent offenders. And, without researching, I would bet the recidivism rate for them are much lower than more violent offenders. I just don't see Norway's approach working for the hardened criminal in America. No easy answers and the current system has failed. With most offenders having little to no education, no work skills, and many with no desire to try to attain either, I guess I can see why the recidivism rates are unbelievable.

 

[MNIrishman]

No problem. I do think our system has programs much like Norway for those less violent offenders. And, without researching, I would bet the recidivism rate for them are much lower than more violent offenders. I just don't see Norway's approach working for the hardened criminal in America. No easy answers and the current system has failed. With most offenders having little to no education, no work skills, and many with no desire to try to attain either, I guess I can see why the recidivism rates are unbelievable.

Norway does have some key differences from the US that help them for sure. Their lack of racial diversity, for example, limits some of the problems with gang violence that we experience. It would be interesting to see an experimental US prison that would test and evaluate ways to limit recidivism. First on the list of things I would try would be giving prisoners (limited) access to the Internet. So many get out and struggle to adapt to a world that is technologically focused. Having access to technology whole behind bars won't give them their freedom back, but it could improve their employability on exit and limit their isolation, which have been shown to be key factors for recidivism.

To those who say that would be going soft: we could just shoot every prisoner. No recidivism, no mercy.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

The simple fact is that the guy needs his brain re-wired. He's sick and ten million ass kickings won't fix it.

It's a brain discussion. What tells me that I am attracted to women? What tells a gay man he's attracted to other men? It's the same thing telling Jared he's attracted to kids.

For all I care the guy can rot hell but I hate the wasted tax money as well.

We all have "issues" but some humans just come out as defects and he's one of them. Society is willing to accept most "abnormal" thought processes but the ones that lead you to f*ck kids, murder, rape etc just don't garner much sympathy or acceptance. The way he's wired and synapsing is causing this.

On the other hand I guess it could be a learned behavior or reactionary to something in his own past.. In that case therapy might work but who wants to spend more money on a kid fiddler..

 

[johnnycando]

It's a demon.

Honestly my opinion.

 

[Bishop2b5]

No, he's not. The prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not revenge. The fact that we joke so easily about rape in prisons is troubling to many people.

Rehab is part of it, but by no means all of it or even the primary purpose of a prison system. One major reason for incarcerating criminals is in order to remove them from society so that they're no longer a threat to others. Another reason is to serve as a deterrent to others. I have a hard time feeling the slightest sympathy for a rapist or child molester who gets raped or beaten in prison. If he thought it was OK to do it to someone else, what grounds does he have to complain when it's done to him?

I'm all for rehabilitating those that can be rehabilitated, but statistics show rapists & molesters rarely can be. Rates of recidivism are extraordinarily high for those crimes. Prison isn't supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be tough enough that you avoid doing things to get sent there, and if you do go, once you get out you get your act together and make sure you never go back.

 

[Irish#1]

No, he's not. The prison system is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not revenge. The fact that we joke so easily about rape in prisons is troubling to many people.

I would politely disagree. The primary reasons for the prison system is to use it as a punishment and/or lesson for doing the crime and as Bishop mentioned, get them away from the general public. Rehab is a tool used as part of the "lesson".

Our system can be improved, but it's difficult to compare other countries systems to ours. As mentioned culture and diversity are not the same, so one system may not work for other countries. You can probably incorporate a few things, but I don't think you can incorporate an entire system.

I was a jurist on a pedophile case years ago. Wasn't the guys first time. I watched him closely during the trial. The guys lack of emotion, mannerisms, facial expressions, etc. told me him didn't regret his actions at all.

IMO, I'm not sure any amount of therapy will change a pedophile. If they are hard wired that way, about the only thing that may work is drugs and I'm not sure they have anything that alters one's thinking when it comes to those thoughts.

 

[greyhammer90]

IMO, I'm not sure any amount of therapy will change a pedophile. If they are hard wired that way, about the only thing that may work is drugs and I'm not sure they have anything that alters one's thinking when it comes to those thoughts.

So yeah kick his ass

 

[Irish#1]

Evidently the guy who kicked Jared's butt, is a career criminal and didn't like that Jared was flaunting that he could make his imprisonment a little more comfortable than the others. Happened in January. Surprised it didn't get leaked sooner.



Disgraced former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle was left beaten and bloodied in a prison fight by a fellow inmate, according to published reports that surfaced Wednesday.

The inmate has ties to Arizona and a criminal history in the state that dates back to the mid-1970s, when a Phoenix police detective described him as one of "the worst criminals" he had encountered.

Steven J. Nigg, 60, wanted to draw attention to the number of prisoners at the minimum-security prison in Colorado who are serving sentences for sexually based offenses, his family said.

Entertainment website TMZ.com reported that Nigg attacked Fogle in a prison yard in late January and that Nigg "pushed Fogle down and then unloaded a barrage of punches to his face."

Both he and Fogle are serving sentences at the Federal Correctional Institution, Englewood, which is in Littleton, Colo., about 9 miles outside of Denver.

Nephew speaks out

Jimmy Nigg of Denver, Nigg's nephew, said Wednesday that his uncle attacked Fogle because he was "frustrated" by his own conviction and the fact that Fogle has been using his celebrity status and money to get special treatment.

"In his words, my uncle's words, people convicted of these types of crimes, crimes against children, sexual predators, rapists, they shouldn't be in a minimum-security prison," Nigg said in a phone interview Wednesday. "He felt like it wasn't fair. He (Fogle) gets to order any food he wants, he can use his money to do things. This guy is coming and prancing in like he can do anything he wants.

"He (Nigg) wanted to send a message."

According to the Arizona Department of Corrections website, Nigg was admitted to the Arizona prison system in March 1977, when he was in his early 20s.

Records and published reports show that Nigg was sentenced to 15-30 years after pleading guilty to three armed robberies in 1976.

He and another man were accused of robbing the Park Central Motor Hotel, two convenience stores, the Sage Motel and a gas station near Wickenburg.

The men also were accused of robbing a Mesa police officer at gunpoint and handcuffing him to a shopping cart.

The corrections website shows that Nigg was disciplined a handful of times in 1988 for infractions that included striking a fellow inmate, verbally threatening another inmate and deliberately starting a fire.

Nigg was also shot in prison. According to published reports in 1979, Nigg was sitting in his cell at the Arizona State Prison in Florence when he was shot in the shoulder by a homemade zip gun. Prison officials said a second shot missed him but ricocheted off a wall and burned him on the head.

He was released from the Arizona prison system in 1989. A decade later, he was arrested in Wisconsin on charges of battery and disorderly conduct and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of property damage. He was arrested again in 2003 and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of obstructing a police officer.

Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted
Jared Fogle, former pitchman for Subway, is escorted to a car by police after an initial hearing Aug. 19, 2015, when he agreed to plead guilty to charges of possessing child pornography and having sex with minors. (Photo: Matt Detrich / The Star)
In federal prison

Nigg's nephew said his uncle was sent to federal prison in 2010 after he sold possessions from his father's estate, including antique guns.

Court records show Nigg owned a consignment store called Nigg's Nuthin' Fancy. His stepmother accused him of selling items, including guns, that belonged to his late father, in violation of a probate court order.

Nigg's stepmother hired an attorney and a private investigator who went to the store and purchased for $1,600 two rifles that had belonged to his father, according to court records. They turned over the firearms to federal agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Nigg was indicted on federal gun charges and pleaded guilty to being an armed career criminal in possession of a firearm. Under federal minimum-sentencing guidelines, Nigg was sentenced to 15 years in a federal prison.

The online Federal Bureau of Prisons database shows that Nigg was scheduled to be released in 2024.

Nigg has been in solitary confinement since he attacked Fogle, his nephew said. But Jimmy Nigg doesn't think his uncle regrets his actions in the prison yard.

'What he wanted to do was send a message'

"What he wanted to do is send a message, and he did," Jimmy Nigg said. "If he wanted to kill Jared Fogle, he would have been able to, and he didn't. No one stopped him from assaulting Jared. He sent the message, and he walked away."

Fogle pleaded guilty in August to having had sex with minors and distributing and receiving child pornography, according to a plea agreement released by the U.S. attorney of the Southern District of Indiana.

Fogle was sentenced in November to 15 years and eight months in prison for possession and distribution of child pornography and traveling across state lines for commercial sex with a minor.