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[irishff1014]

Nah man, this is somehow Notre Dame's fault.

No it isn't they no it isn't aloud and di it anyway so they flat out didn't care. If I was a teammate they wouldn't like me for a few days.

 

[connor_in]

1) Like it or not, weed is still illegal in most places
2) In the NCAA, weed is not allowed
3) Student Athletes know 1 & 2
4) Myself and many others have made it twice as far in life and more without partaking in illegal substances
5) If a college athlete is caught with an illegal substance, much less an NCAA banned one, they are stupid

I am not looking down on any of you that smoke weed, but if you are in a situation where they test for it and you still do it, admit that it's not too bright on your part.

 

[tussin]

I am on the fence here as obviously the value of a ND degree lies in the quality of the students, the exclusivity of the school, as well as other non-football related aspects of the school. Its first and foremost duty is academics. It is not going to change for a few guys who accepted that challenge by enrolling for a free 40-year bankroll. That being said getting busted for weed is weak sauce on their part. Its illegal still and the guys know what they are doing. I am assuming they will get the same punishment anyone else would that was dumb enough to get busted.

Not sure what your point is on the bold. Even if they abolished athletics, ND would still admit hundreds of kids every year that recreationally smoke. In fact, I'd guess that there are likely more marijuana users among non-athletes.

I understand your second point though. It is still illegal. My only gripe is that ND should be a bit more rational / progressive regarding punishment. We are talking about something that is legal in 20+ states with many more states (including Indiana) considering legislation to treat offenses as nothing more than a parking ticket.

 

[Bubbles]

 

[tussin]

1) Like it or not, weed is still illegal in most places
2) In the NCAA, weed is not allowed
3) Student Athletes know 1 & 2
4) Myself and many others have made it twice as far in life and more without partaking in illegal substances
5) If a college athlete is caught with an illegal substance, much less an NCAA banned one, they are stupid

I am not looking down on any of you that smoke weed, but if you are in a situation where they test for it and you still do it, admit that it's not too bright on your part.

Did they fail an NCAA test? This is a school issue. Look at the B1G for example (number in parenthesis is what weed offense it is):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Here they are for the Big Ten (from 2010). Michigan: 1=no suspension, 2=10% of season, 3=1 year <a href="http://t.co/YMLBHAfhgx">pic.twitter.com/YMLBHAfhgx</a></p>— Jon Davis (@NUHighlights) <a href="https://twitter.com/NUHighlights/status/459685517676654592">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Nick Setta]

Did they fail an NCAA test? This is a school issue (look at the B1G for example):
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Here they are for the Big Ten (from 2010). Michigan: 1=no suspension, 2=10% of season, 3=1 year <a href="http://t.co/YMLBHAfhgx">pic.twitter.com/YMLBHAfhgx</a></p>— Jon Davis (@NUHighlights) <a href="https://twitter.com/NUHighlights/status/459685517676654592">April 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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No. They were probably caught smoking by an RA that needs to get his ass kicked.

 

[Wild Bill]

So big picture here:

Under BK and not necesssrily his fault but,
Matt James,
Declan Sullivan,
Lennay,
Shembo rape scandal,
Acadmeic misconduct Golson,
Frozen five,
Neal, kinlaw, Mahone, Lynch, Ferguson, Bryant, Folston, Wood,
Rees and Calabrese,
Shoulders,
Legs,

Am I missing anything?

Mahone losing it, toot daddy had to take a semester off before the frozen five, EG's suspension and floyd arrest.

Just saw you listed mahone.

 

[MNIrishman]

No. They were probably caught smoking by an RA that needs to get his ass kicked.

RA gets a scholarship to do a job. So do certain other people. So who should get their ass kicked for not doing their job?

 

[tussin]

RA gets a scholarship to do a job. So do certain other people. So who should get their ass kicked for not doing their job?

Have you ever been pulled over by a cop and were super grateful when he let you go with just a warning? Yeah, me too.

 

[GATTACA!]

RA gets a scholarship to do a job. So do certain other people. So who should get their ass kicked for not doing their job?

Yes

 

[MNIrishman]

Have you ever been pulled over by a cop and were super grateful when he let you go with just a warning? Yeah, me too.

I actually haven't ever been let off with a warning. But even if I were, it's not the same situation. The cop wouldn't lose his job for letting you off with a warning. The RA could lose his scholarship for letting that go. Would you risk 60 grand and your reputation so some guys could smoke weed with impunity?

 

[Crazy Balki]

I am on the fence here as obviously the value of a ND degree lies in the quality of the students, the exclusivity of the school, as well as other non-football related aspects of the school. Its first and foremost duty is academics. It is not going to change for a few guys who accepted that challenge by enrolling for a free 40-year bankroll. That being said getting busted for weed is weak sauce on their part. Its illegal still and the guys know what they are doing. I am assuming they will get the same punishment anyone else would that was dumb enough to get busted.

I don't think anyone here is against them getting punished for it, but a lot of people here (myself included) are worried that the admin will make a 'level headed' decision. I'd say something along the lines of permanent expulsion is fair...

 

[Crazy Balki]

I actually haven't ever been let off with a warning. But even if I were, it's not the same situation. The cop wouldn't lose his job for letting you off with a warning. The RA could lose his scholarship for letting that go. Would you risk 60 grand and your reputation so some guys could smoke weed with impunity?

It just goes to show you how archaic ND really is. Honestly, Stanford is as good, or even a better school academically, and they pretty much recommend it. Hell, it's advertised on the fucking tubas!

As for my point of view...Take it away Bill.

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[MNIrishman]

It just goes to show you how archaic ND really is. Honestly, Stanford is as good, or even a better school academically, and they pretty much recommend it. Hell, it's advertised on the fucking tubas!

As for my point of view...Take it away Bill.

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Yeah it would be good to revise the rules to be more in line with the cultural acceptability of marijuana across D1/the country/medical advice (most doctors advise that marijuana should be legalized). My comment is just related to the fact that the rules are enforced a certain way as they currently stand, and that group culpability is a big deal (or at least WAS, starting to feel old) in how they deal out punishment. I know an entire room of girls who got in trouble because ONE of them got alcohol poisoning ("You were there, so you HAD to have been aware of the hard liquor..."). It ain't right, but that's how it stands, and I'm not going to blame an RA for covering his ass just because some fools who knew the risks acted selfishly and recklessly.

 

[Nick Setta]

RA gets a scholarship to do a job. So do certain other people. So who should get their ass kicked for not doing their job?

Can he play running back? He should know his role then.

 

[irishtrain]

Join the IVY LEAGUE

 

[Crazy Balki]

Yeah it would be good to revise the rules to be more in line with the cultural acceptability of marijuana across D1/the country/medical advice (most doctors advise that marijuana should be legalized). My comment is just related to the fact that the rules are enforced a certain way as they currently stand, and that group culpability is a big deal (or at least WAS, starting to feel old) in how they deal out punishment. I know an entire room of girls who got in trouble because ONE of them got alcohol poisoning ("You were there, so you HAD to have been aware of the hard liquor..."). It ain't right, but that's how it stands, and I'm not going to blame an RA for covering his ass just because some fools who knew the risks acted selfishly and recklessly.

Yeah, that was more of my idea of how it should be, not how it is. Though, to be fair, what college kid doesn't smoke weed nowadays. Perhaps, instead of just saying, that's how things are and grin and bare it, they need to change things. The whole "they knew the risk and have to accept the punishment" mindset won't change anything. It'll get them suspended, and the admin will just adhere to the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" policy. Especially at ND, where it seems marijuana is the equivalent of spitting on the pope. The act of outlawing weed is more criminal than the drug itself. The mindset of America:

Kids, it's wrong to smoke weed. It could ruin your life and inspiration to be what you dream of....next commercial. GRAB SOME BUDS!

Yeah, don't toke up, but feel free to drown your misery away while damaging your liver (guilty). Or perhaps, just smoke your lungs black. We meant, don't take those other drugs, those UN-TAXED drugs.

But my tirade has gone on long enough. They were dumb to do it, but the system is wrong to enforce it.

Quick question though, does the NCAA have it's own policy for players and coaches on drugs, or does the state enforce it. So like, in Colorado, are Buffs players allowed to toke up? I'd assume yes, except before bowl games...which seems to be never at the moment.

 

[DillonHall]

I actually haven't ever been let off with a warning. But even if I were, it's not the same situation. The cop wouldn't lose his job for letting you off with a warning. The RA could lose his scholarship for letting that go. Would you risk 60 grand and your reputation so some guys could smoke weed with impunity?

I get your point, but an RA only gets his housing paid for.

 

[phgreek]

The players doing stupid shit is what I've come to expect

...unfortunately...

The administration doing self-harm is also what I expect...SMH.

 

[BeauBenken]

I like how nothing official has been said yet and the board is in meltdown mode.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Well who knows if it was an RA or a cop. Knowing South Bend Police they probably screwed them over.

Probably Cam Mcdaniel

 

[stlnd01]

I like how nothing official has been said yet and the board is in meltdown mode.

Of course it is. Just wait until we're really in the offseason. Full-on batshit mode.

 

[MNIrishman]

I get your point, but an RA only gets his housing paid for.

You're right, I mentally conflated it with some other bonuses students can earn, like the leprechaun or senior student manager benefits.

 

[MNIrishman]

Can he play running back? He should know his role then.

El oh el.

 

[stlnd01]

I see the "sky is falling" mode has spilled over into various recruiting threads now.
What is it that we're allegedly reducing scholarships because of?

Jaysus, people need to get a grip around here.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I like how nothing official has been said yet and the board is in meltdown mode.

It's bad news at Notre Dame...of course it's true!

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

When isn't it bad news for Us? Right now we look to be under a dark cloud all of the time.

Transfers, suspensions, getting destroyed in the National Championships, our starting QB kicked out of school, injuries, bad coaching, coach interviews for the NFL, getting beat by bad teams, team not improving, etc.

Bad news, building on bad news, and so on.

So sad, bad news comes all the time--it almost doesn't even anger me anymore. Getting numb, or it is so common that it is what it is.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Then again it is the state of ND right now, we have been in the final rankings (25) exactly 5 times since 2000. 5!

And only 1 time while BC has been here.

We are becoming exactly what people have been saying, a 2nd tier/level program.

We have been in the final BCS Rankings only 2 times in the last 9 years. Pretty dang crappy.

 

[GATTACA!]

I like how nothing official has been said yet and the board is in meltdown mode.

Yea if its like the frozen five we will hear something official the night before the bowl game.

 

[Cackalacky]

Not sure what your point is on the bold. Even if they abolished athletics, ND would still admit hundreds of kids every year that recreationally smoke. In fact, I'd guess that there are likely more marijuana users among non-athletes.

I understand your second point though. It is still illegal. My only gripe is that ND should be a bit more rational / progressive regarding punishment. We are talking about something that is legal in 20+ states with many more states (including Indiana) considering legislation to treat offenses as nothing more than a parking ticket.

I guess it was not clear. Many people seem to want the school to be a little less stringent and want whomever to look the other way like other schools do. What I was getting at is that is not how ND rolls. And the guys that took the scholarship are aware of this because of DuLac and no doubt all the other NCAA stuff they have to be aware of. So they jeopardize the initially great decision to come to ND for free and screw it up over the dank.... And get punished like the other ND students would as opposed to sitting out a drive against Scranton Polytechnic.