Best Football Movie Ever

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I know it's corny, but "Knute Rockne All American". I still love the scene when Rockne (Pat O'Brien), after losing the Army game, arrives by train at the South Bend station to a full house of a cheering student body and says, "Gentlemen, I will never leave Notre Dame."

The movie is Rudy's grandfather.
 

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I'm currently reading Friday Night Lights. Much of the off-field stuff in the movie is accurate. As for the games and actual football action? Not so much.
 

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Rudy is largely crap as well.

This is one ND grad who agrees. Schlock, dreck; pandering to the nth degree. The only reason I survived my one viewing were the location shots on campus and cameo appearances by the likes of Ted The Head.

My young son saw a VVHS copy in the discontinued bin at BlockBuster and got my wife to buy it for me as a Christmas present from him – for a buck. I sat down with him on the couch to watch it. I thanked him profusely and then stuffed the tape in a drawer, never to be viewed again.
 

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I know it's corny, but "Knute Rockne All American". I still love the scene when Rockne (Pat O'Brien), after losing the Army game, arrives by train at the South Bend station to a full house of a cheering student body and says, "Gentlemen, I will never leave Notre Dame."

The movie is Rudy's grandfather.


Good thing there wasn't an internet then. The usual suspects would have opened a Fire Rockne thread.
 

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I haven't watched it in years, but The Program was one of my favorites growing up.

Some others that haven't been mentioned: Any Given Sunday, We Are Marshall and Varsity Blues. Two more that won't be confused with the greatest of all-time but were childhood favorites: Water Boy and The Little Giants (I feel like I'm reliving this movie every day coaching my son's 1st grade football team).
 

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Good thing there wasn't an internet then. The usual suspects would have opened a Fire Rockne thread.

Come to think of it, Rockne should have run Harry O'Boyle more in that Army game.
 
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The Express (Ernie Davis story) is worth a watch, very similar feel to it if you have seen 42 (Jackie Robinson story)

For me personally Friday Night Lights the movie is my favourite.
 

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The Express was good. My favorite all time is Friday Night Lights, but more because of its high school annotations. This was the only level I played at, so it makes it easier to relate.
 
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Necessary Roughness (Kathy Ireland and Samurai linebacker).

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Radio is really good. They did a good job with what is essentially a post-segregation story.
 
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Undefeated is a pretty good documentary that came out in the last 2 years or so.
 

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This X 1000000000000000000

Saw it for the first time in Theology class last spring. Fantastic movie, not sure why it's didn't get more critical acclaim.

It has a permanent place on my Netflix instant queue.
 

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Can't believe no one picked this classic:

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This...

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Although I found Radio a little too broad with the good guys and bad guys, I liked it anyway, and I was surprised at how good Gooding was; that was not an easy role.

I have to say, I really don't like most sports movies because the action segments are usually so hokey and/or inaccurate to reality that it drives me nuts. Watching Gary Cooper throwing lefthanded as Lou Gehrig in Pride of the Yankees should cause anyone who likes baseball to cry, and not for the reason the producers wanted.

Same with football: hokey pep talks, hokey crowds in the stands, and hokey tackling and blocking. Actually, that sounds like a Southern Cal home game.
 
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I haven't seen all of the movies mentioned in this thread, but my favorite football movie of all time of Friday Night Lights. I have even argued that, along with Hoosiers, it is the greatest sports movie.

Why? Because it is purely about sports and the effect of sports on society. Most "sports movies" are not really about sports. They are about race relations or a character's relationship with his/her father or a dude trying to **** some chick, and sports are just the engine that makes the plot go. They are like Marcellus's briefcase in Pulp Fiction ... it doesn't matter what is in the case; all that matters is that Marcellus wants it back, so it sets the events of the film in motion. Similarly, most sports movies could take place in some other context and still be basically the same movie. So the best and purest "sports movies," in my view, are the ones that could not be redone in a different setting and be basically the same movie; i.e., the best sports movies are the ones that are actually essentially about sports. If you think about it, these movies are surprisingly difficult to find ...

... but Hoosiers and Friday Night Lights are two, and that quality is a big part of why I like them so much.
 
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Anyone said The Natural?

That is on my short list. Sorry not a football movie.
 
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Radio is not "good guys versus bad guys." None of the people in that movie are good or bad. There is a ton of moral ambiguity on both sides and it is not just regarding race. Radio was a severe liability for public schools back then.
 

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I'm a pretty big fan of All the Right Moves. And Wildcats is funnier than hell. Plus, look at that cast: Wesley Snipes, Woody Harrelson, Goldie Hawn. All the Right Moves has a good cast too. Plus, USC loses a key recruit when Chris Penn gets his girlfriend pregnant. So there's that.
 

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We are Marshall is worth a watch too, the game sequences are pretty decent in it
 

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Radio is not "good guys versus bad guys." None of the people in that movie are good or bad. There is a ton of moral ambiguity on both sides and it is not just regarding race. Radio was a severe liability for public schools back then.

I don't agree at all. Many of the bad guys are cartoonish southern racist hicks. I'm sure there were and are such people, but it's a cliche and I find it boring and lazy on the part of the writers.
 
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I don't agree at all. Many of the bad guys are cartoonish southern racist hicks. I'm sure there were and are such people, but it's a cliche and I find it boring and lazy on the part of the writers.

Who exactly are the bad guys in the movie? The coach, who neglected his family? The new cop who thought he was doing his job? Raio's mother who distrusted the coach's intentions? Johnny's father who wanted the best for his son?


IMO they did an excellent job capturing the demeanor of the people in this area, particularly during the period of time this takes place in. There is no overt racism in the movie at all but much like it still is today it is an undercurrent which reveals itself through other societal issues.
 
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We are Marshall is worth a watch too, the game sequences are pretty decent in it

I remember when the Marshal fans would throw heated up metal nuts and bolts at you standing on the sidelines.

I didn't see anyone nominate "Paper Lion", if for nothing else, the nostalgia. Okay Allan Alda with Alex Karras (who in reality wasn't even there for Plimpton's training camp experience), was worth it!
 

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I like these football movies.

Rudy
Blind Side
Invincible
Remember the Titans

There's actually quite a few great football movies though. My favorite sports film is actually Hoosiers.
 

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Who exactly are the bad guys in the movie? The coach, who neglected his family? The new cop who thought he was doing his job? Raio's mother who distrusted the coach's intentions? Johnny's father who wanted the best for his son?


IMO they did an excellent job capturing the demeanor of the people in this area, particularly during the period of time this takes place in. There is no overt racism in the movie at all but much like it still is today it is an undercurrent which reveals itself through other societal issues.


I guess we have a different definition of "moral ambiguity." It's not that key characters are flawless, it's that, in the issues critical to the storyline, you can't see the difficulty of the choices and issues before them and how both sides might (or might not be) both a bit right AND a bit wrong. You don't really see the "bad guys" side. To me, many well done villains are characters for whom the author or screenwriter or whoever gets inside their heads to see why they don't see themselves as "villains." They may still be villains, but when you see "the why", you see another layer to the conflict; it's not just a formula.

The guys in the barber shop -- all are white guys, as I recall -- and not just Johnny's dad, but esp. him, are pretty much clearly implied to be against the coach because he's being kind to the black autistic kid. My point is, there is no attempt to show what Johnny's dad or the others are thinking: are they decent people struggling with a prejudice, whether it be directed at mentally handicapped or a racial minority? Do they have a legitimate basis for opposing the coach? Or are they just yahoos? The movie shows them as guys who try to bully the coach and then shun him when he won't give into an unspecified prejudice. There's no attempt to show their side or their concerns or their thinking, so we can see if they are reasonable or not. All we see is, they want to win, they aren't winning, and here they got this "liberal" coach who's being nice to a black autistic kid -- so they'll be either bullies or moral cowards. There is really only one implication.

I mean, we also could discuss the saintliness of the coach (re the central issue of Radio, as opposed to the side issue of his treatment of his own family) or the broad caricature of the state education bureaucrat, but I recognize it's a movie and we have to give some room to artistic license. And, in fact, as I was watching it, I was struck by how much it looked, in other ways, like they were trying to AVOID making it a movie about race. (I'll admit, this seems tough to do, as you point out, in a movie about that era.) That why I was disappointed when it looked like they (the producers, etc.), out of nowhere, gave in to the easy implication, without analysis or character development, when it came to how the parents treated the coach.

But I don't want to look like I hated the movie, because, as I said in my post, I liked it in many ways and was impressed by the actors' work. I just think it would be a better movie if they showed the thinking behind the opposition. Maybe I'll watch it again; it's possible I'm being unintentionally unfair.
 
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I guess we have a different definition of "moral ambiguity." It's not that key characters are flawless, it's that, in the issues critical to the storyline, you can't see the difficulty of the choices and issues before them and how both sides might (or might not be) both a bit right AND a bit wrong. You don't really see the "bad guys" side. To me, many well done villains are characters for whom the author or screenwriter or whoever gets inside their heads to see why they don't see themselves as "villains." They may still be villains, but when you see "the why", you see another layer to the conflict; it's not just a formula.

The guys in the barber shop -- all are white guys, as I recall -- and not just Johnny's dad, but esp. him, are pretty much clearly implied to be against the coach because he's being kind to the black autistic kid. My point is, there is no attempt to show what Johnny's dad or the others are thinking: are they decent people struggling with a prejudice, whether it be directed at mentally handicapped or a racial minority? Do they have a legitimate basis for opposing the coach? Or are they just yahoos? The movie shows them as guys who try to bully the coach and then shun him when he won't give into an unspecified prejudice. There's no attempt to show their side or their concerns or their thinking, so we can see if they are reasonable or not. All we see is, they want to win, they aren't winning, and here they got this liberal coach who's being nice to a black autistic kid -- so they'll be either bullies or moral cowards. But the implication remains.

I mean, we also could discuss the saintliness of the coach (re the central issue of Radio, as opposed to the side issue of his treatment of his own family) or the broad caricature of the state education bureaucrat, but I recognize it's a movie and we have to give some room to artistic license. And, in fact, as I was watching it, I was struck by how much it looked, in other ways, like they were trying to AVOID making it a movie about race. (I'll admit, this seems tough to do, as you point out, in a movie about that era.) That why I was disappointed when it looked like they (the producers, etc.), out of nowhere, gave in to the easy implication, without analysis or character development, when it came to how the parents treated the coach.

But I don't want to look like I hated the movie, because, as I said in my post, I liked it and was impressed by the actors' work. I just think it would be a better movie if they showed the thinking behind the opposition. Maybe I'll watch it again; it's possible I'm being unintentionally unfair.
Welcome to the cognitive dissonance that is the south today. In the same person you have a pray-a day good christian who will bend over backwards to help someone and at the same time look over their shoulder in a room full of white people and whisper something about a black or "colored" person. Very tough to to articulate the psychology of this. I have said many times that white on black racism in the south is alive and well but it is very subversive and some people have no idea what they are saying or doing can even be construed to be racist. I think they tried to articulate that in the movie by not making it outlandish.

The theme for most everything in the movie was that Radio challenged the other characters to assess their predilections. Everyone in the movie had some predilection motivating them. Yes it was general and broad (I see what you are getting at and agree). My point is (for example) that in the barber shop scenes, they are truly concerned about the football team and how the team is doing. I have been to several of these gatherings as a child and a grown up and it is a good representation of football friday nights in small South Carolina towns*Those scenes were very nostalgic for me. I can still smell the coffee and cigarettes. I even remember one story about the QB being drunk during the game and the coach still played him. It is very important to them yet they have a "conditioned" concern that Radio is causing problems (there was an obvious racial tension but Radio being black was never stated except by the principal).

I can tell you that those guys are not supposed to be racist yahoos or hicks. They are very good representations of people I am around everyday. I guess for me I might be desensitized to it as I have many friends and family I love that are just like those people in the movie.

It is really hard to understand how a person can cheer and root for a football team with black players on it while knowing they harbor racial biases and then seeing those biases arise during my day to day encounters.
 
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