Investigation Results

[Andy in Sactown]

returning near 20 players and arguably an easier sled...

2105 could be special. (as is the case with this year)

S05 TEXAS
S12 @ Virginia
S19 GEORGIA TECH
S26 UMASS
O03 @ Clemson
O10 NAVY
O17 SOUTHERN CAL
O31 @ Temple (Lincoln Financial-Philly)
N07 @ Pittsburgh
N14 WAKE FOREST
N21 BOSTON COLLEGE (Fenway Pk.)
N28 @ Stanford

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Finally after over 4 months my son got an answer! He is done at Notre Dame and will weigh his options for the future! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HeIsNDNoMore?src=hash">#HeIsNDNoMore</a></p>— Phillip Daniels (@PhillipDaniels) <a href="https://twitter.com/PhillipDaniels/status/522048577963450369">October 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Finally after over 4 months my son got an answer! He is done at Notre Dame and will weigh his options for the future! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HeIsNDNoMore?src=hash">#HeIsNDNoMore</a></p>— Phillip Daniels (@PhillipDaniels) <a href="https://twitter.com/PhillipDaniels/status/522048577963450369">October 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK

 

[BigIrish]

It sucks, but it's no surprise. The unfortunate thing is that Daniels may be guilty as sin, but we'll never know for sure because the university won't discuss it. But that won't stop his dad from telling a one-sided story to anybody who will listen.

This blows over soon enough though. I suspect that Phillip Daniels is already losing twitter followers as we speak.

 

[wizards8507]

It sucks, but it's no surprise. The unfortunate thing is that Daniels may be guilty as sin, but we'll never know for sure because the university won't discuss it. But that won't stop his dad from telling a one-sided story to anybody who will listen.

This blows over soon enough though. I suspect that Phillip Daniels is already losing twitter followers as we speak.

They don't kick kids out of school unless they're guilty as sin. Heck, Golson was guilty as sin and they let him back. This would imply that DD is guiltier-than-sin.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

2 results confirmed, 3 to go.

 

[CarrollVermin]

The day will come, and soon, when this is going to bite us in the ass.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I can understand a father backing his son. But ND would not have expelled DD had he not been proven guilty w/o doubt. Mr. Daniels should re-evaluate the things he says on twitter. Things that will inevitably paint the university in a bad light eventhough DD is the one who screwed up.

I think the rumor mill was pretty close to being true...just not getting the results most would've liked. KVR was long rumored to just be in the know. It would see that was in fact the case and why his sentencing was lighter in comparison to those who actually cheated. I'm not holding my breath that the other three will be back at ND.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

All I can say is...thank you Brian Kelly. He is building such a program that bumps in the road, such as this, are just rubbed off.

2015, if we're not preseason number 1...then who is?

An argument can be made we have the best players in the country on both sides of the ball...and they will both be back next year.

I'd like to see that very bad argument.

 

[wizards8507]

I think the rumor mill was pretty close to being true...just not getting the results most would've liked. KVR was long rumored just be in the know. It would see that was in fact the case and why his sentencing was lighter in comparison to those who actually cheated. I'm not holding my breath that the other three will be back at ND.

Unless DD and KVR got the same sentence and DD is just electing not to return next year.

 

[BigIrish]

The day will come, and soon, when this is going to bite us in the ass.

Daniels had already been declared academically ineligible last year. There's a very good chance that this expulsion is tied to that prior issue. Why is this going to bite us in the ass. Will recruits suddenly wake up and realize that ND is hard? Will they suddenly realize that ND doesn't condone cheating?

I just don't see it. Recruits already know what ND is about. Nothing that has happened here has changed that. And despite the length of the investigation, neither of the two players who have gone public would have been eligible to play this season, regardless of when they found out.

One can even make the argument that ND took the decision to suspend/expel a student very seriously, hence the time it took to deliberate. That won't be a popular sentiment, but valid nonetheless.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The day will come, and soon, when this is going to bite us in the ass.

How so? Because ND has integrity and stands by what is right and wrong? A kid cheated in school and is now being punished. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Golson was expelled last year for cheating. I look for the other three to follow DD.

 

[Huntr]

Unless DD and KVR got the same sentence and DD is just electing not to return next year.

I think Phil would be gloating and callng out ND on twitter if Davaris had pretty much gotten off.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Unless DD and KVR got the same sentence and DD is just electing not to return next year.

This is true. I shouldn't just assume. However, isn't KVR still enrolled? I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that KVR was just suspended from football, not expelled. Mr. Daniels tweet makes it seem like DD is done. As in, expelled and not returning. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[mooneytostle]

Daniels had already been declared academically ineligible last year. There's a very good chance that this expulsion is tied to that prior issue.

I am pretty sure he was suspended b/c he did not maintain a 2.0 GPA. Now, in the investigation could have uncovered things from past semesters that would have warranted him being kicked out for cheating as well, but that is not the general understanding of the reason for his absence in the spring

 

[BigIrish]

I can understand a father backing his son. But ND would not have expelled DD had he not been proven guilty w/o doubt. Mr. Daniels should re-evaluate the things he says on twitter. Things that will inevitably paint the university in a bad light eventhough DD is the one who screwed up.

I think the rumor mill was pretty close to being true...just not getting the results most would've liked. KVR was long rumored to just be in the know. It would see that was in fact the case and why his sentencing was lighter in comparison to those who actually cheated. I'm not holding my breath that the other three will be back at ND.

The only way in which the rumor mill has been true is that the first two of the five to go public will not play for ND this year. People need to be careful about perpetuating the rumor as fact that KVR was penalized simply for being in the know. There is not one shred of evidence yet to suggest that this rumor is true, despite the fact that KVR has spoken publicly on it.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A University spokesman says all five players are still enrolled at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>.</p>— Observer Sports (@ObserverSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/ObserverSports/status/522052178660585472">October 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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It would appear that they are going to let them finish the semester, unless there's a way to be enrolled without earning credit hours.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I don't see many ways that this will "bite us."

The potential areas of concern:
1). NDs reputation as a serious academic school --- this enhances image and gives ND bashers no ammunition;

2). NDs ability to play good football this year and next --- we are LOADED at receiver positions [heck, we're not even playing Brent yet] and do not need the DD "threat";

3). NDs ability to recruit really good football players --- I suppose if we're talking about marginal academic players like DD [his acceptance just barely made it in as it was] maybe. If we factor in the #1 above, that sounds like a positive with parents to me. My guess it only hurts us with people known by Philip Daniels and whoever "runs" Chicago amateur team football, with whom we already have poor relations apparently. I'll take my chances with Alford, Cooks, and Kelly over this factor.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

The only way in which the rumor mill has been true is that the first two of the five to go public will not play for ND this year. People need to be careful about perpetuating the rumor as fact that KVR was penalized simply for being in the know. There is not one shred of evidence yet to suggest that this rumor is true, despite the fact that KVR has spoken publicly on it.

As mentioned above, I've been under the impression that KVR was not expelled from ND. If true, then his punishment is less severe than DD being done. Which would imply that his offense was not as bad. I could be wrong about KVR still being enrolled though.

Edit: Just saw the tweet posted...perhaps they're all done and KVR is just electing to return. Changes my thinking a bit.

 

[BigIrish]

I am pretty sure he was suspended b/c he did not maintain a 2.0 GPA. Now, in the investigation could have uncovered things from past semesters that would have warranted him being kicked out for cheating as well, but that is not the general understanding of the reason for his absence in the spring

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. DD gets into academic trouble, and cheats in the process to try and keep himself eligible. He was suspended due to poor grades, but an investigation later confirms that he was cheating during that time period as well.

Among the few "facts" released by the university was that this investigation was taking a look back at prior semesters. Although not "officially" tied to one another, it's very possible that all of this is a result of the same series of missteps from DD.

 

[BigIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A University spokesman says all five players are still enrolled at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>.</p>— Observer Sports (@ObserverSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/ObserverSports/status/522052178660585472">October 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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It would appear that they are going to let them finish the semester, unless there's a way to be enrolled without earning credit hours.

there is not.

 

[wizards8507]

Ishaq gone for the year, plans to return.

 

[IrishLion]

Very confusing answer in the presser, but it sounds like Ishaq may have a chance to return, much like KVR, according to BK.

 

[#1rish]

Sooo so far:

KVR- Gone, plans to return in 2015
Ishaq - Gone, plans to return in 2015
DD- Gone, will not return
Moore
Hardy

 

[BobbyMac]

Questions up to this point:

1. Is KVR enrolled in school at this moment?

2. Is it possible DD was told he could apply for readmission after a suspension (regardless if football was part of the equation) and Team Daniels is choosing to get ready for the NFL instead?

.

 

[IrishLion]

Questions up to this point:

1. Is KVR enrolled in school at this moment?

Yes.

 

[wizards8507]

2. Is it possible DD was told he could apply for readmission after a suspension (regardless if football was part of the equation) and Team Daniels is choosing to get ready for the NFL instead?

Possible, yes. No indication of whether that is or isn't the case.

 

[BigIrish]

It's possible that ND is looking at DD's track record in general and has decided that a return is not in his or the university's best interests. It's also possible that DD doesn't like going to class and is ready to try and make some money in the NFL.

In terms of NFL potential, DD was probably the one most in need of a solid year to really improve his draft status. Ishaq is in a similar boat, but his ceiling probably isn't as high as DD's.

 

[jmurphy75]

My question is how is a normal student punished for something like this? It seems that they are just removed from football but still enrolled.

 

[wizards8507]

My question is how is a normal student punished for something like this? It seems that they are just removed from football but still enrolled.

I was given an F for the course. I was still enrolled and still a student in Good Standing (since my GPA was high enough in my other courses to compensate).