Interesting Test For Playoff Committee

[Irish YJ]

Current playoff contract runs through 2025 so no changes will happen anytime soon.

So CW finished out his contract?

 

[IrishinSyria]

So if you had to wager your life savings... on a PSU vs OSU game on a neutral field... you're telling me you would bet on PSU?

No, but I think conference championships AND head to head should matter.

How can a team be the national champion when they didn't win their own conference?

I think this is terrible for ND. It hurts us that they'll consider conference championships as a tie-breaker. But apparently they won't penalize a team for not winning their conference. So in the future, if we're in the conversation (say we're 11-1) we don't just have to worry about the 5 conference champions, we also have to worry about teams that didn't win their conference.


e. for example, this year, where do you think 11-1 ND would be ranked?

 

[IrishinSyria]

So CW finished out his contract?

You think they're going to fire the playoffs?

 

[Irish YJ]

No, but I think conference championships AND head to head should matter.

How can a team be the national champion when they didn't win their own conference?

I think this is terrible for ND. It hurts us that they'll consider conference championships as a tie-breaker. But apparently they won't penalize a team for not winning their conference. So in the future, if we're in the conversation (say we're 11-1) we don't just have to worry about the 5 conference champions, we also have to worry about teams that didn't win their conference.


e. for example, this year, where do you think 11-1 ND would be ranked?

The CFPC's charter is to get the best 4 teams in the CFP. If that's the case, then I believe they've done that. Until they expand the field to 8, including all conf champs, we'll always have this type of argument. BTW, I'm also a fan of conf champs getting the nod, but PSU is not the better team IMHO.

Edit... IMO, Mich would have beat OSU on a neutral field. and Mich smacked PSU around. The best BIG team could be debated on and on....

 

[Irish YJ]

You think they're going to fire the playoffs?

No, but point is that a contract does not mean things won't change. Agreements are made to be modified/changed/broken.

I did want to fire the BCS though....

 

[NDgradstudent]

The four teams Meyer has lost to at OSU: MSU (twice), VT, PSU, and Clemson.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

No way on the P5 conference champs all getting in. A team could conceivably be 7-5 and win it's conference. There's no way under the sun that a 7-5 team should be in the playoffs.

Bah. The NFL does it, and since CFB is hellbent on being NFL jr, why not.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The CFPC's charter is to get the best 4 teams in the CFP. If that's the case, then I believe they've done that. Until they expand the field to 8, including all conf champs, we'll always have this type of argument. BTW, I'm also a fan of conf champs getting the nod, but PSU is not the better team IMHO.

Edit... IMO, Mich would have beat OSU on a neutral field. and Mich smacked PSU around. The best BIG team could be debated on and on....

Yeah-I get the logic, just not a fan of it (partly because of the implications for ND).

I think we would have been the odd man looking out at 11-1 this year, because I think we a) lose to a conference champion with the same record and b) would lose to Ohio State in a SOS comparison.

What we need is for teams to not only be rewarded for winning their conference, but also to be penalized for failing to win. That way we wouldn't be competing with Ohio State and PSU this year, we would have been compared to PSU alone.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah-I get the logic, just not a fan of it (partly because of the implications for ND).

I think we would have been the odd man looking out at 11-1 this year, because I think we a) lose to a conference champion with the same record and b) would lose to Ohio State in a SOS comparison.

What we need is for teams to not only be rewarded for winning their conference, but also to be penalized for failing to win. That way we wouldn't be competing with Ohio State and PSU this year, we would have been compared to PSU alone.

Give me an eight team playoff. Solves everything, or at least 95 percent of the issues. USC/Wisc would be the only teams with any reason to bitch, and with 3 losses, not a lot of room to bitch if they were the ones without a seat (assuming one of the wild cards was WMU as the highest non P5 team and got an automatic bid).

 

[OCIrish]

In fact, a 16 team playoff would be right up my alley.

Check out these match-ups:

Bama vs Stanford
OSU vs Louisville
Clemson vs WVU
Washington vs OKST
PSU vs WMU
Mich vs Colorado
OU vs FSU
Wiscy vs USC

That would be some epic games.

Johnny, I really like that suggestion!!!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

They should play a 6 game season, and then have a 64 team playoff. When will it end?????

 

[johnnycando]

They should play a 6 game season, and then have a 64 team playoff. When will it end?????

Cmon man don't pout because your ideas was bad. Lol.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yeah you'd have to shorten the regular season to 11 games if you were going to do a 3 round playoff and 10 if you wanted a 4 round playoff.

I don't know how ND could participate in that format- our dudes take finals in between the regular season and the bowls. And I know a lot of y'all don't care but the school does.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah you'd have to shorten the regular season to 11 games if you were going to do a 3 round playoff and 10 if you wanted a 4 round playoff.

I don't know how ND could participate in that format- our dudes take finals in between the regular season and the bowls. And I know a lot of y'all don't care but the school does.

i don't think you have to shorten anything for an 8 team playoff (3 rounds). a little creativity goes a long way. basketball does more, i assume were there is a will/$, there is a way. and realistically, there are only two teams impacted for a third round.

 

[Irishnuke]

They got it right. NFW you put PSU in over OSU.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Cmon man don't pout because your ideas was bad. Lol.

Haha. I like my idea, but nobody else does. Sigh, story of my life........

 

[dwshade]

contracts can be modified.

They barely got the University Presidents to agree to do this. The chances of the getting them to agree to expand the playoffs before this contract expires is virtually zero.

 

[ND NYC]

wonder who would be playing for the title in the old BCS system

"turn those machines back on!"
-Randolph Duke
(or was it Mortimer)

 

[ACamp1900]

It should be play the bowls as you used to, no playoff bs, and use a plus one, or four team or whatever,... whenever needed imo... would have made the bowl games super meaningful again but obviously that ship sailed.

 

[johnnycando]

Haha. I like my idea, but nobody else does. Sigh, story of my life........

Nah it would be great if those byes you discussed weren't reserved for SEC teams.

 

[phork]

Current playoff contract runs through 2025 so no changes will happen anytime soon.

Trust me, if the PAC and BIG12 were frozen out for 3 BIG10 teams, shit would have been discussed.

No, but I think conference championships AND head to head should matter.

How can a team be the national champion when they didn't win their own conference?

I think this is terrible for ND. It hurts us that they'll consider conference championships as a tie-breaker. But apparently they won't penalize a team for not winning their conference. So in the future, if we're in the conversation (say we're 11-1) we don't just have to worry about the 5 conference champions, we also have to worry about teams that didn't win their conference.


e. for example, this year, where do you think 11-1 ND would be ranked?

An 11-1 ND would be in. 12-0 is automatic, 11-1 is almost as much. Hell ND almost got in at 10-2 last year.

The CFPC's charter is to get the best 4 teams in the CFP. If that's the case, then I believe they've done that. Until they expand the field to 8, including all conf champs, we'll always have this type of argument. BTW, I'm also a fan of conf champs getting the nod, but PSU is not the better team IMHO.

Edit... IMO, Mich would have beat OSU on a neutral field. and Mich smacked PSU around. The best BIG team could be debated on and on....

Give me an eight team playoff. Solves everything, or at least 95 percent of the issues. USC/Wisc would be the only teams with any reason to bitch, and with 3 losses, not a lot of room to bitch if they were the ones without a seat (assuming one of the wild cards was WMU as the highest non P5 team and got an automatic bid).

We essentially have 8 now. Alabama/Florida, Washington/Colorado, PSU/Wisc, Clemson vs VTech. What needs to happen in conferences is to get rid of divisions. Play 9 conference games and then the top2 play for the championship.

If you expand to 8 team playoffs then games like Michigan/OSU and some other last game rivalries become meaningless. When all the marbles are on the line these games because hellaciously intense. I think 4 is right. 12-0, 11-1, 11-1 & 11-1 is about the 4 best teams.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Say ND went 11-1 this year- what team do we knock out from this group of 4?

Because I think we'd be sitting at #5.

 

[irishff1014]

Say ND went 11-1 this year- what team do we knock out from this group of 4?

Because I think we'd be sitting at #5.

I bet we would be sitting at 6 behind Penn State.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I bet we would be sitting at 6 behind Penn State.

Given our schedule this year, I think there would have been a lot of debate about us and Penn State IF not having won your conference was disqualifying as long as there are other comparable teams in play. As it is, I agree- #5 or 6 seems as high as we could reasonably hope for.

Depending on how exactly we went 11-1 we might also be at 7 behind Michigan. Our best win would have been over a (presumably) 8-4 USC and/or Stanford.

 

[Irish#1]

Penn St has a legit complaint IMO. It could be argued they should rep the B1G instead of OSU. OSU has not looked that impressive in winning the rest of their schedule.

This has ESPN's fingerprints all over it. You have representation from the West, East and middle of the country. OSU arguably is one of the top two or three programs that will travel with huge numbers and will draw big on TV.

Everyone will watch to see if UW is legit going against a blue-blood. Bama & OSU won't meet until the CG assuming they both win. Saban vs. Meyer, Bama vs. OSU. Two blue-bloods going head to head.

Except for Bama, I'm not sure any other team in the country would have been treated the same as OSU.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I think the playoff committee is a fuggin joke. PSU beat OSU head-to-head AND won the conference championship. I don't give shit about the eye test, PSU did what they needed to do and got royally screwed. I feel horrible for PSU fans at the moment. Smh.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I think the playoff committee is a fuggin joke. PSU beat OSU head-to-head AND won the conference championship. I don't give shit about the eye test, PSU did what they needed to do and got royally screwed. I feel horrible for PSU fans at the moment. Smh.

But the eye test is part of the equation to determine the 4 best teams. PSU lost 2 games. Too many people are getting hung up on 1 factor such as conference championship, head-to-head, SOS, etc. All of those things are factors, but none of them are the be all, end all. It's about determining who the 4 best teams are, and all those things are just part of that. I think the committee got it right this year.

 

[phork]

I think the playoff committee is a fuggin joke. PSU beat OSU head-to-head AND won the conference championship. I don't give shit about the eye test, PSU did what they needed to do and got royally screwed. I feel horrible for PSU fans at the moment. Smh.

PSU also got ass hammered by Michigan by 39 points. You can't just dismiss that. They also lost to an 8-4 Pitt team. OSUs loss, 3 points by a freak play on the road.

 

[NorthDakota]

Say ND went 11-1 this year- what team do we knock out from this group of 4?

Because I think we'd be sitting at #5.

Depends who the loss was to. If it was not USC, I think ND would be ahead of Washington.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Depends who the loss was to. If it was not USC, I think ND would be ahead of Washington.

Yeah, it would be an argument but looking at the selection criteria for "comparable" teams I think we lose.

Winning a conference championship=tiebreaker vs Notre Dame
Not winning the conference you're in=no penalty

I think this is terrible precedent for us. We'll see*.


*i hope we're good enough soon to find out