If you sold your tickets to a UGAfan

[stlnd01]

The thing I can't figure out is that they actually DID crack down on me when I tried to sell that $3,000 table I bought for the Fenway game. Those weren't even part of Notre Dame's ticket quota, they were the Boston Red Sox' / Fenway Park's tickets and I still got a call from Donor Services when I had them up on StubHub.

If you were selling tickets you didn't purchase through ND on Stubhub, how did they know it was you?

FWIW, Notre Dame now has a partnership with VividSeats. They appear to be a wannabe Stubhub? A VividSeats pamphlet CAME WITH MY TICKETS this year, as they're the official re-sale website of Notre Dame Football.
So I'm guessing the university stopped giving a fuck about all this as long as they're getting a piece of the resale action too.

 

[stlnd01]

You guys are missing the point. You shouldn't be buying tickets with the thought of profit. Either buy the tickets to support the team, or don't. You're what's wrong with this fan base.

I don't think people who sell season tickets are buying them "with the thought of profit." Most who get them through the alumni lottery aren't either. People wind up getting more tickets than they need through the lottery. Season-ticket holders can't make a couple of weeks. Plans change between April - when you apply for tickets - and October. Friends you think are coming decide to stay home at the last minute. All that's a lot more common than people buying with the intention to re-sell at a big markup.

And when it comes to having extra tickets, I've lost money more times than I can count. For all sorts of games, even big ones. Actually been laughed at by Notre Dame fans when I tried to sell them at face value. Once had a guy outside the stadium brag to me how he never goes for less than half-price, and hasn't missed a game in years. That's nice, guy, but I'm out $80.

So on the rare occasion people have the chance to sell a pair they can't use at a significant profit, I'm not getting too bent out of shape about it.

 

[irishtrain]

Strongly disagree. Lots of people would give an arm to be able to afford season tickets. Those people wouldn't have sold out. The ticket process is broken. Get these fair weather jokers out of the stadium

To ask a question like that is bad real bad and Kelly thanks for the correct answer---I for one can only get tickets to the spring game and drive 700 miles for that with an overnight so don't tell me there is nothing wrong with selling your &^%$#& tickets. What I witnessed last night was the worst display of Notre Dame spirit and culture that could ever be on record---appalling

 

[AgentJ]

Meh. Save me the BS. A message was sent last night to Swarbrick/ND. The people don't support this team and they shouldn't. BK needs to go. I'm glad it happened and I would have sold my ticket too. Making an easy $1,000 to not watch this team play? I'm in! ND football is a joke anymore. I used to be so passionate about it, even when we were going 6-6 or 8-4 every year. Now? Meh.

 

[ThePiombino]

Meh. Save me the BS. A message was sent last night to Swarbrick/ND. The people don't support this team and they shouldn't. BK needs to go. I'm glad it happened and I would have sold my ticket too. Making an easy $1,000 to not watch this team play? I'm in! ND football is a joke anymore. I used to be so passionate about it, even when we were going 6-6 or 8-4 every year. Now? Meh.

Bye, Felicia.

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[IrishLax]

Just to clarify, because I'm not sure it still works this way, but the faculty still gets tickets included in their compensation right?

Because that's where a large part of the issue is coming from (I think)... I know there are many faculty who have zero interest in football and resell 100% of their tickets. Just not sure what the raw number is.

 

[IrishMoore1]

I completely agree with you, Wooly.

Guys, how would the school address this issue and enforce ticket sales to ND fans? Is it a problem with the school or the fans?

 

[ulukinatme]

Meh. Save me the BS. A message was sent last night to Swarbrick/ND. The people don't support this team and they shouldn't. BK needs to go. I'm glad it happened and I would have sold my ticket too. Making an easy $1,000 to not watch this team play? I'm in! ND football is a joke anymore. I used to be so passionate about it, even when we were going 6-6 or 8-4 every year. Now? Meh.

 

[irisheyes]

Just to clarify, because I'm not sure it still works this way, but the faculty still gets tickets included in their compensation right?

Because that's where a large part of the issue is coming from (I think)... I know there are many faculty who have zero interest in football and resell 100% of their tickets. Just not sure what the raw number is.

yes this is where a large number are coming from. I know a couple of people every year who sell their tickets that are retired from ND.

I think most of them usually sell to the same person every year so then it gets passed on to the buyer.

either way i dont care. The blame is on the university. That stadium could be filled to the brim in green, blue, or whatever the hell color they pick for the shirt. You have to donate $1500+ just to get into the lottery if you arent alumni. They spent all that money on stadium renovations to remove 3000 seats and add vip boxes. They did the same with compton. A personal alumni friend whos had hockey tickets since way before it was popular had first row seats when it was in the joyce. Then slowly ticket prices went up with compton and he had to move back rows, finally it cost so much now he only goes to a couple a year. this guy didnt miss an ice hockey game, hes retired and was there every night now its filled with people who dont even know what icing a puck is.

Notre Dame is and will continue to slowly price everyone out of the stadium. Same as the yankees did when they built their new stadium. I dont even want to get started on concessions. Notre dame has one of the largest fan bases in the country despite their play. They could easily sell out a stadium the size of the big house every game.

 

[Free Manera]

yes this is where a large number are coming from. I know a couple of people every year who sell their tickets that are retired from ND.

I think most of them usually sell to the same person every year so then it gets passed on to the buyer.

either way i dont care. The blame is on the university. That stadium could be filled to the brim in green, blue, or whatever the hell color they pick for the shirt. You have to donate $1500+ just to get into the lottery if you arent alumni. They spent all that money on stadium renovations to remove 3000 seats and add vip boxes. They did the same with compton. A personal alumni friend whos had hockey tickets since way before it was popular had first row seats when it was in the joyce. Then slowly ticket prices went up with compton and he had to move back rows, finally it cost so much now he only goes to a couple a year. this guy didnt miss an ice hockey game, hes retired and was there every night now its filled with people who dont even know what icing a puck is.

Notre Dame is and will continue to slowly price everyone out of the stadium. Same as the yankees did when they built their new stadium. I dont even want to get started on concessions. Notre dame has one of the largest fan bases in the country despite their play. They could easily sell out a stadium the size of the big house every game.

In theory the color issue could be easily fixed by doing what PSU does for white outs- print "wear green" or "wear blue" on the tickets. However that doesn't work if the faculty and other picnickers say shit like "oh green, heavens no. That will clash horribly with my scarf"

I didn't know there were so many faculty tickets allotted. That's a pretty glaring problem if you ask me considering the disdain for football many of them hold.

 

[NDohio]

Georgia coaches definitely thought that the crowd made a difference in their ability to run their offense.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2017/9/...-irish-dexter-williams-brian-kelly-jake-fromm

I'm proud of our fans. Proud of the fact that they came out. The video shots I saw from Chicago before the game and take-over when we got here, that played a role in this game. So we never felt like it was so much of a road game. I mean, there was times our quarterback was able to go for his own cadence, which you don't usually get to do on the road. You don't get to do it on the road in the SEC, the fan base don't let you do that. We were able to go with ours and I thought a lot of it had to do with the red and black.

 

[GowerND11]

I don't think you have any control of who buys a ticket once you put it up on stubhub, yeah?

Correct, I believe, but the problem is deeper than that.

The problem for ND football is that we are, whether people like this comparison or not, the Yankees of CFB. Therefore, we are not just hated by our rivals, but by fans all across the land. Georgia fans hate ND and everything about us. From perceiving us as perpetually overrated (ironic coming from Georgia but w/e), to Catholicism, to Lena Kakua, and so. Fans for every team loathe us.

So, now their team is traveling north of the Mason-Dixon line for the first time in these fans' lifetimes. They make a coordinated effort to show up en masse to take over the stadium. While these fans continue to spit hate and claim ND is irrelevant they snatch up as many tickets as possible for a ONCE IN A LIFETIME opportunity to come to ND to watch a game. While many fans of ND that are not alumni also "make the pilgrimage" to ND every year, they have 7 chances to do so, and it is far cheaper for these fans to make a game against Temple, Miami (OH), and so on. Add to the fact that many alumni are not happy with the program, and would rather say FU and pocket money, you get a large amount of tickets on the secondary market.

As a non alum ND fan, I have made several trips to see games, however living in PA it is extremely hard to justify making the game, especially as a teacher. I would more than likely have to take a Friday off work for the drive, which is tough being that last week was our first week of school. So, right there the logistics prevented this fan from going.

Then there is the price. Since Georgia fans, like Nebraska and Texas fans, HATE ND just because, and because they have one chance to get to a game in South Bend, they consumed the market for the tickets, hence why the prices skyrocketed. Many ND fans, I'm sure, who wanted to go to a home game this year, without season tickets, probably wrote the game off as soon as they saw the prices. "We can just go to the Temple game, the Miami (OH) game," and so on. This will not happen when ND goes to Georgia because, while there will be many ND fans wanting to go, they will not be able to take tickets from Georgia season ticket holders. Why? Because 1, Georgia fans hate ND and want to make sure they watch their "Dawgs" whoop on some Irish ass. 2, Georgia fans who can't make it will have pride and sell their tickets to other Georgia fans. And 3, because, unlike ND fans, they are terrified of how their stadium would look if it wasn't 90% red/white.

 

[Southside Sully]

I completely agree with you, Wooly.

Guys, how would the school address this issue and enforce ticket sales to ND fans? Is it a problem with the school or the fans?

At many concerts that I've been at lately to prevent scalping, they are having people use their credit cards that were used to purchase the tickets to get in the door.. This has worked pretty well to limit scalping. Could be an idea for big ND games at home in the future.

 

[Southside Sully]

Then there is the price. Since Georgia fans, like Nebraska and Texas fans, HATE ND just because, and because they have one chance to get to a game in South Bend, they consumed the market for the tickets, hence why the prices skyrocketed. Many ND fans, I'm sure, who wanted to go to a home game this year, without season tickets, probably wrote the game off as soon as they saw the prices. "We can just go to the Temple game, the Miami (OH) game," and so on. This will not happen when ND goes to Georgia because, while there will be many ND fans wanting to go, they will not be able to take tickets from Georgia season ticket holders. Why? Because 1, Georgia fans hate ND and want to make sure they watch their "Dawgs" whoop on some Irish ass. 2, Georgia fans who can't make it will have pride and sell their tickets to other Georgia fans. And 3, because, unlike ND fans, they are terrified of how their stadium would look if it wasn't 90% red/white.

Couldn't disagree more.. At the game this weekend, many of the Georgia fans were very nice, respectful, buying tons of Notre Dame gear. They were all saying how they watched ND growing up, and this was on their bucket list always to get there.. The campus is so beautiful. I had Georgia fans in front of me at the Bears game yesterday and they said the exact same thing. I didn't meet one Georgia fan who said they hate Notre Dame once. I could say the exact same of all the Texas fans I met 2 years ago as well in South Bend. This statement is just false.

 

[RDU Irish]

As a season ticket holder since 2009 if a ticket holder is caught for selling your ticket for more than the listed price you lose your privilege if ND finds out.

BS - They haven't enforced this hardly ever which is why they revoked the policy and partnered with Vivid. It was a toothless law that has since been revoked.

ND is looking to expand their season tickets by 10,000 which is somewhat hilarious given the seat fees and product on the field for the last 25 years. This is what happens when organizations actively seek out maximum ticket pricing. Free market is telling them their prices are too high. The incentives of longevity are gone so why not just dump them when the team is not great and pick up those half price tickets on game day if you feel like going!

STL makes the valid point of those who brag about never paying face value (exact same as paying face value for a game like this) versus those that eat tickets all the time. Vivid will have no problem taking a 25% cut on transactions just like StubHub - that is how much value there is in making this market. It is pure Pollyanna, unicorn horn wishful thinking to believe this can be policed - better to partner and get a cut, as well as be privy to the underlying information of who is buying.

My tickets sold on StubHub - mailed them to Georgia, not much I could do about who made the buy. I was trying to set up an RV trip with some friends and our kids but it fell through - I knew I wouldn't be stuck with the tickets if it did fall through. Also bought NC State tickets that now we can't use and I'm sure ten people will PM me offering half price to take them.

Not many games are worth $1000 a seat - week 2 matchup b/w teams that combined for 12-13 last year is damn near impossible to imagine as one that fits the bill.

 

[NDohio]

Couldn't disagree more.. At the game this weekend, many of the Georgia fans were very nice, respectful, buying tons of Notre Dame gear. They were all saying how they watched ND growing up, and this was on their bucket list always to get there.. The campus is so beautiful. I had Georgia fans in front of me at the Bears game yesterday and they said the exact same thing. I didn't meet one Georgia fan who said they hate Notre Dame once. I could say the exact same of all the Texas fans I met 2 years ago as well in South Bend. This statement is just false.

Opposing fans hated us when we were dominant(that was a long time ago). Now they simply respect the history of ND and want to be a part of their team playing in South Bend.

 

[dublinirish]

My tickets sold on StubHub - mailed them to Georgia

Judas.

 

[RDU Irish]

Judas.

Thinking of parlaying the profits into Duke/ND basketball tickets. Bonzie and Brey deserve some road support.

 

[stlnd01]

Couldn't disagree more.. At the game this weekend, many of the Georgia fans were very nice, respectful, buying tons of Notre Dame gear. They were all saying how they watched ND growing up, and this was on their bucket list always to get there.. The campus is so beautiful. I had Georgia fans in front of me at the Bears game yesterday and they said the exact same thing. I didn't meet one Georgia fan who said they hate Notre Dame once. I could say the exact same of all the Texas fans I met 2 years ago as well in South Bend. This statement is just false.

Yeah. They don't come because they hate Notre Dame. They come because they respect it and want to experience the place. A Georgia fan I know who went this weekend had never been, came away so impressed hebwants his daughter to apply to college there.

 

[RDU Irish]

"cheapest" season ticket is $1150 for upper endzone seats - anyone is going to buy at least a pair so you are $2300 out to have guaranteed crappiest seat in the house for all home games. $1550 lower endzone, $1850 upper corner, $2200 lower corner, up to $4200 for the best seats in the house. That is a lot of scratch for "loyalty" - the value just isn't there. If you can get half your nut back from one game and enjoy the rest you might validate it financially. ND has exploited loyalty with a lackluster product backing it up - and now wonder why they are so much lighter on season ticket holders?

All you cheap pricks be sure to offer 1/7th of the gift amount above face value next time you milk a season ticket holder (yeah right). Sports are expensive to attend - most rational people have to show some discretion.

At the same time - you can get into a game for $45 now. That is something a family can pull off and plenty of tickets to be had there.

 

[ginman]

Not only did it look bad -it sounded bad. I don't know what the ratio of ND to UGA fans was, but I started the game on the radio and was so confused because it sounded like a UGA home game.

 

[wizards8507]

Guys, how would the school address this issue and enforce ticket sales to ND fans?

They can't enforce ticket sales to ND fans but they can enforce ticket sales above face value (which serves the same purpose). Monitor StubHub and revoke the ticket privileges of anyone selling tickets over face value.

Sure, that wouldn't prevent ticket holders from selling to visiting fans at or below face value, but if you're going to sell your tickets at or below face value you might as well just return them to the ticket office through official channels.

 

[dublinirish]

They can't enforce ticket sales to ND fans but they can enforce ticket sales above face value (which serves the same purpose). Monitor StubHub and revoke the ticket privileges of anyone selling tickets over face value.

Sure, that wouldn't prevent ticket holders from selling to visiting fans at or below face value, but if you're going to sell your tickets at or below face value you might as well just return them to the ticket office through official channels.

or do what some musicians are doing now (ed sheeran for one) and have the buyer's name printed on the ticket which makes ID required to get entry to the event and thus eliminate the secondary market. If you are buying season tickets to ND football then you are buying them to watch football end of story. If you don't plan to do that then dont buy them and spend your money in Walmart on saturday afternoons instead.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I don't care if they hate us
I don't care if they respect us.
I don't care if you think that the ND ticket policy is unfair.
I don't care if you think that the ticket prices are too high.
I don't care if you lost money on previous tickets you had.

I do care that we gave away our home field advantage and that our home stadium had almost as many Georgia fans as Irish fans. The whole stub hub excuse of not knowing who the tickets were going to be bought by is stupid AF. You knew that their was a 90% chance those tickets were going to be bought by a Bulldog fan. Hey, I guess you got enough money to go out and buy a bitching new big screen TV. Sleep good.

 

[wizards8507]

So, they obviously could enforce the resale policy if they really wanted to, but they probably know that it's rampant enough that if they did do anything about it they'd lose too many ticket holders...and that's $$$, and Notre Dame doesn't do anything to stifle revenue these days.

How would they lose money cracking down on resale?

Scenario 1: Allow Resale
Joe buys a ticket for $100 and sells it to Steve for $200.
Notre Dame - Gets $100 from Joe
Joe - Profits $100
Steve - Spends $200 and gets to attend the game.

Scenario 2: Crack Down on Resale
Joe does not buy a ticket because he can't profit from it. Steve buys Joe's ticket from Notre Dame for $100.
Notre Dame - Gets $100 from Steve
Joe - Does not profit
Steve - Spends $100 and gets to attend the game

Notre Dame is still getting exactly the same amount of money as they were before... face value for the ticket. The only difference is that the scalper doesn't get to profit and the "real fan" gets to attend the game for face value.

If you were selling tickets you didn't purchase through ND on Stubhub, how did they know it was you?

The Fenway Group gave them to the University to sell on their behalf. It was part of some special charity thing. ND bundled them up with some other things (a parking pass and a wristband to a pregame party) and the "bundle" was an ND product.

 

[woolybug25]

Thinking of parlaying the profits into Duke/ND basketball tickets. Bonzie and Brey deserve some road support.

Maybe you can sell those to Duke fans and complete your betrayal circle.

Then take those profits and find a new team to buy season tickets for, because with fans like you, who needs rivals...

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Maybe you can sell those to Duke fans and complete your betrayal circle.

Then take those profits and find a new team to buy season tickets for, because with fans like you, who needs rivals...

Simmer on down, game is at Duke. So hes trying to support a team that is actually doing good and should get everyone's support here, but doesn't and no one says a word about it. Hes showing himself to be more a fan than most people who come out to support ND twelve days a year and complain about them for eleven, because as soon as that last game is done theyre done. And everyone is complaining about people selling their tickets for so much but miss the point that if the prices were not driven up they could have been sold to other ND fans who might have been able to afford it then and not the Georgia fans that see a once in a lifetime opportunity.

 

[Legacy]

We don't have the large alumni base that state universities have with the subsequent potential demand. We price seating beyond what some fans can afford. Also, a top end hotel room for Friday or Saturday ran $600+ per night. Season ticket holders have to give donations to the University prior to choosing seating, which is now not only based on the Tier system for games but adjusted for sites within the stadium. These costs for attending this type of game eliminates many other Irish fans and presses local businesses who contract for season tickets to consider selling their seats to the highest bidder. If they pass along the tickets to their valued employees locally or regionally, the ticket demand and subsequent high prices invite those employees or businesses to resale the tickets, especially if they are not necessarily Irish fans, to compensate for their annual costs or for individuals to just make a quick profit.

Some Georgia fans were willing to pay $4000 for four tickets, $1200 for two nights in a hotel, $200-300 at the bookstore, food and gas for a two day drive or plane flight costs. A large local fanbase within driving distance to their opponents campus mitigates ticket resale, even if the initial game ticket price is $200, which is not the case with most SEC game tickets.

Georgia fans seemed respectful, appreciative of the opportunity to play us and to visit the campus and, in a way, touch on our history, and had open wallets. The Game Day shirts were gone by Friday night, for instance. Consider it a neutral site game as far as attendance with tickets another commodity in the free enterprise market of college football.

You could eliminate all season tickets except for luxury box seats and restrict ticket distribution to lottery and through alumni groups.

We lost by one to a team that may play for the SEC championship before a neutral site attendance crowd. Even if they had lost, Georgia fans looked on this as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Many are demanding more games agains the top teams outside the South now - but would play ND in another home-and-home in a heartbeat.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Most people sell tickets to other Domers at face value

Edit:
Obviously that is an incorrect statement based upon this past weekend.

Let me rephrase. Most people I know sell tickets to other Domers at face value.

 

[woolybug25]

Simmer on down, game is at Duke. So hes trying to support a team that is actually doing good and should get everyone's support here, but doesn't and no one says a word about it. Hes showing himself to be more a fan than most people who come out to support ND twelve days a year and complain about them for eleven, because as soon as that last game is done theyre done. And everyone is complaining about people selling their tickets for so much but miss the point that if the prices were not driven up they could have been sold to other ND fans who might have been able to afford it then and not the Georgia fans that see a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Bullshit. If the team doesn't deserve your support, then don't buy the tickets. We haven't had a game in my life that didn't sell out, so don't act like there wasn't demand from ND fans. Selling them to UGA fans for more profit has nothing to do with the quality of product on the field. No one in this thread is saying it's a betrayal to not buy tickets, we're saying it's betrayal to sell them to our opponents for profit. Which again, is against policy and contributed to this loss. Don't believe the last part? Then ask any UGA fan or their coach, the latter of which specifically stated.