How good are the DBs going to be this year?

[Irish2155]

For the most part,... This,...

It's rare to find a secondary that 'excels' behind a weak pass rush. The defense as a whole will prob. live and die on two things, first, health/depth,... second, how the front develops in terms of applying pressure...

Smart man, I agree 100%

 

[alohagoirish]

Secondary will be alright but not sold they will be great.

Max on Steele's AA list is a joke. He had a good game to end the year and lots of bad plays and games all year. That rating is pure speculation, Steele looking for something to be different. I guarantee you will not see MAX on any other AA list.

Butler is simply a liability and hopefully we don't need to depend on him.

Russell will have to work through the rust--he's a talent no doubt but no 2014, no spring, expect him to take a few games and unfortunately our schedule is frontloaded so that doesn't help much.

Overall we should be good at starting corner--Safety has supposed to be good for awhile and yet underperforms as a position for the last couple of years. Its unclear what exactly we will get.

LB has questions with JOE S trying to comeback from injury and Morgan still likely needing another year after struggling so much last season... pass rush is another huge question mark.

So both LBs in coverage and pass rush from the DEs will impact the secondary play for obvious reasons.

Don't fool yourselves , defense will have a long way to go after finishing 81st in total defense--and yes we played better against LSU but they still had 300 yards rushing and could not put much pressure on the secondary since they featured one of the worst two QBs we played all season.

Secondary has potential but with a frontloaded schedule it needs to surface from the opening bell to be more then potential!

 

[ACamp1900]

I think maybe Redfield's sudden popularity nationally is half based on potential, half prisoner-of-the-moment after a million tackles against mighty LSU, and half based on BK's comments.

That's 3/2!

Max IS ManBearPig

 

[Irish2155]

having good DB's covering can give DLine more time to get to the QB..its a symbiotic relationship really

Understand your point but not necessarily true, doesn't work that way. DLinemen get stonewalled against OLinemen. Doesn't happen like that in the D-backfield. Deion Sanders can only chase someone allover the field for so long...

 

[GoIrish41]

Secondary will be alright but not sold they will be great.

Max on Steele's AA list is a joke. He had a good game to end the year and lots of bad plays and games all year. That rating is pure speculation, Steele looking for something to be different. I guarantee you will not see MAX on any other AA list.

Butler is simply a liability and hopefully we don't need to depend on him.

Russell will have to work through the rust--he's a talent no doubt but no 2014, no spring, expect him to take a few games and unfortunately our schedule is frontloaded so that doesn't help much.

Overall we should be good at starting corner--Safety has supposed to be good for awhile and yet underperforms as a position for the last couple of years. Its unclear what exactly we will get.

LB has questions with JOE S trying to comeback from injury and Morgan still likely needing another year after struggling so much last season... pass rush is another huge question mark.

So both LBs in coverage and pass rush from the DEs will impact the secondary play for obvious reasons.

Don't fool yourselves , defense will have a long way to go after finishing 81st in total defense--and yes we played better against LSU but they still had 300 yards rushing and could not put much pressure on the secondary since they featured one of the worst two QBs we played all season.

Secondary has potential but with a frontloaded schedule it needs to surface from the opening bell to be more then potential!

This post made me cry. Off season is about me justifying how we can win the nattie and you just dashed that dream on the rocks. Thanks man.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This post made me cry. Off season is about me justifying how we can win the nattie and you just dashed that dream on the rocks. Thanks man.

Seriously what a Debbie Downer.


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[woolybug25]

Seriously what a Debbie Downer.


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No kidding. Aloha is always a pessimist. He's the only unhappy person in Hawaii. lol

 

[alohagoirish]

Na, its a clear beautiful day out here and that always makes me smile . Its just I have seen too many mirages from south bend to be sure if its real or if its Memorex!

Many years of happy sunshine and sunsets out here for me , but I grew up in Missouri so Kelly really needs to show me this season. Last two seasons have not been what we all hoped & expected would follow after 2012 , far ,far from it. 2015 Kelly needs to field a great team .

 

[Sherm Sticky]

No kidding. Aloha is always a pessimist. He's the only unhappy person in Hawaii. lol

Lol


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[ulukinatme]

Max IS ManBearPig

 

[Irish#1]

Secondary will be alright but not sold they will be great.

Max on Steele's AA list is a joke. He had a good game to end the year and lots of bad plays and games all year. That rating is pure speculation, Steele looking for something to be different. I guarantee you will not see MAX on any other AA list.

Butler is simply a liability and hopefully we don't need to depend on him.

Russell will have to work through the rust--he's a talent no doubt but no 2014, no spring, expect him to take a few games and unfortunately our schedule is frontloaded so that doesn't help much.

Overall we should be good at starting corner--Safety has supposed to be good for awhile and yet underperforms as a position for the last couple of years. Its unclear what exactly we will get.

LB has questions with JOE S trying to comeback from injury and Morgan still likely needing another year after struggling so much last season... pass rush is another huge question mark.

So both LBs in coverage and pass rush from the DEs will impact the secondary play for obvious reasons.

Don't fool yourselves , defense will have a long way to go after finishing 81st in total defense--and yes we played better against LSU but they still had 300 yards rushing and could not put much pressure on the secondary since they featured one of the worst two QBs we played all season.

Secondary has potential but with a frontloaded schedule it needs to surface from the opening bell to be more then potential!

Please don't render an opinion on the offense.

 

[Irish2155]

Our corners are two of the best in the country. That is for sure, both mid to high draft picks. Best duo?...I say up there for sure but I don't follow other teams as much. Who has better corners than us?

 

[alohagoirish]

Offense will clearly be the strength of the team ,but yes there are still issues on offense as well.

Starting with Kelly/Malik, the approach of Kelly's scheme, and the offensive line.

Malik looks to be a wonderful talent but he has in his career one single TD pass and 400 yards. Expecting wire to wire stellar play from this youngster may simply be too demanding an expectation.

The offensive line only returns two starters and may only have one great player in Stanley. Yes on paper the guys we put in can be very good , that's in theory, and our schedule does not allow a long period to gel.

Last year we had a turnover laden but highly productive scoring offense ,it was built , likely overbuilt, on Golsons arm with little dedication to the run game. This year Kelly needs to build the offense around Maliks running skills and the overall run game with our RBs. Its unclear how Coach Kelly will handle this week in and week out since it is counterintuitive for his historical philosophy on offense..

We all know Kelly would prefer to pass and score then any other method , he used "some " restraint in 2012 with Golson a newbie ,but he had had the security blanket of a TOP 10 defense, no such luxury in 2015. Actually the offense will need to control the clock and keep the defense off the field.

Ironically the strength of the offense is our deep and talented stable of WRs , and yet Kelly needs to use self control and not turn Malik into EG throwing 40 times despite the talent at wideout.

TE is also a question mark. Koyack was overrated and was the weakest guy in that position we have had in awhile here at TE U. We have a great looking roster of young guys but who steps up and when as the next great TE is not crystal.

At RB, Folston is a good looking back that appears to be ready to step up big, I like his progress. But Bryant has been a disappearing 5 star and Prosise has had so much hype from Kelly that alone begs the question on how many touches he actually gets.

Offense will be good, but can we get 32/35 points a game, I doubt that. Can we control the clock , score heavy when we get to the red zone , move the ball on 3rd down well, that's the best bet for 2015 and its not the typical Kelly offense. So our coaches self control is an issue.

It will be interesting. Potential is very high with an outstanding athlete at QB ,lots of speed at the skill spots ,and lots of size on the OLINE. But it needs to blend into a consistent identity right out of the gate. Overall though Confidence in the offense justifiably should be much higher then the defense.

 

[woolybug25]

Get out...

 

[ulukinatme]

 

[dales5050]

Secondary will be alright but not sold they will be great.

Max on Steele's AA list is a joke. He had a good game to end the year and lots of bad plays and games all year. That rating is pure speculation, Steele looking for something to be different. I guarantee you will not see MAX on any other AA list.

Butler is simply a liability and hopefully we don't need to depend on him.

Russell will have to work through the rust--he's a talent no doubt but no 2014, no spring, expect him to take a few games and unfortunately our schedule is frontloaded so that doesn't help much.

Overall we should be good at starting corner--Safety has supposed to be good for awhile and yet underperforms as a position for the last couple of years. Its unclear what exactly we will get.

LB has questions with JOE S trying to comeback from injury and Morgan still likely needing another year after struggling so much last season... pass rush is another huge question mark.

So both LBs in coverage and pass rush from the DEs will impact the secondary play for obvious reasons.

Don't fool yourselves , defense will have a long way to go after finishing 81st in total defense--and yes we played better against LSU but they still had 300 yards rushing and could not put much pressure on the secondary since they featured one of the worst two QBs we played all season.

Secondary has potential but with a frontloaded schedule it needs to surface from the opening bell to be more then potential!

Dude....

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jgLq2B1P0NU/maxresdefault.jpg

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Seriously.

Two horrible posts of epic proportion. Lets get your take on ST just for shits and giggles.

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you just ragged on the entire team and what you used to back up that opinion is a joke. Do better. Too much sun and surfing, perhaps.

 

[Irish#1]

Offense will clearly be the strength of the team ,but yes there are still issues on offense as well.

Starting with Kelly/Malik, the approach of Kelly's scheme, and the offensive line.

Malik looks to be a wonderful talent but he has in his career one single TD pass and 400 yards. Expecting wire to wire stellar play from this youngster may simply be too demanding an expectation.

The offensive line only returns two starters and may only have one great player in Stanley. Yes on paper the guys we put in can be very good , that's in theory, and our schedule does not allow a long period to gel.

Last year we had a turnover laden but highly productive scoring offense ,it was built , likely overbuilt, on Golsons arm with little dedication to the run game. This year Kelly needs to build the offense around Maliks running skills and the overall run game with our RBs. Its unclear how Coach Kelly will handle this week in and week out since it is counterintuitive for his historical philosophy on offense..

We all know Kelly would prefer to pass and score then any other method , he used "some " restraint in 2012 with Golson a newbie ,but he had had the security blanket of a TOP 10 defense, no such luxury in 2015. Actually the offense will need to control the clock and keep the defense off the field.

Ironically the strength of the offense is our deep and talented stable of WRs , and yet Kelly needs to use self control and not turn Malik into EG throwing 40 times despite the talent at wideout.

TE is also a question mark. Koyack was overrated and was the weakest guy in that position we have had in awhile here at TE U. We have a great looking roster of young guys but who steps up and when as the next great TE is not crystal.

At RB, Folston is a good looking back that appears to be ready to step up big, I like his progress. But Bryant has been a disappearing 5 star and Prosise has had so much hype from Kelly that alone begs the question on how many touches he actually gets.

Offense will be good, but can we get 32/35 points a game, I doubt that. Can we control the clock , score heavy when we get to the red zone , move the ball on 3rd down well, that's the best bet for 2015 and its not the typical Kelly offense. So our coaches self control is an issue.

It will be interesting. Potential is very high with an outstanding athlete at QB ,lots of speed at the skill spots ,and lots of size on the OLINE. But it needs to blend into a consistent identity right out of the gate. Overall though Confidence in the offense justifiably should be much higher then the defense.

 

[IrishLion]

Our corners are two of the best in the country. That is for sure, both mid to high draft picks. Best duo?...I say up there for sure but I don't follow other teams as much. Who has better corners than us?

The best duo is Vernon Hargreaves and whoever starts opposite him at Florida IMO. That guy is so unreal that he could be the only CB on the field for Florida, and I'd still put him in the top-5 CB units lol.

EDIT: And I think our old friend Brian Poole might be starting opposite him, though I'm not 100% sure and have no idea if he's been a star for Florida or not.

 

[Old Man Mike]

.... waste of time to respond to trolling, so I won't.

As a defender of the OLine, though, one should at least note that we return THREE starters not two, and as McGlinchey proved himself a superior option late in the season, most commentators [with any sense] would say that we return three-and-a-half if not four. The "style" of reaching for maximum negativity even to the point of typing errors of fact, is an attribute of either ignorance or deliberate trollism [which is a minor form of sociopathy enabled by responses to the trolling if those responses are done in simple ways, as if the trolling is taken seriously.]

The function of this post then is to primarily ask my IE brethren to just briefly laugh the trolling off. Even if the "happier" interpretation is correct [profound ignorance of fact], such posts are best ignored. Our team has its flaws sure. The great majority of them look to be things where just small good breaks as far as healthy players are concerned will not only "cure" them but turn them into strengths. I'll bet almost any coach in the nation wishes that he had the "problems" Kelly has.

 

[irishfan]

Secondary will be alright but not sold they will be great.

Max on Steele's AA list is a joke. He had a good game to end the year and lots of bad plays and games all year. That rating is pure speculation, Steele looking for something to be different. I guarantee you will not see MAX on any other AA list.

Butler is simply a liability and hopefully we don't need to depend on him.

Russell will have to work through the rust--he's a talent no doubt but no 2014, no spring, expect him to take a few games and unfortunately our schedule is frontloaded so that doesn't help much.

Overall we should be good at starting corner--Safety has supposed to be good for awhile and yet underperforms as a position for the last couple of years. Its unclear what exactly we will get.

LB has questions with JOE S trying to comeback from injury and Morgan still likely needing another year after struggling so much last season... pass rush is another huge question mark.

So both LBs in coverage and pass rush from the DEs will impact the secondary play for obvious reasons.

Don't fool yourselves , defense will have a long way to go after finishing 81st in total defense--and yes we played better against LSU but they still had 300 yards rushing and could not put much pressure on the secondary since they featured one of the worst two QBs we played all season.

Secondary has potential but with a frontloaded schedule it needs to surface from the opening bell to be more then potential!

If Texas, UVA, Ga Tech, and UMASS are able to throw it against us with any success then we're screwed. The schedule is not frontloaded by any means in regard to passing offenses. The only things I'm concerned about defensively early are the triple option and being unprepared for Clemson in October after playing against 4 QBs who can't throw the ball.

 

[IrishLax]

If Texas, UVA, Ga Tech, and UMASS are able to throw it against us with any success then we're screwed. The schedule is not frontloaded by any means in regard to passing offenses. The only things I'm concerned about defensively early are the triple option and being unprepared for Clemson in October after playing against 4 QBs who can't throw the ball.

This is pretty much where I'm at. The "body blow" theory after playing Navy, etc. is very real. And it puts us in a VERY bad position for USC, and probably Clemson.

 

[irishfan]

This is pretty much where I'm at. The "body blow" theory after playing Navy, etc. is very real. And it puts us in a VERY bad position for USC, and probably Clemson.

I'm not positive, but I think that Ga Tech rarely cut blocks in comparison to Navy. That and the glorified bye in UMASS before Clemson should get us back to 100% barring any injuries against Ga Tech. I know there are body blow stats with Stanford and Navy....are there any with Ga Tech?

For the USC game, we're in a rough spot coming off the Navy game. Hoping the combo of the home night game, huge revenge factor, and a bye week afterwards are enough for us to pull it off.

 

[alohagoirish]

We are a very mediocre 17-9 over the last two seasons , the 2014 team collapsed in a way not seen since Charlies final days, our QB with over 50 Tds and 6000 yards has transferred to the best team in the ACC , and we field a youngster with 1 TD and 400 yards. Our defense ranked 81 st in the country in 2014.

Yet the way some of you react , if we don't expect some juggernaut of a team racing to the national title we are trolls. Pointing out serious question marks we have on both defense and offense going into 2015 is trolling. Wow!

Kelly has done some kind of Svengali act on too many of you. Always loaded with excuses Kelly's teams have underperformed for 4 of his first 5 years and overperformed for one season.

Are we ready to hand out a free pass for 2015 already?

We have had the talent on paper to win 10 games every season Kelly has been here yet we only accomplished that once. This season with a manageable schedule we should make it to double digit wins easily yet if I was laying money I would peg this season at 9-3 nine wins is a very safe bet during the Kelly era. We can revisit this in November and decide trolling or denial.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not positive, but I think that Ga Tech rarely cut blocks in comparison to Navy. That and the glorified bye in UMASS before Clemson should get us back to 100% barring any injuries against Ga Tech. I know there are body blow stats with Stanford and Navy....are there any with Ga Tech?

For the USC game, we're in a rough spot coming off the Navy game. Hoping the combo of the home night game, huge revenge factor, and a bye week afterwards are enough for us to pull it off.

No, GT doesn't cut block like Navy and I don't think there are any stats/trends that I'm aware of that point to teams having a downturn following that game. I'm more worried that you play a team like GT followed by UMASS and your "game speed" just isn't there for athletes Clemson has on the perimeter.

 

[Irish#1]

We are a very mediocre 17-9 over the last two seasons , the 2014 team collapsed in a way not seen since Charlies final days, our QB with over 50 Tds and 6000 yards has transferred to the best team in the ACC , and we field a youngster with 1 TD and 400 yards. Our defense ranked 81 st in the country in 2014.

Yet the way some of you react , if we don't expect some juggernaut of a team racing to the national title we are trolls. Pointing out serious question marks we have on both defense and offense going into 2015 is trolling. Wow!

Kelly has done some kind of Svengali act on too many of you. Always loaded with excuses Kelly's teams have underperformed for 4 of his first 5 years and overperformed for one season.

Are we ready to hand out a free pass for 2015 already?

We have had the talent on paper to win 10 games every season Kelly has been here yet we only accomplished that once. This season with a manageable schedule we should make it to double digit wins easily yet if I was laying money I would peg this season at 9-3 nine wins is a very safe bet during the Kelly era. We can revisit this in November and decide trolling or denial.

Take it someplace else. No one is blindly following BK without questions. Last years team was decimated by injuries and the Frozen Four. Hard to beat teams when you play so many true freshmen and your going to your 3rd and 4th on the depth chart. Can't blame BK for those. The experience the youngsters got last year will prove invaluable. You now have a QB that the team responds to. When the teams believes in their QB, they will fight harder. We're heading in the right direction and I'm not wearing rose colored glasses.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

We are a very mediocre 17-9 over the last two seasons , the 2014 team collapsed in a way not seen since Charlies final days, our QB with over 50 Tds and 6000 yards has transferred to the best team in the ACC , and we field a youngster with 1 TD and 400 yards. Our defense ranked 81 st in the country in 2014.

Yet the way some of you react , if we don't expect some juggernaut of a team racing to the national title we are trolls. Pointing out serious question marks we have on both defense and offense going into 2015 is trolling. Wow!

Kelly has done some kind of Svengali act on too many of you. Always loaded with excuses Kelly's teams have underperformed for 4 of his first 5 years and overperformed for one season.

Are we ready to hand out a free pass for 2015 already?

We have had the talent on paper to win 10 games every season Kelly has been here yet we only accomplished that once. This season with a manageable schedule we should make it to double digit wins easily yet if I was laying money I would peg this season at 9-3 nine wins is a very safe bet during the Kelly era. We can revisit this in November and decide trolling or denial.

Do you even watch ND football or are you just spewing names off a roster with the occasional Googled stat?

This team went to the championship game in 2012 and had it not been for 1) EG getting suspended and 2) The unbelievable bad luck with injuries, the teams of the last two years are 10+ win teams. You keep referring to how bad the defense was last year...they were almost all true freshmen because everyone else was hurt! Good grief man.

 

[IrishLax]

We are a very mediocre 17-9 over the last two seasons , the 2014 team collapsed in a way not seen since Charlies final days, our QB with over 50 Tds and 6000 yards has transferred to the best team in the ACC , and we field a youngster with 1 TD and 400 yards. Our defense ranked 81 st in the country in 2014.

Yet the way some of you react , if we don't expect some juggernaut of a team racing to the national title we are trolls. Pointing out serious question marks we have on both defense and offense going into 2015 is trolling. Wow!

Kelly has done some kind of Svengali act on too many of you. Always loaded with excuses Kelly's teams have underperformed for 4 of his first 5 years and overperformed for one season.

Are we ready to hand out a free pass for 2015 already?

We have had the talent on paper to win 10 games every season Kelly has been here yet we only accomplished that once. This season with a manageable schedule we should make it to double digit wins easily yet if I was laying money I would peg this season at 9-3 nine wins is a very safe bet during the Kelly era. We can revisit this in November and decide trolling or denial.

There are very few teams in the country with decidedly more talent than ours, and basically none with more experience. I don't really understand why you look at past seasons as evidence that this team somehow isn't loaded.

"Very mediocre 17-9"... despite having Golson suspended in 2013 and playing an insanely hard schedule Notre Dame went 9-4 beating 13-1 Big Ten and Rose Bowl champion Michigan State, arguably the second best team in the country. The four losses were two bad ones against a decent Michigan team and a Pitt team that got laughably aided by bogus calls, one to PAC12 champ Stanford, and one to a top 10 Oklahoma team that destroyed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. While 9-4 isn't great, the team finished the ranked #21 with multiple victories over ranked teams... with Tommy Rees at the helm, and losing so many defensive linemen to injury over the course of the season that CARLO FREAKING CALABRESE was being lined up at Nose Tackle.

In 2014, the team started off 6-0 and should've beaten #1 FSU in Tallahassee despite losing 3 key starters to suspension before the year even started. The defense wasn't ranked anywhere close to 81st through the first half of the season. And then Notre Dame lost over a dozen more players on defense to injury and the team went into a tailspin.

So, in summary, saying what you said about 2013/2014 without any context is misleading. The truth is that this team returns an elite OL, very good receivers, and very good RBs. The only question mark on offense is QB where we have a 3rd year player that was taking the job from Golson on his merits and lead an effective offense against the #1 passing defense in the country in his only start. On defense, I fail to see the question marks... on paper this team has all of the key personnel of last year's defense when it was healthy and decent... minus Riggs plus Russell. All of the freshmen will be flat out better, and all of the veterans will make less mental errors. Past seasons have no bearing on how good this team might be unless you're evaluating players currently on the team.

I actually agree with you about the safeties... I think Redfield was flat out bad last year, and I didn't really like Shumate in coverage. Redfield got freaking benched at one point for a true freshman. They're both entering their 3rd year of playing the position (Shumate played slot CB his first year), and if they don't have it figured out now then they never will. At CB, Luke and Russell will both be very good. Russell is the best corner ND has had in a long time and I don't think there will be any noticeable rust.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

There are very few teams in the country with decidedly more talent than ours, and basically none with more experience. I don't really understand why you look at past seasons as evidence that this team somehow isn't loaded.

"Very mediocre 17-9"... despite having Golson suspended in 2013 and playing an insanely hard schedule Notre Dame went 9-4 beating 13-1 Big Ten and Rose Bowl champion Michigan State, arguably the second best team in the country. The four losses were two bad ones against a decent Michigan team and a Pitt team that got laughably aided by bogus calls, one to PAC12 champ Stanford, and one to a top 10 Oklahoma team that destroyed Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. While 9-4 isn't great, the team finished the ranked #21 with multiple victories over ranked teams... with Tommy Rees at the helm, and losing so many defensive linemen to injury over the course of the season that CARLO FREAKING CALABRESE was being lined up at Nose Tackle.

In 2014, the team started off 6-0 and should've beaten #1 FSU in Tallahassee despite losing 3 key starters to suspension before the year even started. The defense wasn't ranked anywhere close to 81st through the first half of the season. And then Notre Dame lost over a dozen more players on defense to injury and the team went into a tailspin.

So, in summary, saying what you said about 2013/2014 without any context is misleading. The truth is that this team returns an elite OL, very good receivers, and very good RBs. The only question mark on offense is QB where we have a 3rd year player that was taking the job from Golson on his merits and lead an effective offense against the #1 passing defense in the country in his only start. On defense, I fail to see the question marks... on paper this team has all of the key personnel of last year's defense when it was healthy and decent... minus Riggs plus Russell. All of the freshmen will be flat out better, and all of the veterans will make less mental errors. Past seasons have no bearing on how good this team might be unless you're evaluating players currently on the team.

I actually agree with you about the safeties... I think Redfield was flat out bad last year, and I didn't really like Shumate in coverage. Redfield got freaking benched at one point for a true freshman. They're both entering their 3rd year of playing the position (Shumate played slot CB his first year), and if they don't have it figured out now then they never will. At CB, Luke and Russell will both be very good. Russell is the best corner ND has had in a long time and I don't think there will be any noticeable rust.

This is a great post.

I do disagree that Russell is the best corner ND has had in a long time. I think his ceiling is the highest. But Cole Luke (whom, btw, wasn't even mentioned in Aloha's trolling rants) is just as good, if not better than Russell. I'm not the only one who believes that.

Regardless of the Luke/Russell debate, the last two year seasons have been laughably unlucky as your post points outs. This dude is clearly delusional.

 

[ulukinatme]

Won't know if Luke will be better than Russell, but as it stands Russell is head and shoulders above anyone we've had in awhile. By that statement alone it may be unlikely that Luke could surpass him. Russell got to a point in 2013 where QBs quit even throwing against him as he went full lock down.