How far has Miami Fallen?

[goldenechoes]

That no one wants the job so they have to promote their DC?

Yikes!

 

[Irish Envy]

That's a pretty bad and uneducated statement.

I'd absolutely be tickled pink if we could have a defensive coordinator like Randy Shannon on this staff. He is an excellent teacher and recruiter and I think he's going to do great things at Miami. I was hoping he did get passed over so maybe we had a chance to bring him onto our staff in some capacity.

 

[goldenechoes]

That's a pretty bad and uneducated statement.

I'd absolutely be tickled pink if we could have a defensive coordinator like Randy Shannon on this staff. He is an excellent teacher and recruiter and I think he's going to do great things at Miami. I was hoping he did get passed over so maybe we had a chance to bring him onto our staff in some capacity.

I would love to have him as our DC. But Miami is an elite program that didnt get the response they had hoped for their open position.

And where the hell does the uneducated remark come from? Because you dont agree with me?

 

[nayers]

That's a pretty bad and uneducated statement.

I'd absolutely be tickled pink if we could have a defensive coordinator like Randy Shannon on this staff. He is an excellent teacher and recruiter and I think he's going to do great things at Miami. I was hoping he did get passed over so maybe we had a chance to bring him onto our staff in some capacity.

agreed...when i heard this, and watched his presser, i said "wow, this guy has the tools to win big at UM" he has the charisma that it takes to be there (see butch davis, J. Johnson and Dennis Erickson) he is a proven recruiter and X & O guy...look for him to win before Urban does.

 

[notdam4]

Isn't this thread a little late anyway? Didn't the hiring happen like a week ago?

 

[goldenechoes]

Isn't this thread a little late anyway? Didn't the hiring happen like a week ago?

I didn't see a thread addressing the situation.

Are people that short of attention span that a week is ancient news?

 

[notdam4]

This is America... the average attention span is like 15 seconds.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Yep, Shannon is a good, albeit safe, choice for Miami. As mentioned already, good x&o guy (at least on defense), good recruiting reputation. Also, he is Miami through and through, from his playing days on. I think he did leave for the Nfl for a while to coach, but that was with the Dophins. I also think even before this year, his name was being tossed around for being a head coach.

 

[goldenechoes]

This is America... the average attention span is like 15 seconds.

.....I'm sorry, what did you say?

 

[notdam4]

I forgot...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

That no one wants the job so they have to promote their DC?

Yikes!

I would say their level of play fell to the level of their reputation as men.

 

[tommy]

hopefully they dont go in thinking its only wins they need .

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

Didn't we do this with Davie?

I don't know if we're the ones to be talking about this like this, especially as Miami has a title this decade.

Also, we had a much more embarrassing hiring problem ourselves, the last go round. We lucked out. But it was ugly.

Good luck to Shannon.

 

[BigIrish]

well, our most recent hiring situation was a little different. we got snubbed by a guy that was never really interested in the first place, but there were other guys actively campaigning for the job.

from what i can see, shannon appears to be ready for a HC gig, but i do agree in the sense that it's a little odd that there wasn't more interest from the outside for a high profile job like that. understandably, most guys don't want to have to clean up a program in disarray....

even more interesting than the miami situation is the alabama job...i haven't heard who they're going to now that rodriguez is staying put, but they're on the brink of losing a recruiting class over it if they wait much longer.

 

[scooper]

Shannon's a better coach than Davie could have ever dreamed. He's a good choice. Butch Davis and Coker were coordinators prior to being head coaches. I think Willingham is the only head coach around that wasn't first a coordinator.

Didn't the Irish recently hire a coordinator? Sure, it was the NFL, but does running an NFL offense better prepare you for being a college HC than being a college coordinator does? Bottom line-you can coach or you can't.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I think the Miami program is going to be a monster, and soon.

I don't view it as a "sleeping giant", like Penn State has gotten the rep for lately. Penn State suffered from poor recruiting classes, but they've had some very solid classes the last couple years. I think you'll see them competing for the Big 10 title again year after year.

But Miami had a down year. I think Shannon is the perfect man for that program, and unfortunately, I think he's going to do great things.

 

[sblxdoc]

I think the Miami program is going to be a monster, and soon.

I don't view it as a "sleeping giant", like Penn State has gotten the rep for lately. Penn State suffered from poor recruiting classes, but they've had some very solid classes the last couple years. I think you'll see them competing for the Big 10 title again year after year.

But Miami had a down year. I think Shannon is the perfect man for that program, and unfortunately, I think he's going to do great things.

I agree. The Miami program isn't going anywhere. I actually expect them to be right in the mix of the BCS come next year. I don't know much about the new hire, but talent just flocks to The U.

 

[nd1]

miami will always get some good players because of what they done in college football. I just hope this coach can clean up the program because college football is better when certain teams are good and miami is one of those teams.

 

[FleaFlicker]

miami will always get some good players because of what they done in college football. I just hope this coach can clean up the program because college football is better when certain teams are good and miami is one of those teams.

Not to mention that college football is much better when people don't use their helmets as bludgening devices during the middle of the game.

And much as I hate The U, no one like to see a program in as much dissarray as that one.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Didn't we do this with Davie?

There's a big difference in promoting from within when a legendary coach is retiring, and getting carried off the field at the end of his last home game, and promoting from within when the previous coach was just fired and you can't find anybody else.

 

[nd1]

That was just sick when that happen.looked like two gangs on the field and that merriweather kid should have gotten the rest of the year off.

 

[Katzenboyer]

There's a big difference in promoting from within when a legendary coach is retiring, and getting carried off the field at the end of his last home game, and promoting from within when the previous coach was just fired and you can't find anybody else.

Even if they had brought in "big names" for the interview, I still think they would have made Shannon the new HC. He's the right guy for the job.

Seems to me your agrument is that because the U didn't have big names clamoring for the job, they aren't good anymore.

Another thing to add to this conversation is that their number one choice all along signed with UNC midway through the season.

 

[Aerosmith777]

I don't have an argument over whether they're good anymore, I was just responding to someone making an inaccurate comparison between ND promoting Davie and Miami promoting Shannon.

But since we're talking about it anyway, you're wrong that Shannon was their first choice (after Davis). They'd of hired Greg Schiano if he wanted the job.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I don't have an argument over whether they're good anymore, I was just responding to someone making an inaccurate comparison between ND promoting Davie and Miami promoting Shannon.

But since we're talking about it anyway, you're wrong that Shannon was their first choice (after Davis). They'd of hired Greg Schiano if he wanted the job.

Good point about Schiano. Forgot about him.

I wasn't neccesarily refuting what you were saying, but some posts that had argued that because UM didn't get any "name" candidates to interview, they are a program on the fall. I disagree with that assumption.

 

[irish4ever]

Univ. of Miami sux! I hate that program!!!

 

[johnchampion]

Weren't Davis and Coker both promoted from within as well?

Butch Davis had done a pretty good cleanup job, then they went back to thugville when Coker got in there.

I think Shannon can bring them back.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Weren't Davis and Coker both promoted from within as well?

Butch Davis had done a pretty good cleanup job, then they went back to thugville when Coker got in there.

I think Shannon can bring them back.

Coker really blew it...he let the team fall apart...which kind of surpises me, but I did not know him well.

Shannon. I have heard many good things. If he works hard on team discipline, it should go well...

 

[brownkj002]

Weren't Davis and Coker both promoted from within as well?

Butch Davis had done a pretty good cleanup job, then they went back to thugville when Coker got in there.

I think Shannon can bring them back.

this is how I feel about if the U. I remember in the mid 90's they sucked and had off the field problems. then butch davis turned them into a national championship caliber program. They have only had a few bad years (by their standards) and I don't see the U staying down for too long. They will never have the reputation of having gentlemen on the team but they will have a good football program. Look at ND, it's taking over a decade for us to finally feel comfortable the program's direction.

 

[solo]

The question about Miami is "where has the talent gone?". Butch Davis had that program LOADED. They would lose 4, 5, and 5 guys a year to the NFL in the FIRST ROUND. Now that Coker's recruits are all starting, in the last 2 years they have only had 1 1st rounder taken each year. There was definitely a HUGE drop off in talent since Coker's guys got in starting positions.

Mioami will be back, it will just take a coach that knows how to recruit.

 

[OnwardToVictory07]

The question about Miami is "where has the talent gone?". Butch Davis had that program LOADED. They would lose 4, 5, and 5 guys a year to the NFL in the FIRST ROUND. Now that Coker's recruits are all starting, in the last 2 years they have only had 1 1st rounder taken each year. There was definitely a HUGE drop off in talent since Coker's guys got in starting positions.

Mioami will be back, it will just take a coach that knows how to recruit.

This doesnt mean the talent isnt there, just that it's not being utilized (ie, coached) properly. Devin Hester was a 2nd round pick. Frank Gore wasnt a first rounder either. It's what they do with the talent they have that dictates how many first round picks they get.