Hearing some stuff

[OlympiaIrishFan]

The first thing I thought when I read the header is Jay Hayes and/or Grant Blankenship transferring.

I bet it just can't be good news, that rarely happens to ND at the end of the school year (or after signing day). Eddie V, Lynch, Gunner, Everett, etc.

And I hope it is more like Cody Riggs or Amir. Hope to get some good news in the off season.

 

[Grahambo]

Elmer and C-Rob have been part of heavy speculation for awhile now so it's not a huge bombshell if it's either of those two.

ISD has been mentioning it for a bit now. If it is Elmer, then the speculation would be move Hoge to guard and have Mustipher as center.

Something like:

LT - Bars
LG - Nelson
C - Mustipher
RG - Hoge
RT - McGlinchey

 

[BeauBenken]

Elmer and C-Rob have been part of heavy speculation for awhile now so it's not a huge bombshell if it's either of those two.

ISD has been mentioning it for a bit now. If it is Elmer, then the speculation would be move Hoge to guard and have Mustipher as center.

Something like:

LT - Bars
LG - Nelson
C - Mustipher
RG - Hoge
RT - McGlinchey

I would expect Hoge at Center and Mustipher at Guard (if it doesn't go to someone else), but that's just me.

That, or Bars plays in the guard spot, McGlinchey moves to LT and someone steps up at RT. TP eluded to this scenario when discussing Elmer before. I had not figured it because I really like Bars at Tackle.

 

[TDHeysus]

I would expect Hoge at Center and Mustipher at Guard ....

I've always thought that Hoge was locked into the center position as well, but who knows.

 

[gkIrish]

Epitome was right. We forgive you.

 

[ulukinatme]

So it IS that Elmer isn't coming back? If that's the case, sucks to lose that experience, but definitely not too worried given the depth.

What was Epitome right about in 2011? I can't think of anything earth shattering. Was it the stuff with Kelly talking about Weis' players?

 

[Irishman77]

Elmer and C-Rob have been part of heavy speculation for awhile now so it's not a huge bombshell if it's either of those two.

ISD has been mentioning it for a bit now. If it is Elmer, then the speculation would be move Hoge to guard and have Mustipher as center.

Something like:

LT - Bars
LG - Nelson
C - Mustipher
RG - Hoge
RT - McGlinchey

I agree with this. Unless somehow Kizer beats Zaire out. If that somehow happens I can see McGlinchey moving to LT and Bars to RT. This might happen anyway as Bars then stays at RT and Kraemer takes over at LT when McGlinchey is playing on Sunday.

 

[IrishLion]

I want to know what "stuff" from 2011 that the OP refers to lol

 

[Irishman77]

Can't remember but was it Danny Spond related?

 

[ulukinatme]

I want to say it was related to the comments about Kelly regarding Weis' players. Epitome created the thread on 10/27/2011. Looking back through the archives, the next game that year was the Navy game on 10/29. Here was the write up:

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- It took Notre Dame less than two minutes to make a week's worth of problems -- heck, maybe a season's worth -- disappear.

Michael Floyd and Jonas Gray scored in a span of 1 minute, 59 seconds Saturday, and Notre Dame rolled from there, rebounding from its rough week with a 56-14 thrashing of Navy. The Irish (5-3) rushed for seven touchdowns, most in 19 years, while limiting Navy (2-6) to a season-low 229 yards of total offense in the Midshipmen's sixth straight loss.

"As a family, we all have good days and bad days. And you work through that as a family," Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said. "We communicated with each other as a team and as a family, and you saw it today. You saw a team that played together. I told our team, that's the best collection of plays relative to all 11 players playing together."

A lopsided loss to USC last Saturday night pretty much ended Notre Dame's chances of a BCS bowl for yet another year, and tensions within the team apparently flared after Kelly talked about having to "retrain" the players he inherited from Charlie Weis. Some of the veterans, including star linebacker Manti Te'o, expressed their displeasure with his comments on Twitter, and the Chicago Tribune reported Saturday that Kelly apologized to players during a team meeting Friday.

But winning cures all kinds of ills and the Irish looked like a happy bunch Saturday, exchanging flying chest bumps after TDs and dancing on the sidelines.

 

[gkIrish]

So it IS that Elmer isn't coming back? If that's the case, sucks to lose that experience, but definitely not too worried given the depth.

What was Epitome right about in 2011? I can't think of anything earth shattering. Was it the stuff with Kelly talking about Weis' players?

I don't remember what it was exactly but it was fairly "major" and he got a lot of crap about it. It turned out to be right whatever it was.

 

[PANDFAN]

Was just informed that the news will more than likely come out tomorrow [Friday] from Notre Dame.

Again, it's regarding a player leaving the program. I think it's pretty clear who we are referencing at this point, but we said we would let Notre Dame "break" this story itself, as they are trying to do right by the young man. Not sure why others were making this seem like a bigger deal than it truly is. This young man is not going to another program. This is likely the last he'll see of a football field.----247

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Was just informed that the news will more than likely come out tomorrow [Friday] from Notre Dame.

Again, it's regarding a player leaving the program. I think it's pretty clear who we are referencing at this point, but we said we would let Notre Dame "break" this story itself, as they are trying to do right by the young man. Not sure why others were making this seem like a bigger deal than it truly is. This young man is not going to another program. This is likely the last he'll see of a football field.----247

Guessing it's Robinson, and that ND will break the news in such a way as to emphasize the fact that we always put academics before athletics. Great marketing opportunity.

 

[koonja]

I'd prefer it Robinson over Elmer. I'd rather not lose a 2.5 year starter on the OL.

 

[gkIrish]

Guessing it's Robinson, and that ND will break the news in such a way as to emphasize the fact that we always put academics before athletics. Great marketing opportunity.

I thought CRob made the decision to come back already?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I thought CRob made the decision to come back already?

I vaguely recall hearing something like that too, but a lot of things would suddenly add up about this if Robinson has decided to hang up his cleats to focus on student government, activism, etc.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I thought CRob made the decision to come back already?

When that info came out it sounded to me like he had to be talked in to plating again. Maybe with this whole student body president thing he's decided it's best he focuses things not sports related.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I vaguely recall hearing something like that too, but a lot of things would suddenly add up about this if Robinson has decided to hang up his cleats to focus on student government, activism, etc.

I could've sworn that I heard he's coming back too. Dang.

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[ulukinatme]

I'd prefer it Robinson over Elmer. I'd rather not lose a 2.5 year starter on the OL.

Completely disagree. We have the depth and experience on the OL to sustain losing Elmer, even if he's the most experienced player currently there. Robinson, on the other hand, would have been the most experienced WR we have by a wide margin on the outside. The same can't be said for the OL, there's plenty of battle tested guys there. At WR we're losing Fuller, Brown, Carlisle, and Procise (Even though he played RB last year) for 2016. While Hunter saw lots of action last year, he plays primarily in the Slot. We'll basically be breaking in two new outside WRs with little to no snaps next year. It would be nice to have that Senior leadership from a guy like Corey that brings 65 career receptions to the mix.

 

[koonja]

Completely disagree. We have the depth and experience on the OL to sustain losing Elmer, even if he's the most experienced player currently there. Robinson, on the other hand, would have been the most experienced WR we have by a wide margin on the outside. The same can't be said for the OL, there's plenty of battle tested guys there. At WR we're losing Fuller, Brown, Carlisle, and Procise (Even though he played RB last year) for 2016. While Hunter saw lots of action last year, he plays primarily in the Slot. We'll basically be breaking in two new outside WRs with little to no snaps next year. It would be nice to have that Senior leadership from a guy like Corey that brings 65 career receptions to the mix.

If Elmer's gone, we return only 2 starters on OL, McGlinchey and Nelson. I wouldn't call that good experience. I feel like Robinson is getting passed up regardless of whether he plays or not. I don't think it's good to lose either, but I'd rather keep 3 starters on the OL than 2.

 

[tussin]

I vaguely recall hearing something like that too, but a lot of things would suddenly add up about this if Robinson has decided to hang up his cleats to focus on student government, activism, etc.

I believe he mentioned during his campaign that he would be able to manage both and would not leave the football team.

If that statement ends up being untrue, then it appears he is already acting like a seasoned politician.

 

[ulukinatme]

If Elmer's gone, we return only 2 starters on OL, McGlinchey and Nelson. I wouldn't call that good experience. I feel like Robinson is getting passed up regardless of whether he plays or not. I don't think it's good to lose either, but I'd rather keep 3 starters on the OL than 2.

Between replacements from injuries and a few rotation guys, there are players that have far more snaps at OL than the receivers we'll be starting next season. There's no Chris Brown to help lead our young group of WRs if Corey is gone, Torii is the only guy with legitimate experience we have and he's really just seen one year of real action. While both position groups of plenty of talent, we have far less experience at WR for next year without Corey than we do without Elmer, and I trust in Harry to have the group ready for next year regardless. I'm not saying Denbrock is a poor coach, but our WRs are going to need any help they can get after losing Fuller for next year.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If Elmer's gone, we return only 2 starters on OL, McGlinchey and Nelson. I wouldn't call that good experience. I feel like Robinson is getting passed up regardless of whether he plays or not. I don't think it's good to lose either, but I'd rather keep 3 starters on the OL than 2.

Agreed. Elmer has more value than Corey at this point (from an on the field stand point, hard to speculate off the field, but would think Corey would be a great leader and role model).

Corey's best attribute has been his size/leaping ability (which his timing seemed off all last season). Now with Boykins and ESB in the mix, with a whole year of practice, I feel like they're certainly capable of covering his production (and then some).

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Agreed. Elmer has more value than Corey at this point (from an on the field stand point, hard to speculate off the field, but would think Corey would be a great leader and role model).

Corey's best attribute has been his size/leaping ability (which his timing seemed off all last season). Now with Boykins and ESB in the mix, with a whole year of practice, I feel like they're certainly capable of covering his production (and then some).

Regardless, I'd love to have Corey on the team just so NBC (and others) could rave about his off the field success, I feel like that would go a long way for NDs image.

 

[IrishLax]

Guessing it's Robinson, and that ND will break the news in such a way as to emphasize the fact that we always put academics before athletics. Great marketing opportunity.

It seems like it's clearly Elmer, and Rivals is clearly a bunch of twats for phrasing things how they did.

 

[NDinL.A.]

It seems like it's clearly Elmer, and Rivals is clearly a bunch of twats for phrasing things how they did.

Yes, Robinson is coming back, 1000% fact.

 

[Grahambo]

I would expect Hoge at Center and Mustipher at Guard (if it doesn't go to someone else), but that's just me.

That, or Bars plays in the guard spot, McGlinchey moves to LT and someone steps up at RT. TP eluded to this scenario when discussing Elmer before. I had not figured it because I really like Bars at Tackle.

I've always thought that Hoge was locked into the center position as well, but who knows.

Again, this was just ISD speculating and not me. The reason why Mustipher to C and Hoge to G was that Hoge is 6'4 while Mustipher is 6'2. The other reason was that Mustipher has played C in game action before whereas Hoge has not.

And yes, I know that it was minimal at best but that was their reasoning. In their opinion, they also felt Hoge would be better suited for G anyway. It had nothing to do with his ability as a C either. Just for the overall group, that would be the best set up along with Bars moving to LT.

And yes, C-Rob was quoted as saying he would be able to handle football and his president duties so it pretty much sounds as if its Elmer. This seems to have been in the works for some time too so its not as if the staff was caught off guard.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Again, this was just ISD speculating and not me. The reason why Mustipher to C and Hoge to G was that Hoge is 6'4 while Mustipher is 6'2. The other reason was that Mustipher has played C in game action before whereas Hoge has not.



And yes, I know that it was minimal at best but that was their reasoning. In their opinion, they also felt Hoge would be better suited for G anyway. It had nothing to do with his ability as a C either. Just for the overall group, that would be the best set up along with Bars moving to LT.



And yes, C-Rob was quoted as saying he would be able to handle football and his president duties so it pretty much sounds as if its Elmer. This seems to have been in the works for some time too so its not as if the staff was caught off guard.

You put the best 5 linemen on the field.


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