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7-6 here we come!
7-6 here we come!
GrangerIrish24
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Alize, Sanders, Finke, McIntosh
Wingman Ray
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Think we should all prepare for an offseason of despair as BK hires/promotes his buddy to DC and ignores all the competent DCs around.
NDgradstudent
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I hope everyone has seen the damning advertisement in today's Observer (pg. 11) calling attention to the failure of leadership at ND.
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Well, when you put it that way...
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I agree...yikes.
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koonja
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Holy cow. That's clear, and offers a great comparison to Stanford. It's a quick study but it really tells a story.
BleedBlueGold
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I posted that Observer ad in a couple other threads because NotreTrump tweeted it out.
zelezo vlk
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Dang. Jack is really gonna change his mind after reading that.
NDgradstudent
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Some people are irredeemable by any earthly power...it's not meant to persuade him that the FB program is a failure. It's meant to persuade the other people on ND's campus (who think that "academic standards" are what prevent ND from beating Duke) that the FB program is a failure.
The evidence is indisputable in my view. Stanford is a clearly superior program at this stage, and there is no indication that this will change any time soon. The reason for this disparity is simply mismanagement.
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koonja
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This is exactly it. Any sort of pressure is a good thing, and something like this caters to anyone who can read. ND fans should be marching the campus demanding better and this doesn't hurt.
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This wasn't for Jack... this was for all the people that now have a uniform platform for questioning him when it comes to the football program.
Jack gonna be purchasing some new noise-cancelers for when he's walking through campus or travelling.
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Yes. It tells the story of how a once-in-a-generation QB (Andrew Luck) and a special curriculum for athletes can get you ahead in CFB... Two things that ND has NOT had.
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You do realize that Andrew Luck hasn't played CFB since 2011? Since then they have had two 12 win seasons and an 11 win season.
kmoose
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1/3 of those six years (2010 and 2011), Andrew Luck was the QB. That's a significant percentage. And it's not like I only mentioned Luck as the reason. Given roughly equal talent, which team do you think would do better?
Team A: spends about an hour or two a week on academics and the rest of the time in the weight room and the film room.
Team B: spends about 40 hours a week on academics and various other academic-related activities
NDgradstudent
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Stanford has also refused to admit players that we have taken. The different admission/eligibility requirements seem to even out. And even if they don't, we consistently have higher rated classes than Stanford anyway. But even so: 2-5.
zelezo vlk
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Stanford also goes something like the first month of games before classes start.
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That's a gross mischaracterization on the requirements of ND vs. Stanford athletes...
Also, they don't have equal talent. We have more overall talent and it's not debatable. If for whatever reason we don't have as much talent at certain positions, it's because of roster mismanagement and internal blunders.
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Take out the comparisons to Stanford, and it still paints the picture just fine.
This team has gone four years without winning a big game. It's at its lowest point since Kelly took over, and his current track-record was enough to get his predecessors fired.
That all sucks.
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It is either disingenuous or delusional to believe that Stanford is able to outperform ND becuase our academic requirements are so much more difficult.
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He's the Lyin' King!
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ScooterIrish
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Kmoose is so off base here it is unbelievable. What a joke.
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Coaching aside, there is a difference about the day to day load at Stanford and ND. LAX has outlined it numerous times. It is not a secret in athletic circles. I haven't weighed in in depth before but I know two former coaches at Stanford, one of which I worked with and that is their take too. It seems Stanford has a lot of group project based instruction and much more non-competitive evaluation.
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Believe it, Nancy. It's not the first, second, third, and last reason. But the academic rigors at ND definitely are an obstacle that players have to overcome, to perform at the same level as their peers on the field.
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The NCAA’s Drug Problem
The NCAA’s Drug Problem - WSJ
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...Brian Hainline, appointed two years ago as the NCAA’s first chief medical officer, is using that perch to try to bring greater oversight and consistency to how the NCAA and its schools police performance-enhancing and recreational drugs in college athletics. A change he’s seeking: putting the big five conferences—as opposed to individual schools—in charge of setting policy and carrying out testing for performance-enhancing drugs. Unlike other sports, college teams conduct their own testing and mete out their own punishments—an obvious conflict of interest, in his view.
“The NCAA’s doping policy is outdated, and there needs to be more consistency among schools,” Hainline said in an interview.
...The NCAA can’t afford to increase its testing frequency enough to sufficiently police all of college sports, Hainline said. So he calls it imperative that schools—or better yet conferences—run their own testing programs. At present, schools aren’t required to do any testing above and beyond what the NCAA administers. But the NCAA says that 90% of Division I schools conduct their own testing. One school that doesn’t test is Stanford, which says it is awaiting a Pac-12-wide policy.
...In his most cynical moments, Hainline thinks that school testing could be used to make sure players won’t flunk an NCAA test. “In the worst-case scenario, you could have a school that tests just enough to make sure (drug use) is under the radar,” he said. “If it’s done internally and you have a positive, (who knows) how it’s being handled.”
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The NCAA’s Drug Problem - WSJ
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...Brian Hainline, appointed two years ago as the NCAA’s first chief medical officer, is using that perch to try to bring greater oversight and consistency to how the NCAA and its schools police performance-enhancing and recreational drugs in college athletics. A change he’s seeking: putting the big five conferences—as opposed to individual schools—in charge of setting policy and carrying out testing for performance-enhancing drugs. Unlike other sports, college teams conduct their own testing and mete out their own punishments—an obvious conflict of interest, in his view.
“The NCAA’s doping policy is outdated, and there needs to be more consistency among schools,” Hainline said in an interview.
...The NCAA can’t afford to increase its testing frequency enough to sufficiently police all of college sports, Hainline said. So he calls it imperative that schools—or better yet conferences—run their own testing programs. At present, schools aren’t required to do any testing above and beyond what the NCAA administers. But the NCAA says that 90% of Division I schools conduct their own testing. One school that doesn’t test is Stanford, which says it is awaiting a Pac-12-wide policy.
...In his most cynical moments, Hainline thinks that school testing could be used to make sure players won’t flunk an NCAA test. “In the worst-case scenario, you could have a school that tests just enough to make sure (drug use) is under the radar,” he said. “If it’s done internally and you have a positive, (who knows) how it’s being handled.”
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ScooterIrish
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I must have gotten under your skin with all the name calling you do. Very classy. Too bad you happen to be wrong on so much. I get why you would need to resort to name calling huh?
Academic rigors are not an excuse for crappy scheme, bad recruiting, bad game planning or losing to NW or Duke. Yet you keep offering up excuses.