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[BobbyMac]

Thanks for the link Whiskey...

Too bad the story below was embedded inside. Palmer to Terrell sure has a nice ring but Carson had Buckeye Fever and didn't wanna play no school. Layden really makes him look like a dolt. Beware what you say to a man with a pen and a tape recorder.

The Jarrett Payton recruitment was the low point of my ND football life. Walter is at the top of my all time favorite humans list and I almost took that personally. I've spoken to Jarrett a number of times over the years and there is no doubt in my mind he would have had a successful career at ND and been a fine representative of the university throughout his life. He and his sister Brittany are ND quality people.

Another reason I'm glad I read that: I never heard that Max Starks was Ross Browner's biological son. Stuff like that doesn't usually get under my radar. Next thing you'll tell me is Bruce Jenner is a woman.

Irish Stew How strong academic requirements, a suicidal schedule and an unproven coach have taken the fight out of Notre Dame - SI.com

 

[BobbyMac]

FO's Brian Fremeau projects ND to be the 8th best team nationally in 2015.

Would love to see the pre season / opening poll for every year going back 5 years to see if it is a good predictor. #3 Oregon & #6 UCLA seem way out of place. Oregon did get FCS stud Vernon Adams for a 5th year but still new QB's at both places. I like Rosen but he won't have UCLA at 6th and it sounds like he's 100% the expected starter.

Lastly, I wonder what FSU's ranking was pre Golson? Wonder what his value is to their metric?

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[ulukinatme]

Irish Stew How strong academic requirements, a suicidal schedule and an unproven coach have taken the fight out of Notre Dame - SI.com

Interesting quote, we need more criminals: "Notre Dame is so concerned about its
image--Catholic school, all-American boys and all that--that it
doesn't let football players be individuals. There's no attitude
in the program."


Fun fact: I apparently was at the same ND football camp with Carson Palmer in '97 and a number of other future stars. Charlie Strong was the position coach I worked with back then, but Urban Meyer was also there of course, along with Gret Mattison, and a couple of other big names...wanna say Dan Mullen.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just got a shipment of helmets in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/gold?src=hash">#gold</a> <a href="http://t.co/OSVD4wPb7f">pic.twitter.com/OSVD4wPb7f</a></p>— Ryan Grooms (@NDFBEquipment) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFBEquipment/status/595976023533039616">May 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[PANDFAN]

There are two things you can always count on with Notre Dame. First, a large segment of the public will decry the Irish as undeserving no matter what they do. And without failure, whenever you go into the year thinking their schedule is a murderer's row, several of the teams disappoint, just as whenever it looks easy, a whole bunch of teams will turn out better than expected. Looking at this year's slate, only Georgia Tech, Clemson and USC finished last season ranked. But I assume Stanford, for one, will be formidable, and I'd guess one or more among Texas, Pittsburgh and Boston College will be better than expected. By year's end Notre Dame will likely have played a respectable four or five top-25 teams.
An undefeated Irish team would have nothing to worry about. Short of that, though, the bigger concern is how the committee would deal with Notre Dame's lack of a conference championship and playing only 12 games, given what happened with the Big 12 last season. It's hard to say without knowing what the rest of the field would look like, but a one-loss Irish team could well be at a disadvantage when compared with undefeated or one-loss champions from the Power 5 conferences. AD Jack Swarbrick, one of the very people who helped formulate the playoff, has long banked on the assumption his school's schedule would counterbalance those issues. We won't know for sure until the scenario presents itself.

I hate Stewart Mandel but this is SPOT ON

 

[#1rish]

Twitter is blocked at my work but anyone care to post the tweet BK just put out? It's a pic of Jarron Jones and Shumate in a film poster of the Internship. Pretty funny. I guess there's a short movie on their internship somewhere?

 

[ulukinatme]

Twitter is blocked at my work but anyone care to post the tweet BK just put out? It's a pic of Jarron Jones and Shumate in a film poster of the Internship. Pretty funny. I guess there's a short movie on their internship somewhere?

Brian Kelly ‏@CoachBrianKelly 13m13 minutes ago

Entourage may be a blockbuster, but the movie on Jarron & Shu's summer internship would win @ Cannes

#40YearDecision
Jarron Jones™, Elijah and Maya, Mark Wahlberg and 7 others

BK apparently tagged a parody Mark Wahlberg Twitter account.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> HC position to be endowed by alum Dick Corbett’s $10M gift, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> announces—now called Corbett Family Head Football Coach</p>— Mary Green (@MaryEGreen15) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryEGreen15/status/606596664628015104">June 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This dude lives in Florida and is the chairman of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

Richard A. "Dick" Corbett has served on the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission since being appointed to a 5-year term in February 2003. In January 2008 he was reappointed, and in March 2013 he was appointed to a third term. His fellow Commissioners elected him to serve as Vice Chairman for 2010 and re-elected him for 2011. He was elected Chairman for 2013-14 and re-elected for 2014-15.
The real estate investor traces his interest in fish and wildlife conservation back to when he was an 8-year-old hunting and fishing in upstate New York.
Corbett and his wife, Cornelia, co-manage the 16,000-acre Pinckney Hill Plantation in Monticello. The north Florida plantation has been family-owned for nearly 80 years and is managed for the conservation of fish and wildlife.
The Tampa resident graduated as president of his class at Notre Dame in 1960 with a bachelor's degree in English and history. In 1964, he earned a master's degree in business administration from Harvard Business School.
Corbett advocates conserving and Florida's woodlands and its fish and wildlife resources for future generations to enjoy. He enjoys hunting, fishing, diving, skiing and golf.
Corbett's current term expires in January 2018.

 

[GoIrish41]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@NDFootball</a> HC position to be endowed by alum Dick Corbett’s $10M gift, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> announces—now called Corbett Family Head Football Coach</p>— Mary Green (@MaryEGreen15) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryEGreen15/status/606596664628015104">June 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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This dude lives in Florida and is the chairman of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

WTF? Is he going to pay the coaches salary or does every time they say BK's title they have to say the Corbett Family Head Coach Brian Kelly?

 

[woolybug25]

Dick Corbett is my spirit animal...

 

[GoIrish41]

Dick Corbett is my spirit animal...

That is a protected species in Florida .... He saw to it.

 

[dublinirish]

Incoming freshmen report to campus this day week

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One more week left in Cary&#55356;&#57152;</p>— Trevor Ruhland (@RuhlandTrevor) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuhlandTrevor/status/606833385097420800">June 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[irishfan]

Notre Dame football: Why 2015 might be Brian Kelly's best shot to win title with Fighting Irish | FOX Sports

 

[ACamp1900]

Notre Dame football: Why 2015 might be Brian Kelly's best shot to win title with Fighting Irish | FOX Sports

Stupid.

Kansas.

State.

 

[ulukinatme]

Stupid.

Kansas.

State.

Can't rep you again yet, but yes x 1000. Everyone was so happy when K State and Oregon both dropped games in Week 13 or Week 14, whenever it was, and yet some of us were lamenting the #1 spot knowing we would have had a great shot at beating either of those teams for the title...SOME people just had to have Bama.

 

[IrishLion]

I wanted Bama. I thought our run defense would shut them down and put them in bad 3rd down situations against our bend-but-don't-break.

 

[ACamp1900]

You're always wrong though, so that's nothing new.

I remember clearly thinking it was cool to be number one but that Oregon and KSU losing was a serious blow to our realistic title chances... I tried my best to convince myself otherwise but yeah.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I didn't know at the time that the ND staff was keeping it together with bailing string, bubble gum, and twine.

 

[irishfan]

Oregon and KSU lost the same night....I remember desperately wanting either one to lose then being confused how to feel when Oregon lost in OT and suddenly it was ND-Bama at 1 and 2. I think Oregon would have beaten us almost as badly as Bama. We would have beaten KSU though.

The real crap luck was Ohio State being on a bowl ban. They weren't that great in Meyer's first season, and I think we would have beaten them as well.

 

[gkIrish]

Oregon and KSU lost the same night....I remember desperately wanting either one to lose then being confused how to feel when Oregon lost in OT and suddenly it was ND-Bama at 1 and 2. I think Oregon would have beaten us almost as badly as Bama. We would have beaten KSU though.

The real crap luck was Ohio State being on a bowl ban. They weren't that great in Meyer's first season, and I think we would have beaten them as well.

A Notre Dame alum (Gene Smith) is 100% to blame for Notre Dame not winning the national championship.

 

[ACamp1900]

A Notre Dame alum (Gene Smith) is 100% to blame for Notre Dame not winning the national championship.

The AD for the suckeyes?? What did I miss?

 

[ulukinatme]

Oregon and KSU lost the same night....I remember desperately wanting either one to lose then being confused how to feel when Oregon lost in OT and suddenly it was ND-Bama at 1 and 2. I think Oregon would have beaten us almost as badly as Bama. We would have beaten KSU though.

Disagree about Oregon. If this year's playoff with tOSU proved anything once again it's that Oregon folds when a team punches them in the mouth. If you look through many of Oregon's losses the last 5-10 years they tend to do very poorly against more physical teams. They've lost to tOSU twice, Auburn, Stanford a few times, USC (To a lesser degree as they're more of what I call a finesse team), and I want to say a few others. Oregon was also being taken care of by Michigan State the 1st half last year before the Spartans crumbled. In any case, often when Oregon faces another team build for speed and finesse it either turns into a boat race or they leave them in the dust. I think we would have been very physical with Oregon in 2012 had we played and we would have been able to score enough points to win that contest as Oregon's defense has never been impressive.

The AD for the suckeyes?? What did I miss?

Gene Smith decided to allow the Buckeyes to play in the Gator Bowl in 2011 after the Tat-Gate stuff came out. If they made the smart decision to boycott the bowl as a self-imposed punishment they probably wouldn't have been banned in 2012 and would have been eligible to play in the championship game against us.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's pretty crazy when you think about how much went against ND in retrospect that season to wind up drawing Bama in the NCG, BUT --- let's not lose sight of how much incredibly good luck we had during the regular season. Goal line stops, multiple 1 score wins, a missed penalty in OT that would have made the game losing FG a chip shot, etc. The pendulum swings both ways.

 

[dublinirish]

id fully expect MSU to do a number on Oregon in East Lansing this fall

 

[ThePiombino]

http://m.ndinsider.com/football/not...420-0f19-11e5-875a-239e4130ef5f.html?mode=jqm

Regarding bringing in a 5th year QB:

“There were definitely conversations about it,” he said of adding a grad school-style, no-waiting transfer. “We had some guys that we had targeted that we had looked at.

“But as we moved forward, we looked at some future players that we had and were recruiting, and we didn’t want to crowd the space for them. That, ultimately, made our decision as to how we were going to move forward with the quarterback position.”

 

[ulukinatme]

Notebook: Kelly considered bringing in grad transfer QB of his own to ND - Notre Dame football - Mobile

Regarding bringing in a 5th year QB:

Certainly interesting regarding the 5th year issue at QB. I'm confidant Zaire can do a good job for us this season as long as Kelly doesn't ask him to do everything every game. I'm certainly more worried about the situation behind Zaire. Kizer has had a lot on his mind and isn't quite prepared yet, however getting 2nd team reps this fall should help acclimate him (Or Wimbush, whoever emerges as #2 I guess). #1 is no question, #2 is the scary part.


Another interested bit from the article:

“I think we recognized that all of my football players are at-risk — all of them — really. Honestly, I don’t know that any of our players would get into the school by themselves right now with the academic standards the way they are. Maybe one or two of our players that are on scholarship.

“So making sure that with the rigors that we put them in — playing on the road, playing night games, getting home at 4 o’clock in the morning, all of the demands that we place on them relative to the academics and going into an incredibly competitive academic classroom every day — we recognize this is a different group.

“And we have to provide all the resources necessary for them to succeed and don’t force them into finding shortcuts.

“I think we’ve clearly identified that we need to do better, and we’re not afraid to look at any shortcomings that we do have and fix them, and provide the resources necessary for our guys. Our university has looked at that, and we’re prepared to make sure that happens for our guys.”

I think the first part was particularly interesting. We've all heard the stories how the players Lou was recruiting in the mid 90s were a far cry from the guys he got in the late 80s/early 90s. They said that the guys that won that '88 championship wouldn't get past admissions today or even 15-20 years ago. The fact Kelly is saying the same thing now makes me wonder...has admissions actually released the leash a bit in recent years in regards to letting football players in (and it bit us in the butt a bit), or are they about to crack down again and make things tougher in regards to bringing in borderline guys? From Kelly's statement it seems like we have an awful lot of guys on the roster that wouldn't get in as normal students if football wasn't in the equation....and it makes me wonder if they're here today because admissions has relented a bit in recent years or if this is just a precursor to admissions starting to tighten things up again?

 

[IrishLion]

I think the first part was particularly interesting. We've all heard the stories how the players Lou was recruiting in the mid 90s were a far cry from the guys he got in the late 80s/early 90s. They said that the guys that won that '88 championship wouldn't get past admissions today or even 15-20 years ago. The fact Kelly is saying the same thing now makes me wonder...has admissions actually released the leash a bit in recent years in regards to letting football players in (and it bit us in the butt a bit), or are they about to crack down again and make things tougher in regards to bringing in borderline guys? From Kelly's statement it seems like we have an awful lot of guys on the roster that wouldn't get in as normal students if football wasn't in the equation....and it makes me wonder if they're here today because admissions has relented a bit in recent years or if this is just a precursor to admissions starting to tighten things up again?

I don't think the roster ever has more than 3 or 4 guys that could get in on their own merit, regardless of how strict admissions is cracking down on "borderline" guys. It does sound like the administration is being much more proactive in terms of give-and-take with BK/JS, though it could all be hot air from the admin and wishful thinking from BK.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Certainly interesting regarding the 5th year issue at QB. I'm confidant Zaire can do a good job for us this season as long as Kelly doesn't ask him to do everything every game. I'm certainly more worried about the situation behind Zaire. Kizer has had a lot on his mind and isn't quite prepared yet, however getting 2nd team reps this fall should help acclimate him (Or Wimbush, whoever emerges as #2 I guess). #1 is no question, #2 is the scary part.


Another interested bit from the article:



I think the first part was particularly interesting. We've all heard the stories how the players Lou was recruiting in the mid 90s were a far cry from the guys he got in the late 80s/early 90s. They said that the guys that won that '88 championship wouldn't get past admissions today or even 15-20 years ago. The fact Kelly is saying the same thing now makes me wonder...has admissions actually released the leash a bit in recent years in regards to letting football players in (and it bit us in the butt a bit), or are they about to crack down again and make things tougher in regards to bringing in borderline guys? From Kelly's statement it seems like we have an awful lot of guys on the roster that wouldn't get in as normal students if football wasn't in the equation....and it makes me wonder if they're here today because admissions has relented a bit in recent years or if this is just a precursor to admissions starting to tighten things up again?

Absolutely agree with everything you said! And outstanding point!

Here is my tick-list :

• Was the change in Lou's recruits due mainly to NCAA rule changes about recruiting?
• How have the general standards for a Notre Dame student, vis-à-vis, admission requirements changed (increased) over the years?
• Is there really a feud between athletics and admission, or is this convenient fiction?
• How different is the work-load on an ND student athlete today than in decades past?

Let's face it, when the pine bleachers were put in "The House Rockne Built," physical education was a popular major, and weight training by football athletes was discouraged.

Granted, ND had the best PE program going, so much so that a lot of students used it as a stepping stone for medical school, and the preponderance of ND grads as primary, or founding coaches and athletic directors at other national powers is incredible.

But I would love to know how much job and schedule demands for the student athlete has the increased and sophisticated in the last 80 years.

I don't think the roster ever has more than 3 or 4 guys that could get in on their own merit, regardless of how strict admissions is cracking down on "borderline" guys. It does sound like the administration is being much more proactive in terms of give-and-take with BK/JS, though it could all be hot air from the admin and wishful thinking from BK.

Didn't it seem to you as BK insinuated 1 or 2, but that he saw the main problem as the amount of work attempting both require? I thought the entirety of the quote on student athletes, and moving forward was possibly as sincere, genuine, and well spoken of a comment as I have ever heard from a football coach.

I think this quote should be framed and available for recruiting. This is something I would want to hear as a recruit or as a parent, and frankly I would like to hear it no matter how intelligent, good of student, or confident I was. If ND can sell this, our obligation to those who give so much to the University on the field, I bet more of the kids we grumblingly label athletes first, would seriously consider ND. Even though, I still don't think we get the guys who make their choice based upon the school that hooks them up with the most oral sex.\!

 

[ulukinatme]

Even though, I still don't think we get the guys who make their choice based upon the school that hooks them up with the most oral sex.\!

If I knew that oral sex was involved in my college decision that would have greatly influenced where I decided to go, not gonna lie.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If I knew that oral sex was involved in my college decision that would have greatly influenced where I decided to go, not gonna lie.

Actually, it did influence mine.

But if I had it to do again, maybe things would be different. At least I would have gotten a four year no cut contract.