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Yea. They are playing with the type of efficiency that ND isnt playing with.

They looked real efficient beating UAB 47-34.

They're good. But they're so hyped up for beating LSU (who clearly was overrated) and A&M (who shot to the Top-10 by beating a bad South Carolina team).

LSU should've lost to Wisconsin. They would have if Gordon didn't get hurt and Wisconsin wasn't forced to play their backup QB cause the starter randomly has the yips. Northwestern beat Wisconsin worse than LSU did.

What has A&M done? Beaten a 3-3 South Carolina team and beat Arkansas (3-9 last year) in overtime. Only in the SEC can that resume get you ranked #6.
 
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Ole Miss, Miss St and A&M... don't think any are all that great... They are living off of terrible OCC schedules and a down year for LSU and slightly down year for bama (Bama is still the best team in the division easily imo)...
 

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They looked real efficient beating UAB 47-34.

They're good. But they're so hyped up for beating LSU (who clearly was overrated) and A&M (who shot to the Top-10 by beating a bad South Carolina team).

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Are we talking about the same Mississippi State team that went 22-17 the last three seasons, including 9-15 in SEC play?

I actually like MSU. I've always liked Mullen (he's from New Hampshire), and I'm rooting for them to keep winning (better them than Bama/Auburn/LSU/A&M). But anyone who thinks this average SEC team is suddenly a top-5 team is going to be disappointed at the end of the year IMO. Again, I'd love to see them beat Auburn and Bama this year, but I really just don't see it happening.

I just don't believe that they went from perennial 7 or 8 win team to a sure fire top-5 team in one season.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>'s allowed FBS-low 1 drive of 75+ yards & is only team that hasn't allowed a drive longer than 75. (Rice had a 75-yard TD in 4th.)</p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/520014303412633601">October 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Three more wins and <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly">@CoachBrianKelly</a> will be the only ND coach to ever have 5 straight 8+ win seasons to start their career. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Torbinformed?src=hash">#Torbinformed</a></p>— oak (@oaknd1) <a href="https://twitter.com/oaknd1/status/519593944649187328">October 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Since the odds of ND achieving at least 8 wins this season is very high, Kelly is on track for historical greatness. That's no mean feat in South Bend.


What a Bullshit stat!

Monk would be proud that some ND Assistant SID thinks 8 wins in a 13 game year, (or 8-5 season, a 61.5 Winning Percentage which Kelly has done twice), represents "historical greatness". What next, Participation Trophies for a 3-9 season?

No ND coach before 1989 ever had the chance for an 8-5 record (season plus a bowl game) as ND had never played 13 games in a season before 1989. ND has only played 13 games in a year 10 times out of 126 years.

Holtz had 13 games in a year only twice. First in '89 because ND was in the preseason Kickoff Classic. (I was at Giants Stadium when ND routed UVA.) The second time was in '91 when ND got a bonus game for travelling to Hawaii.

By 1997 the NCAA permitted 12 game schedules allowing about half the coaches in Division 1 could get to 13 games even Bob Davie had one 13 game season. Willingham only had 1, Weis had two.

Winning 8 games is NOT a mark of distinction unless you're only playing 8, 9, or 10 games in the year.

In the 12 years when Rockne coached at least 8 games he won 8 or more 75% of the time. Actually he only had one 8 win season in those years going 8-1-1. More to the mark of historical greatness he only lost more than 2 games in a season once, 5-4 in 1928. He won 19 in a row after that with 5 UNDEFEATED SEASONS in his career.

Hunk Anderson won 75% of his games the first two season. In 1930 when he dropped to 3-5-1 despite his defense allowing only 8.9 pts/game . His career mark dropped to .629 and he was fired. Since then all coaches below that mark have been terminated. Terry Brennan was terminated with winning 64% of this games which on a 13 game basis would represent 8.3 wins/year.

Jesse Harper won 86.3% of his games but only won 6.8 games a season but he only averaged 8 games a year PLAYED.

Layden won almost 77% of his but only didn't average 7 wins in a 9 game year.

Leahy won 85.5% of his games in 13 season (11 ND plus 2 at BC) he only lost more than 2 games once and had 7 UNDEFEATED SEASONS. He went 4 YEARS WITHOUT A LOSS and averaged one loss a season at ND while facing a tough schedule with no FBS caliber teams. That in not just a mark of "historical greatness" that IS historical greatness.

Ara won 83.6% of his games at ND. In 11 years he lost more than 2 games just ONCE.



What that assistant SID should have written was something like:

After opening the first two seasons with identical 8-5 records for a .615 winning rate, which is historically unacceptable at Notre Dame, Brian Kelly is approaching the career rate of success of Layden, Holtz, and Devine.

In the last 31 games, Kelly has coached ND to a 26-5 record, an 83.6% rate of success comparable to the truly great ones, Harper, Rockne, Leahy, and Parshegian.



In a 13 game year:
13-0= 1.000
12-1 = 0.923
11-2= 0.846
10-3= 0.769
9-4= 0.692 (BELOW ND's .734 Historical Success Record with the recent 2 decades run of mediocrity)
8-5= 0.615

ND Historical Winning Percentage
1917 Harper Resigns .782
1930 Rockne's Death .820
1933 Anderson Terminated .805
1940 Layden Retired .800
1953 Leahy's "Retirement" .809
1958 Brennan Terminated .795
1963 Kuharich/Devore .764
1974 Parshegian's Retirement .774
1980 Devine Retires .774
1985 Faust Terminated .759
1996 Holtz's "Retirement" .759
2001 Davie Terminated .750
2004 Willingham Terminated .743
2009 Weis Terminated .734
2011 Kelly's back to back 8-5 seasons .731
2014 Kelly (as of 10/4/14) .734
 
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Since the odds of ND achieving at least 8 wins this season is very high, Kelly is on track for historical greatness. That's no mean feat in South Bend.

I wonder just how high he'll climb up the all-time ND wins list.

105 | Rockne
100 | Holtz
95 | Parseghian
87 | Leahy
53 | Devine
47 | Layden
42 | Kelly
35 | Davie
35 | Weis
34 | Harper
32 | Brennan

Hopefully he passes Layden this season (meaning 11+ wins), and Devine next season. If he's at ND for the Ohio State games I think he'll have more wins than Knute Rockne. It's kinda crazy to think about.
 

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I wonder just how high he'll climb up the all-time ND wins list.

105 | Rockne
100 | Holtz
95 | Parseghian
87 | Leahy
53 | Devine
47 | Layden
42 | Kelly
35 | Davie
35 | Weis
34 | Harper
32 | Brennan

Hopefully he passes Layden this season (meaning 11+ wins), and Devine next season. If he's at ND for the Ohio State games I think he'll have more wins than Knute Rockne. It's kinda crazy to think about.

There's a lot more games now per season and no ties. You win or lose. Only three of the guys above him had the benefit of bowl games. These all help him.

His age 52 is also a benefit. If Weis had overcome his management shortcomings (assistants) I suspect his work schedule and weight would have given him health issues similar to those that have plagued ND's long time coaches. Kelly seems to be a much better judge of coaching talent than Weis and deals more effectively with his assistants than Weis.

On the other hand, so many night games, ND's extensive travel, too many tough opponents, the 85 scholarship limit, ND academic admissions and classroom competition, as well as ND's du Lac, Res Life and Honesty Committee hinder him. Before Holtz the other coaches weren't hindered as much as today's coach is. A lot of Rockne's, Leahy's, and Parshegian's players wouldn't get admiited today nor make it through non-football rigors.
 

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I wonder just how high he'll climb up the all-time ND wins list.

105 | Rockne
100 | Holtz
95 | Parseghian
87 | Leahy
53 | Devine
47 | Layden
42 | Kelly
35 | Davie
35 | Weis
34 | Harper
32 | Brennan

Hopefully he passes Layden this season (meaning 11+ wins), and Devine next season. If he's at ND for the Ohio State games I think he'll have more wins than Knute Rockne. It's kinda crazy to think about.

It's kind of amazing that he takes us to the NC game, keeps us repectable with Golson gone last year, and starts out this year 5-0. He's also setting us up for continued success in the future. We are very lucky to have this guy.
 

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I wonder just how high he'll climb up the all-time ND wins list.

105 | Rockne
100 | Holtz
95 | Parseghian
87 | Leahy
53 | Devine
47 | Layden
42 | Kelly
35 | Davie
35 | Weis
34 | Harper
32 | Brennan

Hopefully he passes Layden this season (meaning 11+ wins), and Devine next season. If he's at ND for the Ohio State games I think he'll have more wins than Knute Rockne. It's kinda crazy to think about.

When reporters asked him about the Texas A&M home and home in 2024/2025, he jokingly said he would be on a beach somewhere by then.

But seriously, something makes me doubt that he'll still be our coach in 10 years. It's just too easy to burn out nowadays.

I think he could easily get that all-time ND wins record. It's just a matter of how long he wants to put up with the grind of being the coach at ND.
 
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When reporters asked him about the Texas A&M home and home in 2024/2025, he jokingly said he would be on a beach somewhere by then.

But seriously, something makes me doubt that he'll still be our coach in 10 years. It's just too easy to burn out nowadays.

Yeah, it's like being the President...it takes years off your life.
 

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Yeah, it's like being the President...it takes years off your life.


That's gray hair dye and too much Hawaiian and Vineyard sunshine. A couple of week's in Nebraska or North Dakota in January would do him wonders.
 

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When reporters asked him about the Texas A&M home and home in 2024/2025, he jokingly said he would be on a beach somewhere by then.

But seriously, something makes me doubt that he'll still be our coach in 10 years. It's just too easy to burn out nowadays.

I think he could easily get that all-time ND wins record. It's just a matter of how long he wants to put up with the grind of being the coach at ND.


With more Miami of Ohio rather than OSU's and it could happen sooner. Buster's 11 win 2014 plus a couple more 11 with a undefeated year or two and he's got it!

Although it may take an asterisk.
 

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What does BK need to accomplish as far as number of wins and championships to be vaulted into legendary status? If ND can keep him around, I think he'll make a serious run for most all-time wins. But how many championships does he need to win before people put him in the Rockne/Parseghian/Leahy/Devine/Holtz group? It's arguably much harder to win a championship now. Will zero be acceptable as long as he's among the top in all-time wins? Or does he need at least one?

I, personally, feel that BK needs to approach 90+ wins and get at least one championship before I toss him in that group of legends. ND has a history and tradition of champions. I don't see how anyone can be labeled a true ND legend w/o such victory. Just my opinion. If ND keeps him around another 5 years, I think he'll pass Leahy in all-times wins.

Fun question: What does BK need to accomplish to get a statue and personalized gate entrance?
 
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Heisman Watch: What are Everett Golson's chances?

1. QB Everett Golson, Notre Dame (Last week's ranking: No. 6)

Golson gets the nod for coming through in the clutch: Down by four points with time clicking away, Golson connected on a fourth-down pass to tight end Ben Koyack to lift the undefeated Fighting Irish past Stanford. For now, this play alone — not to mention his 17 touchdowns and 1,521 yards of offense — is enough to lift Golson to the top of the list. But it may be temporary: Notre Dame needs to win at Florida State on Oct. 18.
 

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Farley looks fresh.
 

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MRI on Collinsworth revealed a slight labrum tear. Won't need surgery but likely out 4-6 weeks.
 
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