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[Irishize]

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The problem is there are already 8 teams with at least 11 wins in front of them and another 4 with 10 that could get to 11. ND may be one of 14 teams with at least 11 wins and this is only the Power 5 schools. I don't see them leapfrogging any 11 win team that is already in front of them or any 10 win team that gets to 11 with a bowl win that is already in front of them

Yeah, I don’t see them making the top 10 either. Tough year w/ a logjam of 10 & 11 win teams. Polls did no favors for ND post-UM when they pretty much stayed dormant despite dominating wins over their remaining opponents. I think they needed a win over an impressive opponent to even get near the top 10.

 

[Irishize]

After watching the bowl, Im thoroughly convinced this was a top ten, very good team, that might have crapped the bed one week, but showed up the rest.

*If they merely pissed the bed, top ten would already be a foregone conclusion.


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Meanwhile other teams get a pass for crapping the bed whether it was a blowout loss like UM to Wisky or OU losing to KSU & Wisky losing to Illinois.

If ND had got blown out like OU did Sat night, the polls would’ve dropped ND well below the top 5. Meanwhile, OU probably gets dropped no lower than 6

 

[Luckylucci]

I think there is still too much football to be played to make a confident statement on this but there will probably be a few L's from teams that ND should be in front of when this is all said and done. Some from teams ND should be in front of already.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I think there is still too much football to be played to make a confident statement on this but there will probably be a quite a few L's from teams that ND should be in front of when this is all said and done. Some from teams ND should be in front of already.

Well its a tight squeeze at best. I would
put 7 teams into the LOCK category right now for top ten finish:

LSU, Clemson, OSU, Oklahoma (dont agree, but it is what it is), Georgia/Baylor winner, Wisky/Oregon winner, Penn State

Florida is a virtual lock, because they should beat Virginia to bring it to 8

Bama/Michigan winner will probably bring it to 9.......

I only see one empty spot really



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[stpeteirish]

I think there is still too much football to be played to make a confident statement on this but there will probably be a quite a few L's from teams that ND should be in front of when this is all said and done. Some from teams ND should be in front of already.

Besides the loser of the Ala-Mich game who do you see us passing? Utah, if they lose to Tex, but they probably won't. Maybe Baylor, if Ga rolls them, but that's about it.

After yesterday we should be ahead of the entire Big12 but I don't see that happening.

 

[Luckylucci]

Quite a few was poor word choice. A few is more accurate. UM, Wiscy/Oregon, Baylor, and possibly Utah. The other part of it also is we now have a common opponent with Baylor and Utah. In both scenarios we had substantially more impressive performances. Utah shouldn't be ahead of us anyways and beating Texas should be a less impressive win that our beatdown of a better ISU team.

 

[Luckylucci]

How a Utah team that has no top 25 wins and common opponent Loss was/is ahead of us is hilarious.

 

[Irishize]

How a Utah team that has no top 25 wins and common opponent Loss was/is ahead of us is hilarious.

Yet media still raves about their defense. Even Douglas Farmer at NBC Sports said they deserve a higher rating than ND b/c they shouldn’t get penalized for “one bad night”

 

[stlnd01]

Yet media still raves about their defense. Even Douglas Farmer at NBC Sports said they deserve a higher rating than ND b/c they shouldn’t get penalized for “one bad night”

We’ve been getting crucified for one bad night since late October.

 

[Dizzyphil]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 2015 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> team lost Will Fuller, Chris Brown & Amir Carlisle. Combined stats: 142 catches, 2,210 yards and 19 TDs <a href="https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx">https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/1212870034638430208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ThePiombino]

We&#146;ve been getting crucified for one bad night since late October.

Yep, no two ways about it

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[BobbyMac]

Am I missing something???

Prister forgot:

Prosise = 26/308/1

Robinson = 16/200/1

Hounshell = 1/6/0

Total = 43/308/2

GT = 185/2724/21

Maybe he covered it in the tweet later.

 

[ThePiombino]

Am I missing something???

Prister forgot:

Prosise = 26/308/1

Robinson = 16/200/1

Hounshell = 1/6/0

Total = 43/308/2

GT = 185/2724/21

Maybe he covered it in the tweet later.

He was referring the starting WRs

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[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 2015 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> team lost Will Fuller, Chris Brown & Amir Carlisle. Combined stats: 142 catches, 2,210 yards and 19 TDs <a href="https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx">https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/1212870034638430208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He was referring the starting WRs

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It's funny, in another thread I was just agreeing with Koon that the WR corps will be sketchy next season. There will be a lot of talent, but they're all fairly unproven. The last time that happened was 2016 when we had Torii Hunter, a young EQ, and Sanders replacing the guys just mentioned. Didn't turn out very well, mostly because we didn't focus on our run game behind a talented OL.

 

[Irish#1]

I think the WR's will be fine next year. Especially with Book at the QB position.

 

[BabyIrish]

It's funny, in another thread I was just agreeing with Koon that the WR corps will be sketchy next season. There will be a lot of talent, but they're all fairly unproven. The last time that happened was 2016 when we had Torii Hunter, a young EQ, and Sanders replacing the guys just mentioned. Didn't turn out very well, mostly because we didn't focus on our run game behind a talented OL.

Were the receivers the reason we lost so much in 2016 though? As far as I can recall without doing any research, they were not the reason. I think it fell primarily on the shoulders of the defense.

 

[ThePiombino]

Were the receivers the reason we lost so much in 2016 though? As far as I can recall without doing any research, they were not the reason. I think it fell primarily on the shoulders of the defense.

Yeah, that was largely the BVG chickens coming home to roost.

 

[stlnd01]

I think the WR's will be fine next year. Especially with Book at the QB position.

Yep. We’ll miss Claypool and Kmet for sure. But Austin has lots of potential and now two years in our program. He should be raring to go. At TE , I wouldn’t sleep on Tremble as a receiver.
Finke is a replacement level player and I think you’d expect Keys to be at least as good if not better. Lenzy needs more touches and brings an element our passing game lacked until he started getting the all more late in the season.
Skowronek, if healthy, looks like a clear upgrade on McKinley as a pass catcher (and maybe we still get McKinley back too?).
Then there the young/new guys. Some of them should contribute next year.
And having a three year starter at QB “should” make everything easier for everyone.
It’ll be OK.

 

[Cali_domer]

Unacceptable, CEO taking it to the extreme.
https://www.ndinsider.com/recruitin...cle_6eef15ae-7f01-5030-b9f5-65aa6b1f2a3d.html

Getting into the top 5 in recruiting may be as easy as Kelly doing something. Year 11 and still learning on the job.

 

[Luckylucci]

Were the receivers the reason we lost so much in 2016 though? As far as I can recall without doing any research, they were not the reason. I think it fell primarily on the shoulders of the defense.

Yea, there really wasn't much of a difference in production of the passing game between 16' and 19'. The top 3 pass catchers (yards) in 16' were ESB (961), Hunter (521), and Stepherson (462). In 2019, it was Claypool (1037), Kmet (515), Finke (461). So, it's a combined 2,013 to 1,944. That was also over 13 games for 19' and only 12 for 16'. Not sure that narrative has much worth.

Also, Kizer avg. more pass yards/game. As well as, avg. more Yds./att than Book did this year. Which is usually a sign of more big plays in the passing game. So it wasn't just about volume because they 'had too'. Kizer avg. less than 1 pass attempt/game than Book.

 

[Crazy Balki]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 2015 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> team lost Will Fuller, Chris Brown & Amir Carlisle. Combined stats: 142 catches, 2,210 yards and 19 TDs <a href="https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx">https://t.co/cfkxcNIztx</a></p>— Irish Illustrated (@timprister) <a href="https://twitter.com/timprister/status/1212870034638430208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The receivers and TEs are more talented going into this year than in 2016. Not to mention, there is far less drama revolving around the offensive staff and at QB.

In '16, ND didn't just lose their 3 starters at receiver, they also lost their most productive TE in Mack to suspension, and Hunter was the most productive returning receiver and he was never the same caliber player after the horrid cheap shot he took vs. Texas. Robinson also retired from football prior to 2016.

This year, ND returns a lot more talent and a lot of these are guys who have seen legitimate playing time.

Losing Claypool and Kmet sucks, but ND is getting back arguably their most talented receiver on roster in Kevin Austin, they're adding a veteran and solid possession guy in Skowronek, Lenzy and Keys will be healthy and have more established roles. Then of course, there's the elite talent of Jordan Johnson and Xavier Watts incoming. Not to mention that ND has Tommy Tremble who looks like ND's Irv Smith Jr mulligan, on top of adding Mayer who is an absolute specimen. Also get to see what Takacs is made of if he can stay healthy.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Disgusting. This should be a firing worthy offense. https://twitter.com/BrianPolian/status/1214333205702205440

 

[Meatloaf]

Disgusting. This should be a firing worthy offense. https://twitter.com/BrianPolian/status/1214333205702205440

 

[IrishLion]

Disgusting. This should be a firing worthy offense. https://twitter.com/BrianPolian/status/1214333205702205440

C'mon man, Celine's not THAT bad

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Save some minor potential post-NCG shuffling at the top, here are the final FEI rankings for last season: ND was 7th overall, 25th offense, 5th defense.

 

[Blazers46]

Disgusting. This should be a firing worthy offense. https://twitter.com/BrianPolian/status/1214333205702205440

He is a special teams coach... kickers and punters tend to swing from a different tree at times.

 

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[beryirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The word “fan” confuses me like no other these days.. how u gonna be a “fan” yet hate more than anyone? You can’t do nothin as a ND player &#55357;&#56834;</p>— Braden Lenzy (@blspeedy21) <a href="https://twitter.com/blspeedy21/status/1215332980001869824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Dizzyphil]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's been a while so we forget, but Kevin Austin is, like, really good. <a href="https://t.co/pW6tKGJZ5o">pic.twitter.com/pW6tKGJZ5o</a></p>— Greg Flammang (@greg2126) <a href="https://twitter.com/greg2126/status/1215999870533652482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[WilliamWallace]

Hopefully we will actually get to see him this year