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I've tried to remain positive on the season as I went in just wanting to enjoy it, knowing it's the last. Being a generally optimistic person I figured they'd have to really F this up for me to not like it. And, now, I'm having a hard time not being very displeased with how this season has played out. This last episode better be pretty damn amazing or this whole thing has been ruined. Pretty amazing how shitty this has been.
 

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I'm with Whiskey and Lion, at this point it would be almost redeeming if they just troll everyone with some completely left field ending that doesn't even make any sense in context of this season, let alone the previous ones.
 

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If Bran does not play some sort of significant role in the ending or the "next beginning" (if that makes sense), then I'm going postal. And nobody will care, lol.
 

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It's not going "mad" it's strategic. "If you rise up against me I will turn you all into ash." --- "Hey guys better listen to this woman because I survived Kings Landing."

She knows she's not the rightful heir to the seven kingdoms. She knows that more and more people know that. She knows that people love Jon more than they love her. She knows she would only have Drogon/Unsullied/Dothraki on her side over all of Westeros on Jon's side.

She didn't want to do what she did but it was what she had to do strategically to keep her safe on the throne that she has worked towards getting. She had to show the ultimate fear on what Drogon can and will do if anyone tries to rise up against her.

Remember, it's war. Innocent people die.

That's my impression when I watched her again. It's not like they showed her on Drogon laughing enjoying what she was doing. That is "mad".

Joffrey didn't just kill Ned. I remember seeing Sansa and Arya's handmaiden's head on a pike also. She was an innocent life but Joffrey had her killed also to send a message. Joffrey wasn't mad - he was just a young idiot power driven kid.

She had no reason to believe that the people of kings landing hated her. They don't even know her. Burning the red keep would send a stong enough message by itself.

Plus if she's really concerned about the lineage she should have just killed Jon. Not burn the whole city ensuring everyone does really hate her and keeping around the person with the better claim who is a sane alternative.
 
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If Bran does not play some sort of significant role in the ending or the "next beginning" (if that makes sense), then I'm going postal. And nobody will care, lol.

Agree. I've been saying this for the last 3 weeks. If Bran doesn't have some sort of "oh shit" moment in which things start to make sense for his character arc I'm going to be super pissed. All the time spent developing this mystic warging, 3ER, greenseeing, omniscient character with literally nothing to show for it except a confusing bait tactic against the NK and the "big reveal" that Sam could have done himself with a little reading.
 

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If Bran does not play some sort of significant role in the ending or the "next beginning" (if that makes sense), then I'm going postal. And nobody will care, lol.

Agree. I've been saying this for the last 3 weeks. If Bran doesn't have some sort of "oh shit" moment in which things start to make sense for his character arc I'm going to be super pissed. All the time spent developing this mystic warging, 3ER, greenseeing, omniscient character with literally nothing to show for it except a confusing bait tactic against the NK and the "big reveal" that Sam could have done himself with a little reading.

Nothing proves the showrunners' failure to understand the genre they're working in as much as Bran's continued uselessness.
 

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Nothing proves the showrunners' failure to understand the genre they're working in as much as Bran's continued uselessness.

Jon's (As the central character) complete inability to stop fucking up is a close second.
 

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She had no reason to believe that the people of kings landing hated her. They don't even know her. Burning the red keep would send a stong enough message by itself.

Plus if she's really concerned about the lineage she should have just killed Jon. Not burn the whole city ensuring everyone does really hate her and keeping around the person with the better claim who is a sane alternative.

This is just how women rule brah... the only thing making sense here is Dany not making sense.
 

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I think while a lot of people are pointing out that GRRM no longer providing a blueprint has shown D&D's limitations, another thing that isn't discussed enough is the possibility that HBO pouring so much money into the production of the show may eventually be seen as more of a curse than a blessing.

I can't help but think back on how the War of the Five Kings lasted 3ish seasons and we only saw one large battle scene. The limitations in budget meant that we had to spend more time in dialogue scenes, which led to better understanding of what everyone was thinking and doing and gave much more opportunity to explain to the audience what the larger context was for their actions. In season 8 there's barely any discussion among the characters except them quickly explaining what they are going to be doing in the next scene.
 

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If Bran does not play some sort of significant role in the ending or the "next beginning" (if that makes sense), then I'm going postal. And nobody will care, lol.

Agree. I've been saying this for the last 3 weeks. If Bran doesn't have some sort of "oh shit" moment in which things start to make sense for his character arc I'm going to be super pissed. All the time spent developing this mystic warging, 3ER, greenseeing, omniscient character with literally nothing to show for it except a confusing bait tactic against the NK and the "big reveal" that Sam could have done himself with a little reading.

Nothing proves the showrunners' failure to understand the genre they're working in as much as Bran's continued uselessness.

Bran as the 3ER is obviously supposed to be a foil to the Night King (or just The Great Other, in the book universe), but it was generally a failed story line. It was intriguing at first, but only because the promise of revelation was there. But they ended up not giving us that; no explicit motivation or domineering theme... just setting up a guy that can prove Jon's parentage and then act like bait.

I thought the next logical step to the above (failed) plot line would have been setting up Bran as the best potential ruler of Westeros when the dust settles. I've said it several times in my predictions, but I figured his abilities made him the perfect dude for Jon to leave in charge, especially since Jon doesn't even want to rule... but the show ruined that, too, by not developing any connection between the two once they both reunited in Winterfell.

Jon could have discussed the weight of history with Bran, and through dialogue could have come to the realization that the best ruler is not Dany, but instead the dude that is omniscient, but is also sure to leave all emotion out of his decisions as ruler... but instead he was just like "LOL sit there in your Professor X chair and wait for the Night King... We're gonna get him so good!"

I guess Bran could still end up ruling, but it would feel kind of empty and undeveloped, which says a lot about the show I guess, when you consider how much screen time was dedicated to getting him North of the Wall and then back South of the Wall.

My money is on Sansa as the ruler, since they seemed to have developed her storyline as a plotter and schemer, as well as a stubborn Lady Ruler, in a much more deliberate sense.
 

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My money is on Sansa as the ruler, since they seemed to have developed her storyline as a plotter and schemer, as well as a stubborn Lady Ruler, in a much more deliberate sense.

I could be wrong, because clearly I'm not on the same wavelength as these writers, but I'd put the chances of Sansa willingly leaving the North for Kings Landing/whatever the capital is now at about 0%. Starks going South don't end well, and she's more aware of that than most at this point.
 

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I could be wrong, because clearly I'm not on the same wavelength as these writers, but I'd put the chances of Sansa willingly leaving the North for Kings Landing/whatever the capital is now at about 0%. Starks going South don't end well, and she's more aware of that than most at this point.

It makes more sense that Sansa would be like "I don't care who sits in the rubble of the Red Keep, I'm gonna stay cool in the Independent North," but she's really the only main character left that has been groomed and developed in legit politics based on the show's narrative, so it would make sense that she at least has a hand in ruling... I guess asking B&W to make logical decisions with their own characters is too much at this point, though.

Plus, I don't think the next ruler is gonna be parking their ass in King's Landing regardless, so I don't think it would be a roadblock to any potential winner of the "Lord of Westeros" sweepstakes.
 

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I could be wrong, because clearly I'm not on the same wavelength as these writers, but I'd put the chances of Sansa willingly leaving the North for Kings Landing/whatever the capital is now at about 0%. Starks going South don't end well, and she's more aware of that than most at this point.

Who says she would have to go south to rule? I mean, they just destroyed the capital and there's not exactly any strong armies left in the south that could put up a fight. Plus, with how hard it is to fight in the north and the loyalty northerners show to the Starks, it would probably be a more stable position of power than King's Landing was. As long as she has good relationships with whatever lords are going to be put in all these empty castles, would ruling from a different location really matter to the people?
 

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It makes more sense that Sansa would be like "I don't care who sits in the rubble of the Red Keep, I'm gonna stay cool in the Independent North," but she's really the only main character left that has been groomed and developed in legit politics based on the show's narrative, so it would make sense that she at least has a hand in ruling... I guess asking B&W to make logical decisions with their own characters is too much at this point, though.

Plus, I don't think the next ruler is gonna be parking their ass in King's Landing regardless, so I don't think it would be a roadblock to any potential winner of the "Lord of Westeros" sweepstakes.

I guess the capital of the 7 Kingdoms could be in the North, but it feels wrong. It's such an independent region culturally that was barely reigned in to begin with, I can't imagine them actually controlling Westeros or putting up with the South. If Sansa is going to be a ruler it's going to be over an independent North IMO.
 

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I could be wrong, because clearly I'm not on the same wavelength as these writers,...


I guess the capital of the 7 Kingdoms could be in the North, but it feels wrong. It's such an independent region culturally that was barely reigned in to begin with, I can't imagine them actually controlling Westeros or putting up with the South. If Sansa is going to be a ruler it's going to be over an independent North IMO.

There you go making the same mistakes over and over like you're Jon Snow or something... remember thinking coherently about this shit is off the table now....
 

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Jon's (As the central character) complete inability to stop fucking up is a close second.

Benioff admitted that's part of their "subverted expectations!" schtick. Stupid, but at least we know the reason behind it.

But Bran's marginalization?

GRRM: "So the youngest male Stark is a mystic with direct access to the Old Gods, the only good spiritual reality in my story. He's got vast psychic powers that allow him to, among other things, see the future and influence the past. He's the perfect vehicle for highlighting how the current events in Westeros' are reenacting the Age of Heroes, warging into powerful beasts like dragons, providing the heroes with the intel they need to defeat the Others..."

D&D: "A creepy crippled boy who's basically exposition on a stick? Got it. We'll have him disclose a really juicy *enthusiastic winking* plot point in S8."
 

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I guess the capital of the 7 Kingdoms could be in the North, but it feels wrong. It's such an independent region culturally that was barely reigned in to begin with, I can't imagine them actually controlling Westeros or putting up with the South. If Sansa is going to be a ruler it's going to be over an independent North IMO.

Maybe they go with no ruler? Dany went crazy and doesn't really deserve the throne at this point, but at least she broke the wheel?

She didn't leave a Red Keep for the next ruler, and there's apparently not a rush for the important lords and their houses to show up at KL to see what's shaking out, so maybe the end is that everyone just kind of leaves, and the question that we've all been waiting for (existential threat that was exterminated not included, of course) doesn't even get an answer.
 

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I guess the capital of the 7 Kingdoms could be in the North, but it feels wrong. It's such an independent region culturally that was barely reigned in to begin with, I can't imagine them actually controlling Westeros or putting up with the South. If Sansa is going to be a ruler it's going to be over an independent North IMO.

Well if in real life a couple of small islands in the North Atlantic could rule billions of people half a world away with different color skin anything is possible I guess...

Fuck it, at this point I want Bronn for the Iron Throne. What's double Highgarden?
 

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I honestly think if you had given IE collective control over the narrative for Seasons 7 & 8 we would've done a better job than these "professionals."
 

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Well if in real life a couple of small islands in the North Atlantic could rule billions of people half a world away with different color skin anything is possible I guess...

Fuck it, at this point I want Bronn for the Iron Throne. What's double Highgarden?

The Night's Watch of Scotland tried warning you all about those fuckers for ages... no one listened. Not our fault the white walkers eventually ventured out and wrecked shit.
 

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Well if in real life a couple of small islands in the North Atlantic could rule billions of people half a world away with different color skin anything is possible I guess...

Fuck it, at this point I want Bronn for the Iron Throne. What's double Highgarden?

That would actually be a wonderful LOL ending if the final episode is as bad as people are saying.

The episode seems to end with some dramatic scene where a main character leaves on a cliffhanger, hinting at a future of turmoil where the whole ordeal of "People Are Terrible In Their Quest For Power" is just gonna start again immediately...

Cut to black... BUT WAIT. There's an epilogue.


EPILOGUE: SCENE 1

[CAMERA PANS IN VERY LOW, SKIMMING OVER THE GROUND, SHOWING BOOTS WALKING THROUGH RUBBLE]

[SLOWLY PAN UP FROM RUBBLE TO SEE A BROKEN, BENT, PARTIALLY-MELTED IRON THRONE]

[A MAN, ONE HAND ON POMMEL OF A SHEATHED SWORD, ANOTHER HAND HOLDING A CUP OF WINE, SLOWLY WALKS TOWARD THRONE.]

[MAN PAUSES, SIGHS, RELEASES SWORD HANDLE, AND NONCHALANTLY BRUSHES RUBBLE FROM THE BROKEN THRONE, TURNS, SITS DOWN]

[BRONN:] About time I got my fooking castle.
 

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I honestly think if you had given IE collective control over the narrative for Seasons 7 & 8 we would've done a better job than these "professionals."

No question. I wish there was some sort of reprimand for the writers. Instead they’re just going to write the spin-offs?
 

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If we were writing GOT this magnificent bastard would've won in Season 2 and brought the Starks back into the fold by delivering their daughter and giving them Joffrey:

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Idk, seems like way too many people would care about Cincinnati Football and Chili if IE ran the world

This is where the Ice and Fire of IE would go to war... no doubt.
 
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