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This shouldn't even be a discussion. If these kids were dumb enough to drive around with pot and a loaded gun, they deserve to be arrested.

Suuuuuuper late and in general I agree with this but I'd like to know more about the circumstances surrounding the search. If they rolled down the window and a cloud of smoke blew right into his face than, yeah, just doing his job. If he decided to search around the car because the demographics of the car were outside his expectations, than I'm a little less likely to say good on you.

But yeah, these guys deserve 0 leniency because of their status as ND football players. As American citizens, they may or may not have deserved better treatment under the fourth amendment.
 

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You been over, and eating beans, cold, out of the cupboard again?


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With all due respect...when you run from the cops after they tell you to stop, it is always the alleged perps fault.

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The kids made some very bad decisions that will affect their football careers.Best cut them loose and move on.
 

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The kids made some very bad decisions that will affect their football careers.Best cut them loose and move on.
Lulz. These young adults made some very bad decisions that potentially could affect their lives outside of sports. While their football productivity comes first for some, I'm sure life outside of the football field, like the possibility of jail, is more important for them. Then again, considering the situation they're now in, maybe not.
 

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I would have cut butler also for assault on a cop

Didn't cut Tommy...he did it too.

I'd have had a hard time retaining either one for going at a cop. Obviously there might be aggravating or mitigating circumstances that make you treat each situation differently...but you need to make sure your decisions compute with the team...rationale needs to be clear.
 

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Feel better about the program than I have in years. SEC type arrests hopefully will equate to SEC type success. Finally getting away from those silly academic suspensions and going bit-time! Playoffs here we come!

That's exactly what an sec fan told me the day after all this hit the news-wouldn't miss a game down there, but I make a prediction that these guys are gone. Would you really want these guys on the field for Notre Dame? I'd rather lose. Was anyone in the car innocent-that's the question that's important to me. As far as assaulting a police officer-c'mon man how does that guy stay in school let alone still be kept on the team. This is bad stuff (real bad) not streaking or some campus life issue this is breaking the law. I hope all the jokes about them staying on the team is just you guys being silly and not your real feelings. Your not doing the system any good and certainly not doing the young men any good by letting this slide. Let the other creep programs in the country win with no caution to what the %$#@ they're doing off the field but not Notre Dame please not Notre Dame. Years ago I was on a plane and sat near a player with a Notre Dame blazer on going back to school and you should have seen how the people on the plane treated the guy---like he was royalty---don't tarnish that!
 
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Didn't cut Tommy...he did it too.

I'd have had a hard time retaining either one for going at a cop. Obviously there might be aggravating or mitigating circumstances that make you treat each situation differently...but you need to make sure your decisions compute with the team...rationale needs to be clear.

Or a story or two may have been cooked. Somewhere around the line between assaulting a police officer, and resisting arrest.

Devin Butler is dismissed automatically, and immediately from UND, because all ND students charged with felonies are dismissed. Unless there is doubt about the validity of the process resulting in arrest and indictment.

Hmm, maybe that is why he was indefinitely suspended by Kelly?

Is that one of the things that make you go, hmm, or what?
 

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That's exactly what an sec fan told me the day after all this hit the news-wouldn't miss a game down there, but I make a prediction that these guys are gone. Would you really want these guys on the field for Notre Dame? I'd rather lose. Was anyone in the car innocent-that's the question that's important to me. As far as assaulting a police officer-c'mon man how does that guy stay in school let alone still be kept on the team. This is bad stuff (real bad) not streaking or some campus life issue this is breaking the law. I hope all the jokes about them staying on the team is just you guys being silly and not your real feelings. Your not doing the system any good and certainly not doing the young men any good by letting this slide. Let the other creep programs in the country win with no caution to what the %$#@ they're doing off the field but not Notre Dame please not Notre Dame. Years ago I was on a plane and sat near a player with a Notre Dame blazer on going back to school and you should have seen how the people on the plane treated the guy---like he was royalty---don't tarnish that!

I think for me what makes the University of Notre Dame truly special is not anything that can be proclaimed or enshrined or glamorized. Nor is it the rich history or the sanctification of moral reputation or the gold atop the dome. It's the way that ND (at its best) strives to build and protect family by modeling values like forgiveness, responsibility and personal growth. This does not come without mistakes, sometimes even more severe ones. I hope that the University does the right thing by considering all aspects of wrongdoing in a fair manner, deliver a just consequence within reason and with compassion, and encourage a new path for those young people who made mistakes. Even those with fine blazers and ND embroidery are oft to make mistakes, both publicly and in private. The system is only a system when the sport is put above the human, and these are real people we are speaking of having to face real consequences. They aren't thugs. They're just people, and more specifically, part of the Notre Dame family.
 
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That's exactly what an sec fan told me the day after all this hit the news-wouldn't miss a game down there, but I make a prediction that these guys are gone. Would you really want these guys on the field for Notre Dame? I'd rather lose. Was anyone in the car innocent-that's the question that's important to me. As far as assaulting a police officer-c'mon man how does that guy stay in school let alone still be kept on the team. This is bad stuff (real bad) not streaking or some campus life issue this is breaking the law. I hope all the jokes about them staying on the team is just you guys being silly and not your real feelings. Your not doing the system any good and certainly not doing the young men any good by letting this slide. Let the other creep programs in the country win with no caution to what the %$#@ they're doing off the field but not Notre Dame please not Notre Dame. Years ago I was on a plane and sat near a player with a Notre Dame blazer on going back to school and you should have seen how the people on the plane treated the guy---like he was royalty---don't tarnish that!

Waitso you want these guys gone from the University of Notre Dame? how many players do you think we would have left if you kneahow much away they smoked? Not sure we would field a team. Be like watching we are Marshall all over again. I don't think any recruits would come here either, one failed pot test and you're out? This is college for goodness sakes. They weren't even smoking in the case!

Let's make an example of these guys I can see. I'm sure they will miss a quarter and have alms community service. What if the weed wasn't even stephersons or coneys? You're gonna throw away something they've worked there whole lives for over some weed? You would be ruining these kids lives and it would look terrible for ND!

Should Devin Butler be gone? For sure, the guy with the gun? 100% the weed though? Community service and have them run till they run in the low 4.4's
 
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I think for me what makes the University of Notre Dame truly special is not anything that can be proclaimed or enshrined or glamorized. Nor is it the rich history or the sanctification of moral reputation or the gold atop the dome. It's the way that ND (at its best) strives to build and protect family by modeling values like forgiveness, responsibility and personal growth. This does not come without mistakes, sometimes even more severe ones. I hope that the University does the right thing by considering all aspects of wrongdoing in a fair manner, deliver a just consequence within reason and with compassion, and encourage a new path for those young people who made mistakes. Even those with fine blazers and ND embroidery are oft to make mistakes, both publicly and in private. The system is only a system when the sport is put above the human, and these are real people we are speaking of having to face real consequences. They aren't thugs. They're just people, and more specifically, part of the Notre Dame family.

Great post! Deserves to be quoted, repeated, and seconded, I'll do that part!
 

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I know what I have to say will not be popular with many of you in this forum, feel free to tell me so.

I am not okay with Notre Dame athletes acting like this. The hot box run is absolutely unacceptable. If you are an ND fan and think that it is acceptable then I don't think you really support the ideals of Notre Dame. I see so many people in these forums scoffing at SEC teams where this happens and when it happens at Notre Dame all of a sudden the response becomes "It is just weed...it's almost legal anyway."

I'm not even getting into the gun and the alleged drunken assault. If you are a student-athlete at ND, the weed smoking is unacceptable period. I don't give a damn what "most college students" do. Most college students have not been presented with full scholarships to attend Notre Dame Du Lac. What "most college students" do is irrelevant. Notre Dame has always expected more out of it's student-athletes and these guys accepted scholarships fully aware of these higher expectations.

I for one would like to see something more than 2 game suspensions for the remaining four players (now that Redfield is gone).

If that makes me "out of touch" or whatever else you want to call me...fine. Because the insults you hurl at me, you hurl at Notre Dame and the ideals upon which it is built.
 
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I know what I have to say will not be popular with many of you in this forum, feel free to tell me so.

I am not okay with Notre Dame athletes acting like this. The hot box run is absolutely unacceptable. If you are an ND fan and think that it is acceptable then I don't think you really support the ideals of Notre Dame. I see so many people in these forums scoffing at SEC teams where this happens and when it happens at Notre Dame all of a sudden the response becomes "It is just weed...it's almost legal anyway."

I'm not even getting into the gun and the alleged drunken assault. If you are a student-athlete at ND, the weed smoking is unacceptable period. I don't give a damn what "most college students" do. Most college students have not been presented with full scholarships to attend Notre Dame Du Lac. What "most college students" do is irrelevant. Notre Dame has always expected more out of it's student-athletes and these guys accepted scholarships fully aware of these higher expectations.

I for one would like to see something more than 2 game suspensions for the remaining four players (now that Redfield is gone).

If that makes me "out of touch" or whatever

else you want to call me...fine. Because the insults you hurl at me, you hurl at Notre Dame and the ideals around which it is built upon.

Great post, can't argue with anything you had to say. I just think two games is a little bit to much. Rees only got one for kicking a cop and running from them. Not trying to compare penalties even though I just did I was more so making an example


Once again awesome post, bro
 

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Too much speculation. So consider if Im driving to work and you are in the passenger seat. I have a loaded handgun under the seat....do you even know about it? Do you know if I have several ounces of cocaine in the trunk?

I mean there needs to be some common sense here. If the gun was sitting on someones lap, yeah you have something because everyone knew it was right there. If the drugs were out and everyone saw it, then you have something there. If not, it has to go on the owner of the car. I mean, did Williams know there was a gun in the way back? Was he smoking the weed? If not, how do you pin it on him?

We all think that the team is so tight, well, if they were, then at least one of them would have known and asked to be sure.

Common sense is something that you apply before something happens, not retroactively.

Also, if I trust you enough to get rides to work, then I am going to have an idea of what I am doing and who you are, so yeah, I will have an idea if you are the kind of person I should literally trusting with my life. That would show me exercising common sense.
 
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Make your own comparisons.

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In the wake of Ouachita Parish District Attorney Jerry Jones's announcement tof the decision to decline to prosecution of Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones on drug and weapons charges, and more specifically his ill-advised comments explaining the rationale, college football writers have been in a feeding frenzy. Per usual, game suspension is the only acceptable form of punishment and must be handed down in some form to both players. Unfortunately most of the pundits have seemingly failed to consider one very important question:

What if they truly did nothing wrong?

Robinson apparently has no priors, and by all accounts is well respected in the community in Monroe and in Tuscaloosa. What if the small amount of marijuana belonged to one of the other two people in the car, and the owner tried to hide it when the police rolled up?

What if the real story goes something like this:

Four old friends get together during their summer break and decide to hit the town. They stop off at a couple of parties, hit a few of their old spots. It gets to be 2am, everything is closed, but they aren't quite ready to go home. They pull into a park behind Neville High School, where Hootie Jones played, to reminisce. They are sitting there, bothering no one, talking trash about their high school football days, girls they dated, good times they had growing up. No one is smoking. There is a gun under the seat that belongs to Cam Robinson, that he purchased and has no idea it had been reported stolen.

What if it really is that simple? What if they didn't know the park was closed? What if the officer was mistaken about the smell of marijuana, or the smell was on their clothes from a party they had attended earlier? The officer was correct to pull up to the car if the park was closed, but what if he was out of line otherwise, and should have simply told them that they had to leave? Do we put so much trust in the police that we dismiss the very idea that they may have been wrong?

I'll wait to see what charges are filed and against whom.

Now University discipline is another matter.
 
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That's exactly what an sec fan told me the day after all this hit the news-wouldn't miss a game down there, but I make a prediction that these guys are gone. Would you really want these guys on the field for Notre Dame? I'd rather lose. Was anyone in the car innocent-that's the question that's important to me. As far as assaulting a police officer-c'mon man how does that guy stay in school let alone still be kept on the team. This is bad stuff (real bad) not streaking or some campus life issue this is breaking the law. I hope all the jokes about them staying on the team is just you guys being silly and not your real feelings. Your not doing the system any good and certainly not doing the young men any good by letting this slide. Let the other creep programs in the country win with no caution to what the %$#@ they're doing off the field but not Notre Dame please not Notre Dame. Years ago I was on a plane and sat near a player with a Notre Dame blazer on going back to school and you should have seen how the people on the plane treated the guy---like he was royalty---don't tarnish that!

Oh, I agree. Just trying to laugh at an otherwise disappointing situation.
 

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I still don't get how the gun was found under a back seat. IIRC correctly the car was reported as a Ford Focus. Those don't have areas under the back seat without actually removing the back seat. Also, how do 5 big dudes fit in a car that small without knowing it's in the car. There isn't much, if any, extra space after they pack in.
 

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I know what I have to say will not be popular with many of you in this forum, feel free to tell me so.

I am not okay with Notre Dame athletes acting like this. The hot box run is absolutely unacceptable. If you are an ND fan and think that it is acceptable then I don't think you really support the ideals of Notre Dame. I see so many people in these forums scoffing at SEC teams where this happens and when it happens at Notre Dame all of a sudden the response becomes "It is just weed...it's almost legal anyway."

I'm not even getting into the gun and the alleged drunken assault. If you are a student-athlete at ND, the weed smoking is unacceptable period. I don't give a damn what "most college students" do. Most college students have not been presented with full scholarships to attend Notre Dame Du Lac. What "most college students" do is irrelevant. Notre Dame has always expected more out of it's student-athletes and these guys accepted scholarships fully aware of these higher expectations.

I for one would like to see something more than 2 game suspensions for the remaining four players (now that Redfield is gone).

If that makes me "out of touch" or whatever else you want to call me...fine. Because the insults you hurl at me, you hurl at Notre Dame and the ideals upon which it is built.

Good for you for having ideals, but the one part you were most correct about, was that you're out of touch. Give us a break with the holier than thou stuff. Kids have been smoking weed on the team for as long back as I can remember. Acting like it's beyond our ideals is comical when it's been widely ignored for decades. Many of your favorite players that you would call a "Notre Dame Man" were habitual smokers. Kicking kids off the team for a little weed has never been the standard here at Notre Dame. Feel free to make up this gold standard of the university of you want, but it simply has never been the truth.

Wanna know what is part of the culture of Notre Dame? Catholic values like forgiveness and working towards the common good. How does ruining a young man's life for something half the professors do themselves living up to the standards of the church? Furthermore, we certainly do not turn on our own young men the first instance of accusation. I'm sure if you were in their shoes, you would want fair representation and the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty. It's easy for you to wag your finger at these young men from your ivory tower, but would you want that blind punishment for your own children?

I think it's fair to say that the university is hearing out the facts and will act accordingly with those findings. If you want to grab your pitchfork, then fine. But don't burn the village down under the flag of Notre Dame, as those aren't the values of the university I know.
 

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I'll wait to see what charges are filed and against whom.

Now University discipline is another matter.

So now we are just supposed to assume that any cop who is doing his duty is an idiot akin to Enos from Duke of Hazzard? Because that is clearly the point of that article, that the cop was going out of his way to be a dick and not actually, you know, doing his due diligence as an officer of the law.

I am not saying the kid was innocent or guilty, but it sure sounds as if the "author" has made up his mind that the kids were clearly not guilty of anything and the officer was totally wrong.

And since when do we take advice on how to discipline ND football players from any SEC school?
 

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I'm assuming most of us here have not ever been apart of college athletics. With that said, playing mid-major division 1 baseball with only 35 guys just as recently as 2 years ago puts this into perspective. Notre Dame has over 100 guys on the team including walk ons right? You can't possibly expect there to never to be any bad decisions made, academically or in their personal lives. 1. There's too many guys and someone at some point is going to mess up. 2. They're in college and dumb shit happens.

I definitely am not okay with what happened. There are high standards and those standards weren't met. Okay, so now what? You can either get them back on track and use it as a life changing learning experience or simply just kick them out. Like I said, coming from a team of 35 that we couldn't even keep everyone out of academic or personal trouble sometimes. It just happens and it's absolutely unrealistic to think 100+ guys will be perfect angels every single year.
 

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I cant see how the university can do anything against the guys. The only one who should be faulted for the weed is the owner of the car. How do you blame passengers for something the owner has in the trunk? That is like you picking someone up, getting pulled over a mile down the road and the passenger getting arrested because you had drugs buried in the trunk. Makes zero sense.

Speculation would have to point to Max as being the owner of the gun. BK wouldnt have kicked him off just for being a passenger. My guess is he confessed to the gun which (rightfully so) made BK say it was his last straw.

If that is the case and there is a clear cut line who it is, the rest is nothing. I promise you if ND starts putting out the idea that anything other than the ideal student is unacceptable at ND, then you better start getting used to 5-6 seasons. Unfortunately, along with high ratings comes entitled and kid gloves treated young men. We live in a country where weeds is legal in areas as well as a past president that admitted to smoking it in the past.

Best thing ND can do is let Max take the fall, work the others through community service and go on. Lets face it, any other school wouldnt do a damn thing. Bama didnt even put the two through community service who were drunk with the gun when the prosecutor didnt push the case. Case was closed to them. Be holier than thou and deal with having losing records. ND wants the big bucks from the program? Then step back and welcome to 2016.
 

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I cant see how the university can do anything against the guys. The only one who should be faulted for the weed is the owner of the car. How do you blame passengers for something the owner has in the trunk? That is like you picking someone up, getting pulled over a mile down the road and the passenger getting arrested because you had drugs buried in the trunk. Makes zero sense.

Speculation would have to point to Max as being the owner of the gun. BK wouldnt have kicked him off just for being a passenger. My guess is he confessed to the gun which (rightfully so) made BK say it was his last straw.

If that is the case and there is a clear cut line who it is, the rest is nothing. I promise you if ND starts putting out the idea that anything other than the ideal student is unacceptable at ND, then you better start getting used to 5-6 seasons. Unfortunately, along with high ratings comes entitled and kid gloves treated young men. We live in a country where weeds is legal in areas as well as a past president that admitted to smoking it in the past.

Best thing ND can do is let Max take the fall, work the others through community service and go on. Lets face it, any other school wouldnt do a damn thing. Bama didnt even put the two through community service who were drunk with the gun when the prosecutor didnt push the case. Case was closed to them. Be holier than thou and deal with having losing records. ND wants the big bucks from the program? Then step back and welcome to 2016.

Ashton White was the driver and owner of the car i thought?
 

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i didn't see anyone post this, apologize if it has....but WILTFONG stated that he expects the 4 to get a heavy dose of community service and believes that they play against Texas
 

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i didn't see anyone post this, apologize if it has....but WILTFONG stated that he expects the 4 to get a heavy dose of community service and believes that they play against Texas

I think it was Koon that posted this yesterday. Loy also tweeted that all 4 players were practicing yesterday
 
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