Five Players Arrested

[dwshade]

See I graduated HS in '98 and it really wasn't like that back then. Some people smoked, but it was more like 20% not 80%

2 of his friends that smoke daily, even before school are going to Vanderbilt to be doctors. Go figure

What area of Atlanta are you in King? I'm just north of the city and also a Steelers fan. As well as Braves and of course ND.

 

[Kingbish01]

What area of Atlanta are you in King? I'm just north of the city and also a Steelers fan. As well as Braves and of course ND.

Roswell...You? Also, if you know the area he said all the real drugs come out of Blessed Trinity. He blew my mind with that one.

 

[NorthDakota]

Graduated HS in 2015 in a situation that I would say almost perfectly represents the demographics of the country as a whole in Central VA, and I wouldn't be stretching the truth to say that I knew more kids who smoked weed or had tried it at least once compared to never having smoked, and this was a kid in mainly honors/AP classes

Graduated in 2010 from an area that represents America's heartland. 160 classmates. I'd guess that maybe 25-35% had tried it in high school on at least one occasion.

Would think it's different across regions and the pot perception has drastically changed the past decade.

 

[dwshade]

Roswell...You? Also, if you know the area he said all the real drugs come out of Blessed Trinity. He blew my mind with that one.

Live in Cumming. That is surprising about Blessed Trinity although in this day and age I guess nothing should surprise me. My close friend from HS lost his son to heroin at age 20. Was introduced to it in HS. Went to Northview which is either Duluth or Johns Creek.

 

[Kingbish01]

Live in Cumming. That is surprising about Blessed Trinity although in this day and age I guess nothing should surprise me. My close friend from HS lost his son to heroin at age 20. Was introduced to it in HS. Went to Northview which is either Duluth or Johns Creek.

Ya, that's in Johns Creek. I'll PM you, there is a great Steeler bar in Roswell called the Roswell Tap....We should link up sometime.

 

[Henges24]

So are the other 4 able to practice since the investigation is pending? I'm guessing no...?

 

[dwshade]

Ya, that's in Johns Creek. I'll PM you, there is a great Steeler bar in Roswell called the Roswell Tap....We should link up sometime.

Love my Steelers.

 

[phgreek]

I think because the generation of parents have changed. Not only do I have a son that is a senior, but I also have a daughter in kindergarten. So I am much closer in age (35-40) to my daughters friends parents rather than the parents of my sons friends (45-50) And this is the honest to God's truth, I meet more parents of my daughters friends that are casual smokers who don't see much wrong with it. And again, I'm not talking about a bunch of losers. I'm talking about educated people in 500k+ houses and driving Range Rovers. I guess my point is, my friends who smoked back in the late 90's would have been KILLED by their parents had they found out. Now, these kids don't have parents that will lose their minds. I also don't condone if my son smokes weed, but If i raise all my kids and the worst thing they ever do is smoke some weed....I've done a good job!

So outside of the gun, this was probably 5 good kids getting in trouble for some dumb shit. All probably big enough football stars in their hometown that they would have been let off with a warning back in high school. Again, MINUS THE GAT!!!

All makes sense...

 

[IrishFanForever23]

So are the other 4 able to practice since the investigation is pending? I'm guessing no...?

Yes, they can. Makes no sense to keep them with the team, but not allow them to practice. They'll be practicing, at least for the time being. If the university decides to change that, that's another story.

 

[ThePiombino]

Got rid of the exclamation points in the thread title because I kept reading it in a happy tone then got disappointed all over again.

lol

 

[philipm31]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. If these kids were dumb enough to drive around with pot and a loaded gun, they deserve to be arrested.

THIS.

 

[Legacy]

Indiana has some of the harshest penalties for marijuana possession in the U.S. Possession of less than thirty ounces of pot is a Class A misdemeanor, with sentences up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. A second possession offense in Indiana is a Class D felony punishable by between six months and three years in prison, a fine of up to $10,000 or both. Indiana does not recognize medical marijuana. During a recent overhaul of Indiana’s criminal sentencing, the state Senate’s Criminal Law Committee discussed increasing the felony and misdemeanor levels of marijuana possession charges. One proposed change was to change possession of one-third of an ounce to ten pounds of pot from the highest-level misdemeanor to the lowest-level felony.

Kentucky recently changed their laws so that misdemeanors like small amounts of pot possessions were issued citations like traffic tickets instead of being arrested. This impacted two of UK’s athletes who received citations only. At the University of Indiana, two basketball players without any prior history of discipline were dismissed from the program for possession of a small amount of pot. The criminal charges were later dismissed against them.

According to FBI statistics for the year 2012, over 9,000 individuals were arrested in Indiana for marijuana-related offenses, 86% of which were for possession. Of all the marijuana arrests, 90% have no prior convictions. Indiana’s violent and property crimes are down. Indiana's prison populations are rising to the extent that Indiana is building another prison.

Indiana law regarding operating a vehicle while intoxicated covers marijuana. Prosecutors don’t have to prove you are high, just that you have a trace of marijuana in your system. That trace of the drug can remain in your system a few days to several weeks after you’ve last smoked it. Any amount of marijuana (including metabolites) in the driver's blood or urine is adequate to prove the operating while intoxicated charge. The metabolite is the residue left as the drug breaks down. You can go on vacation to Colorado, for instance, smoke it legally, return to Indiana where you are not smoking it and yet, if you are involved in an accident or be speeding or other situations where some blood or urine samples are necessary, those metabolites from smoking it days or weeks ago can land you in jail for operating a vehicle while intoxicated. Indiana has even prosecuted individuals who do not have any marijuana in their possession but have packaging only. Should an officer see only packaging and you refuse a drug test, your license to drive can be suspended for a year.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Indiana has some of the harshest penalties for marijuana possession in the U.S. Possession of less than thirty ounces of pot is a Class A misdemeanor, with sentences up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. A second possession offense in Indiana is a Class D felony punishable by between six months and three years in prison, a fine of up to $10,000 or both. Indiana does not recognize medical marijuana. During a recent overhaul of Indiana’s criminal sentencing, the state Senate’s Criminal Law Committee discussed increasing the felony and misdemeanor levels of marijuana possession charges. One proposed change was to change possession of one-third of an ounce to ten pounds of pot from the highest-level misdemeanor to the lowest-level felony.

Kentucky recently changed their laws so that misdemeanors like small amounts of pot possessions were issued citations like traffic tickets instead of being arrested. This impacted two of UK’s athletes who received citations only. At the University of Indiana, two basketball players without any prior history of discipline were dismissed from the program for possession of a small amount of pot. The criminal charges were later dismissed against them.

According to FBI statistics for the year 2012, over 9,000 individuals were arrested in Indiana for marijuana-related offenses, 86% of which were for possession. Of all the marijuana arrests, 90% have no prior convictions. Indiana’s violent and property crimes are down. Indiana's prison populations are rising to the extent that Indiana is building another prison.

Indiana law regarding operating a vehicle while intoxicated covers marijuana. Prosecutors don’t have to prove you are high, just that you have a trace of marijuana in your system. That trace of the drug can remain in your system a few days to several weeks after you’ve last smoked it. Any amount of marijuana (including metabolites) in the driver's blood or urine is adequate to prove the operating while intoxicated charge. The metabolite is the residue left as the drug breaks down. You can go on vacation to Colorado, for instance, smoke it legally, return to Indiana where you are not smoking it and yet, if you are involved in an accident or be speeding or other situations where some blood or urine samples are necessary, those metabolites from smoking it days or weeks ago can land you in jail for operating a vehicle while intoxicated. Indiana has even prosecuted individuals who do not have any marijuana in their possession but have packaging only. Should an officer see only packaging and you refuse a drug test, your license to drive can be suspended for a year.

Seriously, mandatory minimums are so widely criticized and condemned, how are they still a thing? This is crap that should have been stomped out of existence decades ago.

 

[philipm31]

My concern is them being in the car with a loaded weapon. The marijuana possession would be relatively minor and could be excused much more easily if not for the loaded weapon. That is why I said what I did.

 

[Wingman Ray]

My concern is them being in the car with a loaded weapon. The marijuana possession would be relatively minor and could be excused much more easily if not for the loaded weapon. That is why I said what I did.

Too much speculation. So consider if Im driving to work and you are in the passenger seat. I have a loaded handgun under the seat....do you even know about it? Do you know if I have several ounces of cocaine in the trunk?

I mean there needs to be some common sense here. If the gun was sitting on someones lap, yeah you have something because everyone knew it was right there. If the drugs were out and everyone saw it, then you have something there. If not, it has to go on the owner of the car. I mean, did Williams know there was a gun in the way back? Was he smoking the weed? If not, how do you pin it on him?

 

[Crazy Balki]

My concern is them being in the car with a loaded weapon. The marijuana possession would be relatively minor and could be excused much more easily if not for the loaded weapon. That is why I said what I did.

I get that thought process, but I'm skeptical that all the other players were aware that that certain individual had the weapon with him prior to departure. That or they probably had no knowledge the the gun was unregistered. The 24 year old me would probably figure that out quickly, but I'm not so sure the 19 year old me would have pieced that together.

If the 4 are not involved with the weapon charge, then I see no reason to increase the punishment for something they had little control over.

 

[rocket66]

Cam McDaniel urges ND fans to show restraint

I respect the hell out of Cam and it was a good read.

Eh, I get it and Cam's a great guy, but he was also the victim of crazy fans in his time at ND so he's a little sensitive on the issue. Many were going crazy when he was stealing carries from much more talented backs over and over again. I get annoyed with the "leave the 18-21 year olds alone". It's the fans, forums, and crazies that give those guys the platform at a place like ND to be anything they want to be. You can't have it both ways.


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[Wingman Ray]

What gets me is the whole policing situation around SB. For a rathole town that exists only because of the college, it seems the police seem to cash in on arresting ND players pretty frequently. When is the last time you saw a Stanford player in trouble? Now are Stanford players better people or do the area law enforcement just go easier on them? Im guessing no one at OSU ever does weed or drive intoxicated right? No handguns at USC, no sir. All those players are angel clean.

 

[NDgradstudent]

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Nick Saban got rid of a guard...because Alabama is deep at guard. BK got rid of our starting safety...because ND is deep at safety? Or something? I know Cowherd has been fawning over USC a bit since moving his show to L.A., which is fine -we all have to put food on the table- but this is not even an attempt at a serious argument.

I like Whitlock but I don't think anybody was thinking about Chicago's murder rate here in SB. It's not that close to Chicago.

 

[arrowryan]

What gets me is the whole policing situation around SB. For a rathole town that exists only because of the college, it seems the police seem to cash in on arresting ND players pretty frequently. When is the last time you saw a Stanford player in trouble? Now are Stanford players better people or do the area law enforcement just go easier on them? Im guessing no one at OSU ever does weed or drive intoxicated right? No handguns at USC, no sir. All those players are angel clean.

Before last weekend, when was the last time a Notre Dame football player was arrested in South Bend? Michael Floyd in 2011? So its been 5 years. So no, South Bend police don't have a hard on for arresting Notre Dame players. South Bend didn't arrest the 5 players because that was way outside their jurisdiction; a Fulton County cop that arrested them.

So before this weekend, Notre Dame and Stanford had gone about the same amount of time without having players get in trouble with the law. Shayne Skov got arrested for a DUI in 2012.

Stanford Football Star Arrested « CBS Los Angeles

 

[dublinirish]

Before last weekend, when was the last time a Notre Dame football player was arrested in South Bend? Michael Floyd in 2011? So its been 5 years. So no, South Bend police don't have a hard on for arresting Notre Dame players. South Bend didn't arrest the 5 players because that was way outside their jurisdiction; a Fulton County cop that arrested them.

So before this weekend, Notre Dame and Stanford had gone about the same amount of time without having players get in trouble with the law. Shayne Skov got arrested for a DUI in 2012.

Stanford Football Star Arrested « CBS Los Angeles

Carlo and Tommy Rees in 2012

 

[Wingman Ray]

Time wise I may be off but we had the Turnover Tommy thing. The LB who didnt play much who threatened something about 'His people" (cant recall his name). Floyd then this. Am I missing any other instances?

 

[connor_in]

Before last weekend, when was the last time a Notre Dame football player was arrested in South Bend? Michael Floyd in 2011? So its been 5 years. So no, South Bend police don't have a hard on for arresting Notre Dame players. South Bend didn't arrest the 5 players because that was way outside their jurisdiction; a Fulton County cop that arrested them.

So before this weekend, Notre Dame and Stanford had gone about the same amount of time without having players get in trouble with the law. Shayne Skov got arrested for a DUI in 2012.

Stanford Football Star Arrested « CBS Los Angeles

Not dismissing your premise, but didn't Tommy Rees get arrested?

 

[arrowryan]

Carlo and Tommy Rees in 2012

Not dismissing your premise, but didn't Tommy Rees get arrested?

Ahh yeah, my bad. But that doesn't change my original post as that was still 4 years ago. I could see how someone could think South Bend police has a thing for arresting football players if there was a yearly occurrence of a player getting arrested for some petty shit like underage drinking. Theres been a good 4 years in-between arrests and all arrests were very deserving.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Will Mahone as well.

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[dublinirish]

Will Mahone as well.

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was arrested in Youngstown, OH.

 

[zelezo vlk]

was arrested in Youngstown, OH.

Ah. I thought this was just in general. My mistake.

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[arrowryan]

Time wise I may be off but we had the Turnover Tommy thing. The LB who didnt play much who threatened something about 'His people" (cant recall his name). Floyd then this. Am I missing any other instances?

Carlo Calabrese.

I also wouldn't compare Notre Dame arrests to Stanford arrests because even though they are similar academically, Notre Dame has started to recruits different players than Stanford. Yes, ND gets their fair share of "RKGs" and great academic kids, but they also get people like Tevon Coney who probably wouldn't stand a chance against Stanford admissions.

 

[NDdomer2]

Arrested ND players had to be held 'accountable' for their personal conduct, says Notre Dame Fighting Irish's Brian Kelly

"Well first of all, you remind them about why they're here," Kelly said on the radio show. "And certainly accountability is the most important thing. And I've always felt, I'm a parent, too. And as good parents always do, there's always education in the process. You want to make sure that you're going through everything with them and making sure that they understand what the priorities are: academics, athletics.

"You want them to enjoy their time here, but they've got to make good decisions. And then if they don't, hold them accountable for it, and we certainly have done that."

 

[irishfan]

It was a while ago, but it's somewhat absurd that a Montana got arrested in South Bend at a house party for underage drinking.