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I have to say I am most impressed with Yedlin's progression tonight. He gave Peru headaches down that sideline all game long and it wasn't just with his speed, though he definitely blew by a few guys. He was very creative with his footwork and turned around the Peru defense a couple of times.

Surely I am not the only one also super impressed with Tim Ream, am I? He doesn't necessarily play the type of LB that Klinsy wants but it may be the type of LB Klinsy needs at this time.
 
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I have to say I am most impressed with Yedlin's progression tonight. He gave Peru headaches down that sideline all game long and it wasn't just with his speed, though he definitely blew by a few guys. He was very creative with his footwork and turned around the Peru defense a couple of times.

Surely I am not the only one also super impressed with Tim Ream, am I? He doesn't necessarily play the type of LB that Klinsy wants but it may be the type of LB Klinsy needs at this time.

I was skeptical of him at LB but he appears settled tonight.
 

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Good win over a team that has been on fire. I am excited to see what Genius Klinsmann does with Bradley in the lineup. Bedoya was an absolute bust tonight in the middle.
 

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Dead. To. Me.


Seriously tho who is supposed to replace him in your mind?? Ventura? LOL

Besler and Brooks. Omar just not getting it done IMO. Sorry A Camp. ;)

This is the answer. Besler was tight back there tonight - he and Brooks together would be very good.


I loved the energy of the second half tonight - their on the ball pressure was the difference. As much as I am not a fan of Mix, he put great pressure on the Peruvians and forced a number of turnovers that gave us scoring opportunities.

That was a fun second half.

EDIT: Geoff Cameron played well too. I was pleasantly surprised with his energy tonight.
 
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Bunch of slack jawed, non soccer knowing, faggots on this board....
 

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Bedoya is playing CDM and is getting exposed. For a second straight match. He doesn't belong at the moment and idk if that is fitness or what. But he is not getting the job done.
 

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Fathom it hard to believe that Yedlin couldn't crack the lineup at Tottenham. He is making smart runs, delivering great crosses, and giving that Brazil backline headaches with his pace. IMO, he looks the best of any player so far on the US side. Despite the scoreline, have not looked awful.
 

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That looks like real grass. Did they roll out an entire pitch of sod on top of the Gillette field turf? That seems extensive with a Patriots game in two days.
 
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They look like shit. No way we beat Mexico with this team playing like this.
 

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Bedoya is playing CDM and is getting exposed. For a second straight match. He doesn't belong at the moment and idk if that is fitness or what. But he is not getting the job done.

Bedoya is not a cdm that's why. Bradley is also not a cam. Klinnsman drives me insane with this crap. Just like how he played mix at cdm in the gold cup
 

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Bedoya is not a cdm that's why. Bradley is also not a cam. Klinnsman drives me insane with this crap. Just like how he played mix at cdm in the gold cup

I know Bedoya is not a CDM but his position is filled by Yedlin and Zardes. Klins tried playing him last game as a CAM and that failed too.

Bradley has been playing CAM for club so its not like that is all Klinsmann being an idiot.

And come on. Mexico just tied Trinidad and Tobago. We are playing Brazil and just beat Peru. Give me a break with this crap that because we are playing poorly against Brazil we don't stand a chance against Mexico.
 
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I am interested to see how many giveaways we have so far. Eleventy billion?
 

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Klin will play a bunch of players out of position in October, lose, get fired and then whoever they get to step in will prob play a correct roster with everyone in their ideal position and it will work... but it'll be too late. I've been pretty damn depressed and hopeless in regards to the USMNT since the Gold Cup...
 

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From the highs of beating the Netherlands and Germany, to the Gold Cup and this. I'm uninspired.
 

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What's everyone's guess as to the odds of Klin getting booted if the US lose in the Rose Bowl??
 

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What's everyone's guess as to the odds of Klin getting booted if the US lose in the Rose Bowl??

How long did it take Sunil to get rid of Bradley? I'm not filled with confidence. I'm not convinced he can get anyone better unfortunately. Klins has fallen hard, and he's not given me confidence, but who are we going to get? I feel like Sunil shares this thought, and he's pretty conservative by nature.
 
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What's everyone's guess as to the odds of Klin getting booted if the US lose in the Rose Bowl??

Low. I think he gets another WC cycle. There really are not other better options out there right now. An american coach is not going to get us. Jugen brought in VOgt and Vogt is an awesome scout, technical advisor etc and is doing some good things with the lower teams and we won't get that from an American coach. We needed a foreign guy to come in and fix our shit. Jurgen made some real progress this last cycle. He did not make one real big error in the WC. He got it all right. I know everyone want sot blame him for bringing Wondo but even in the Belgium game, Wondo was there... in front of goal, doing what he was supposed to do, doing what he was intended to do, and missed it... That is not on Jurgen. He got that right.

I honestly don't know what he is playing at with the lineups recently but, its not working.
 

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Low. I think he gets another WC cycle. There really are not other better options out there right now. An american coach is not going to get us. Jugen brought in VOgt and Vogt is an awesome scout, technical advisor etc and is doing some good things with the lower teams and we won't get that from an American coach. We needed a foreign guy to come in and fix our shit. Jurgen made some real progress this last cycle. He did not make one real big error in the WC. He got it all right. I know everyone want sot blame him for bringing Wondo but even in the Belgium game, Wondo was there... in front of goal, doing what he was supposed to do, doing what he was intended to do, and missed it... That is not on Jurgen. He got that right.

I honestly don't know what he is playing at with the lineups recently but, its not working.

Right, what he's doing now I can't necessarily defend, but I think you have to be pretty pleased with the World Cup squad. We were damned close to beating Belgium, which is, what, a top 5 team in the world? (Sure, we needed Tim Howard to break a record to do it, but still ...)

And I agree, I don't think you can fault him for putting in Wondo. Wondo is on the field because he is one of those strikers who just has an uncanny knack for being in the right place at the right time. Wondo proved it in the Belgium game; he just took a bad touch. It can happen to anyone.
 

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Low. I think he gets another WC cycle. There really are not other better options out there right now. An american coach is not going to get us. Jugen brought in VOgt and Vogt is an awesome scout, technical advisor etc and is doing some good things with the lower teams and we won't get that from an American coach. We needed a foreign guy to come in and fix our shit. Jurgen made some real progress this last cycle. He did not make one real big error in the WC. He got it all right. I know everyone want sot blame him for bringing Wondo but even in the Belgium game, Wondo was there... in front of goal, doing what he was supposed to do, doing what he was intended to do, and missed it... That is not on Jurgen. He got that right.

I honestly don't know what he is playing at with the lineups recently but, its not working.

No, you don't put a guy that has NEVER shined against a non-weak-ass-CONCACAF opponent onto the biggest stage, where he predictably choked. Landon Donovan was in the EXACT same position in a WC game, dying moments, EVERYTHING on the line...and he friggin' slotted it home (after setting up the play beautifully to begin with) for perhaps the greatest moment in US soccer history.

So I disagree...Jurgen got that completely wrong. He had the wrong guy there. And Wondo proved it.

He also puts way too high a price on conditioning, and not only did he completely mismanage the Donovan situation bc Donovan couldn't train every day at Jurgen's insane pace (most coaches know how to deal with older players, like Pop has done so masterfully with Duncan), but he burned out other players with his marathon practices as well. I personally think (and I've read reporters close to the program who agree) that Jozy's hamstring injury was a direct result of Jurgen's brutal practices. Add to that he had absolutely no back-up plan for when suddenly Jozy went out (we had to move Clint up top alone, and Landon would have been perfect to tuck in behind Clint. Instead we had Bradley trying to be the ultimate playmaker and he just wasn't ready).

I do think Jurgen has gotten a lot right, but he definitely made some major mistakes in the WC (props for getting out of the group of course), and the Gold Cup was a disaster, and last night was an absolute abomination. This Mexico game is HUGE for him imho.
 

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I guess I am glad I had soccer practice last night - I think I was fortunate to miss the game.

Oct 10th is big. I sure hope the lineup is better than what it was last night.
 
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No, you don't put a guy that has NEVER shined against a non-weak-ass-CONCACAF opponent onto the biggest stage, where he predictably choked. Landon Donovan was in the EXACT same position in a WC game, dying moments, EVERYTHING on the line...and he friggin' slotted it home (after setting up the play beautifully to begin with) for perhaps the greatest moment in US soccer history.

So I disagree...Jurgen got that completely wrong. He had the wrong guy there. And Wondo proved it.

He also puts way too high a price on conditioning, and not only did he completely mismanage the Donovan situation bc Donovan couldn't train every day at Jurgen's insane pace (most coaches know how to deal with older players, like Pop has done so masterfully with Duncan), but he burned out other players with his marathon practices as well. I personally think (and I've read reporters close to the program who agree) that Jozy's hamstring injury was a direct result of Jurgen's brutal practices. Add to that he had absolutely no back-up plan for when suddenly Jozy went out (we had to move Clint up top alone, and Landon would have been perfect to tuck in behind Clint. Instead we had Bradley trying to be the ultimate playmaker and he just wasn't ready).

I do think Jurgen has gotten a lot right, but he definitely made some major mistakes in the WC (props for getting out of the group of course), and the Gold Cup was a disaster, and last night was an absolute abomination. This Mexico game is HUGE for him imho.
I just disagree with the Donovan statement. He was hurt, old, and not at all in the condition or playing like he was in South Africa. He did some goo dthings but I did not see a WC quality player in him at the time of selection. I had zero reservations when he dropped him from the Brazil Squad.

As to Jurgens practice habits, IDK what he does or what he demands. But outside of Jozy, no one was injured and we looked the most fit of each team we played and also had the longest travel of any team in the tournament. Not buying the flaw is his brutal practices causing injuries. Jozy has had problems with his hamstring before IIRC.

And as to Wondo, the specific reason he was there was he always seems to be in the right position at the right time. That is who he is. His career has been as a poacher in front of goal. That is why he was picked. Jurgen brought people with specific talents to have a well rounded roster. We did not need Donovan. We had everything we needed in other players (Leadership and experience included) and at some point we have to move on as team.

As to a back up plan for Jozy, we had plenty of strikers. That issue was way over sold IMO. Jozy was playing great prior to his injury but its not like we did not have options. How many players go into a tournament on fire like Jozy was? Not many. You just don't replace that. Its a loss no matter how you slice it. Its a big deal becasue its not easily replaceable. You can't blame Jurgen for not having another guy on the bench and on fire.

I watched every minute of every game and I just don't see how we would have had a better team at the WC.
 

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I just disagree with the Donovan statement. He was hurt, old, and not at all in the condition or playing like he was in South Africa. He did some goo dthings but I did not see a WC quality player in him at the time of selection. I had zero reservations when he dropped him from the Brazil Squad.

As to Jurgens practice habits, IDK what he does or what he demands. But outside of Jozy, no one was injured and we looked the most fit of each team we played and also had the longest travel of any team in the tournament. Not buying the flaw is his brutal practices causing injuries. Jozy has had problems with his hamstring before IIRC.

And as to Wondo, the specific reason he was there was he always seems to be in the right position at the right time. That is who he is. His career has been as a poacher in front of goal. That is why he was picked. Jurgen brought people with specific talents to have a well rounded roster. We did not need Donovan. We had everything we needed in other players (Leadership and experience included) and at some point we have to move on as team.

As to a back up plan for Jozy, we had plenty of strikers. That issue was way over sold IMO. Jozy was playing great prior to his injury but its not like we did not have options. How many players go into a tournament on fire like Jozy was? Not many. You just don't replace that. Its a loss no matter how you slice it. Its a big deal becasue its not easily replaceable. You can't blame Jurgen for not having another guy on the bench and on fire.

I watched every minute of every game and I just don't see how we would have had a better team at the WC.

1. Wondo is a club player, nothing more. When you bring a club player to an international game, that is what happens. It wasn’t surprising in the least…matter of fact I was saying that here long before the WC had even started. Meanwhile, Donovan was definitely not injured and unfit; just look at what he did for the Galaxy the rest of the summer, leading them to a title and playing extremely well. He just wasn’t “Jurgen fit”, which was ridiculous bc Jurgen didn’t know how to handle an older player the way other coaches do. Instead, he left one of the best players off the roster in lieu of a club player who clearly wasn’t good enough to be on the big stage. That was a massive mistake by Jurgen, and it showed in the Belgium game (and throughout the tournament, esp when Jozy went down).

2. I absolutely think that Jurgen’s over-the-top intense practices hurt our team, and the numbers bear that out. How many times do we have to give up late goals for Jurgen fans to get this? For a team that is supposedly so fit, we give up a TON of late goals, and it’s not a stretch to say that it’s bc the players are burnt out. There was a stretch of time that from the start of the World Cup, 14 of the last 17 goals the U.S. had given up have come in the second half. Nine came after the 80th minute. That’s insane!
And this has dogged him since he coached Germany and Bayern. Look at what Philip Lahm had to say:

“We practically only practiced fitness under Klinsmann,” Lahm said, according to excerpts published in German newspaper Bild and translated into English by several outlets. “There was very little technical instruction and the players had to get together independently before the game to discuss how we wanted to play.”

Jurgen took a team, ‘Merica, already known for its fitness, and tried to make them even more fit? Great, Wondo can run forever, Donovan needs to save his legs to perform better…let’s go with Wondo because he can run for longer distances, which will be great when we put him in for 8 minutes at the end of the game. Makes perfect sense.

3. As for the WC, tactically, again, he screwed that up. He has been known forever to be AWFUL tactically. The current coach of Germany was Jurgen’s tactician when Jurgen was in Germany, and without him, he has been lost. Yeah, we had strikers, but there are different types of strikers that fit better in certain systems. How are you going to go to the WC and be set on one formation (lone striker, 5 mids) and only go with ONE forward that can play that role effectively??? When Jozy went out, instead of changing tactics and pairing Johansen (sp) with Clint or something like that (or be able to put Landon in the game w/ Clint fml), he put Clint up top by himself, which is not even close to his best position, and stuck with forcing Bradley to be his #10, which he failed at miserably. The striker thing was not overblown…it was a real issue and had us playing at a disadvantage than what we should have. If you insist on playing a certain formation, then you better have some back-up plans. We essentially wasted the forward spot.

Anyway, love you Cack, but we will never agree on this. There were a lot of mistakes made in that WC run, as fun as it was.

(And don’t even get me started on the Brazil tactics 2 nights ago…Putting Bedroya, probably our most effective wide midfielder, at defensive mid for the first time in his life???? WTF?)
 
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