Denbrock to OC

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Shoot me if we hire Borges for OC. QB coach I could live with, but OC? High powered rifle.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Is there another source, besides this board, that has Borges as the 3rd person?

 

[Ironman8]

Is there another source, besides this board, that has Borges as the 3rd person?

This board got it from 24/7's report.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Harris said his best relationship was with Borges and I remember one of the WR commits was upset he was leaving. Still though, I would want to be shot.

 

[DillonHall]

Says who? You? Perhaps they feel differently, which is the ONLY thing that would matter should they feel alienated.

They can feel alienated all they want. But they need to be professional and come to work with the same enthusiasm and investment in the program.

You're saying someone is entitled to something just because of longevity? RIDICULOUS

BTW, what if Denbrock gets the job? You don't think Alford might not be a bit upset by that?

 

[Irish Insanity]

This board got it from 24/7's report.

Musta missed that part. I read the last 3 pages, saw 2 names of 3 listed. Saw that the 3rd was said to be a big name. And then a poster said thats who it was and we went from there.

 

[Crazy Balki]

living in Buffalo, Quinn has a no pressure job. He hasn't had great success but good enough for UB, were more of A basketball school anyways. That being said, seasons like this last one are too rare to help push his career fwd. I always believed he wanted the experience of HC on the resume and then take steps up the prestigious ladder. Successful coordinator, successful HC without Kelly, back to successful coordinator at a major university, will open more doors than 2-3 more years at UB

If he's truly interviewing, Its a strong indication Quinn is coming. UB is a dead end job, I don't see how they will attract the talent necessary to make significant progress. Most of the quality talent in Wny goes elsewhere

Normally, that isn't the case. But after what happened with Turner Gill at Kansas, I'm willing to bet that many schools are willing to risk their future on another UB coach and Gill had a MAC Championship under his belt. Not to mention there aren't many openings for a major college program now, nor do I see many in the distant future.

In my opinion, Quinn would make more sense than Borges, for both parties. Why would Borges leave Michigan for ND, which is a lateral move and they don't run and won't run the west coast. Meanwhile, Quinn isn't going to get any more enticing offers as the UB coach, than he is as the ND OC. My only issue is that with Quinn, I highly doubt that he'll be around that long. I'm thinking 2-3 years max.

 

[Ironman8]

Loy is hearing BK could decide on the OC tomorrow, and that BVG could be announced tomorrow officially as well.

 

[Ironman8]

Beginning to think Denbrock is really just going to be the OC and then there will be interviews for QB coach.

 

[IrishLax]

Al Borges is a horrible coach. If he gets the job over Denbrock I will flip out. Of course he *could* succeed but there is absolutely no reason to hire him. None.

 

[AvesEvo]

No way with Borges. Michigan had two consecutive games this past year in which they had negative rushing yards. I haven't seen a Michigan fan that is anything but happy that Borges is gone.

 

[PANDFAN]

But why risk alienating the existing ND offensive staff by hiring an outsider over a guy who isn't going to run his own offense? Quinn can be justified due to his extensive history with BK. But other than that, I can't see anything other than promotion from within. And I can't imagine Broges coming in as QB coach only.

i was just stating IF it was for OC--not advocating , BK is still going to do w/ he wants w/ the play calling...

What makes you say he can recruit? All Michigan fans I know say he was disinterested as a recruiter, at best. Rarely went out on the road, if ever, and wasn't key during on campus visits either.

upon further review you are correct in him not being out on the road...everything i read was that he was very good at establishing relationships w/ the kids..probably like diaco..i know most here are down on shane morris, but he said himself that borgis was a vital piece along w/ their new qb in why they chose um..Borges was not a part of the coaching staff that recruited quarterback Devin Gardner to Michigan, but he did play vital roles in the recruitment of freshman Shane Morris and early enrollee Wilton Speight.

 

[Luckylucci]

Beginning to think Denbrock is really just going to be the OC and then there will be interviews for QB coach.

I think Quinn is the #1 choice at OC but that's going to be tough to get but I bet BK has at least tried. Denbrock gets OC and the interview for Borges and Patterson is for QB coach.

 

[IRISHbluehen]

Loy is hearing BK could decide on the OC tomorrow, and that BVG could be announced tomorrow officially as well.

If this is true then my guess is either Quinn accepts the job or BK gives it to Denbrock. Other two guys will be interviewed for QB coach if Denbrock is the guy. Can't imagine he would have a decision timeline of tomorrow if he was seriously interviewing Borges for the OC job tomorrow.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[GBdomer]

Per Loy he thinks BVG will be introduced tomorrow as long as the OC. He thinks Denbrock holds the edge, I think it will be Quinn. I just can't see it being Patterson or Borges. But why would Quinn go from a head coach to a OC? Gonna be interesting tomorrow.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Not opposed to Borges huh? So hire a OC that just got FIRED from your rival plus you turn down the Bama OC? C'mon man.

Oh, i didnt know Michigan and Notre Dame were the same job?

I think that Notre Dame and Michigan are in totally different positions with their programs. I think ND is trending up, and Michigan is coming up on a year of decision making for their program. ND fans worry about BK leaving for the NFL, while Michigan fans debate why or why not to keep Hoke. Totally different.

You said it yourself, "BK turned down Bamas OC". He must not have been the right fit for ND. And to be honest, Nussmeier has won a title, but also a lot of OCs would have won the National Title in 2012. He had to manage the offense and thats exactly what he did. This year, Bama needed someone to win them games on Offense, and he didnt get the job done.

Just remember...a lot of people didnt want Heistand. How did that turn out? It was the right fit.

Trust me I have wanted Quinn forever at ND. Heck, i even asked IrishLAX to look into writing an article back in Sept about Quinn being the missing piece to Kellys offense. Im just stating that the final 3 options are the final 3 options for a reason. Kellys done his homework.

 

[Emcee77]

Replacing Chuck Martin?

Replacing Chuck Martin?

Of course I want Quinn to get the job if he really wants it, but I'm surprised that he would even want it. Seems like a step back. On the other hand, maybe he thinks that OC at ND + head coaching experience is a better candidate for a top head coaching job a few yeas down the road than OC at Cincy + head coaching experience.

 

[Luckylucci]

Of course I want Quinn to get the job if he really wants it, but I'm surprised that he would even want it. Seems like a step back. On the other hand, maybe he thinks that OC at ND + head coaching experience is a better candidate for a top head coaching job a few yeas down the road than OC at Cincy + head coaching experience.

Along this line of thinking. I would think that becoming OC at ND with Golson coming back and the opportunity to have a very good offense at a high level. Let's say 10-2 for the next two years with a dynamic offense probably gets more pub than 9 win seasons at Buffalo.

 

[rocket66]

Along this line of thinking. I would think that becoming OC at ND with Golson coming back and the opportunity to have a very good offense at a high level. Let's say 10-2 for the next two years with a dynamic offense probably gets more pub than 9 win seasons at Buffalo.

Right. Success as an OC at ND will be a better springboard than average seasons at Buffalo, IMO. He could potentially be stuck there forever with no out in sight.

 

[Ironman8]

Of course I want Quinn to get the job if he really wants it, but I'm surprised that he would even want it. Seems like a step back. On the other hand, maybe he thinks that OC at ND + head coaching experience is a better candidate for a top head coaching job a few yeas down the road than OC at Cincy + head coaching experience.

Very good point. Reps.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

Maybe BK is trying to set ND up with a potential HC in Quinn if he (BK) decides to bolt to the NFL in a year or two........

 

[MNIrishman]

Maybe BK is trying to set ND up with a potential HC in Quinn if he (BK) decides to bolt to the NFL in a year or two........

Stirring the pot....

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Maybe BK is trying to set ND up with a potential HC in Quinn if he (BK) decides to bolt to the NFL in a year or two........

Get out.

Now.

Leave.

 

[Ironman8]

Maybe BK is trying to set ND up with a potential HC in Quinn if he (BK) decides to bolt to the NFL in a year or two........

That point was brought up on II. Same pitch could have been used to get BVG...

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

touchy subject I see, I just truly believe BK will leave for the NFL one of these years, not sure when but I think all the success of Harbaugh, Petey and now Chip will make him want to give it a shot.

Would personally love Quinn to be the OC but I can't imagine him taking a step back, although I didn't think Franklin would take State Penn.........so what do I know.

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[Ironman8]

I don't think BK would leave until at least 2015 though, personally.

 

[mgriff]

Yes to Quinn. Please.

If BK goes he goes, there is nothing we can do about it other than get another up and coming coach.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think BK would leave until at least 2015 though, personally.

We've all discussed this at length, but before he signed his extension I thought he could be gone sooner rather than later. After he signed it, all sources and information indicated strongly that he was committed to ND for the immediate future. I think the NFL is an itch he will eventually want to scratch, and we should cross that bridge when we come to it. I really, really doubt it has anything at all to do with coordinator hires and I think some people try very hard to link everything to Kelly => NFL.

I could see Quinn coming to ND if we're willing to pay substantially more than Buffalo. Simple fact is when Quinn originally went to Buffalo, Notre Dame was not positioned to pay him a top tier OC salary. Now our pay is much more competitive. I don't think Quinn ever intended to be at Buffalo long term, he just badly wanted to be a HC and get that experience. Now he's done it for 4 years and he's probably looking to move up. Notre Dame can potentially offer both more pay AND a better stepping stone to a middle-tier job like a UCONN, Pitt, etc. than Buffalo. So I don't really think this is a big longshot, and I realllllly doubt he would go through the process of interviewing if he wasn't legitimately interested and considering it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Of course I want Quinn to get the job if he really wants it, but I'm surprised that he would even want it. Seems like a step back. On the other hand, maybe he thinks that OC at ND + head coaching experience is a better candidate for a top head coaching job a few yeas down the road than OC at Cincy + head coaching experience.

Martin got a HC position with the MAC. I think with Buffalo HC plus ND OC, he can easily pick up BCS conference offer for HC with 2 years of above average performance at ND.