Democratic Primary Thread (Updated Poll #2)

[NorthDakota]

Also, Boot Edge Edge has a weird ax to grind with Christianity. What makes it particularly creepy is he brings up his weird take on Christianity. Makes Mormons seem normal lmao

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beating Trump in New Hampshire in the head-to-head &#55357;&#56832;&#55357;&#56397;&#55357;&#56490; <a href="https://t.co/7YkvQho0Iy">pic.twitter.com/7YkvQho0Iy</a></p>— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1171523083271725057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Once again why it is so incredibly dangerous for the Dems to nominate someone like Warren.

 

[NorthDakota]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beating Trump in New Hampshire in the head-to-head ������ <a href="https://t.co/7YkvQho0Iy">pic.twitter.com/7YkvQho0Iy</a></p>— Andrew Yang (@AndrewYang) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1171523083271725057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Once again why it is so incredibly dangerous for the Dems to nominate someone like Warren.

Shes my dream matchup. A lady who hangs her hat on getting elected in a dark blue state in a presidential year.

She's about as relatable as a potato.

The funny thing is she is who the media have chosen. For hating Donald...they sure dont seem too interested in beating him lmao

 

[BGIF]

Not a good look for Bernie getting irritated at a crying baby.


https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/04/crying-baby-bernie-sanders-moos-pkg-vpx.cnn

Bernie was screening prospects for his poster child for his Malthus Meets Sanger Solution for Terminal Climate Change.

 

[IrishLax]

Shes my dream matchup. A lady who hangs her hat on getting elected in a dark blue state in a presidential year.

She's about as relatable as a potato.

The funny thing is she is who the media have chosen. For hating Donald...they sure dont seem too interested in beating him lmao

Yup. She has already been crowned by the fawning media. They are literal cheerleaders that refuse to criticize her for anything. It is reaching the point of propaganda.

All you need to know about how "pushed" Elizabeth Warren is... and how there is so much going on behind the scenes to get her to the finish line... is that overseas betting markets have her past Biden as the betting favorite among Democrats. She is third in the polls behind Bernie Sanders and Biden, but her betting futures wildly outpace her polling. She is getting double the odds of Bernie.

Big debate tonight. Everyone is going to come after Biden hard.

 

[wizards8507]

If Warren were still the person who wrote "The Two Income Trap," I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. But she isn't.

 

[drayer54]

I still think free shit and energy gets Elizabeth Warren the majority of Dem support in the primary. I like Trumps chances vs Warren and I do think Trump will look good next to frequent gaffe and low energy Joe.

The caveat is the Democrats rigged superdelegate system. I have to think the establishment wants Joe. I personally want a Pocahontas themed campaign.

 

[IrishLax]

If Warren were still the person who wrote "The Two Income Trap," I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. But she isn't.

Exactly, because she is a total fraud of a human being.

 

[loomis41973]

Lets play a drinking game.

Every time they mention some "free" shit they are going to give us poor voters...take a sip.

 

[NorthDakota]

Biden is out here shooting people on 5th Ave.

This is funny af

 

[wizards8507]

I like my health insurance.

 

[NorthDakota]

I like my health insurance.

Better let Bernie know.

 

[NorthDakota]

Okay, so I see that Dems are v big on giving back the right to vote to felons. Does this mean we also endorse giving them back the right to defend themselves via gun ownership?

From a natural rights perspective, the right to defend oneself is infinitely more valuable than the right to vote.

 

[wizards8507]

I'd love to see ammo sales figures in the days following these debates.

 

[NorthDakota]

These loons are all insane when it comes to guns lmao

 

[loomis41973]

You didn' need to add, when it comes to the guns.

 

[BGIF]

I still think free shit and energy gets Elizabeth Warren the majority of Dem support in the primary. I like Trumps chances vs Warren and I do think Trump will look good next to frequent gaffe and low energy Joe.

The caveat is the Democrats rigged superdelegate system. I have to think the establishment wants Joe. I personally want a Pocahontas themed campaign.

The Native American community is opposed to a "Pocahontas" ethnic appropriation themed campaign.

I understand they prefer, "White Woman That Speaks With Forked Tongue".

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm curious about the idea regarding "we need to pay teachers more."

If. They. Are. Worth. More. They. Will. Get. It.

These people are idiots.

 

[loomis41973]

If one of these clowns are elected think i'm going to become a bum and go back for another degree.

 

[IrishLax]

That debate was an absolute shit show. It basically went as scripted and nothing new was covered from the first two debates. There are still -- I shit you not -- nine more debates. Apparently this is normal? But i just totally do not see the point.

More than anyone, Booker needs to get some traction. The problem with people like him and Pete is that they are stuck in a weird middle ground between Biden and the Communists.

 

[NorthDakota]

That debate was an absolute shit show. It basically went as scripted and nothing new was covered from the first two debates. There are still -- I shit you not -- nine more debates. Apparently this is normal? But i just totally do not see the point.

More than anyone, Booker needs to get some traction. The problem with people like him and Pete is that they are stuck in a weird middle ground between Biden and the Communists.

Klobuchar and Biden are acceptable minus their gun views. Other than the guns, I just disagree strongly with them. Yang is a genuine guy too.

Mayor Pete is a clown and a fraud in every way, shape, and form. Dude has some issues that make me uncomfortable.

Spartacus is a douche of the highest order as well.

Be better Lax! I know you have it in you. 12 debates on total is far too many though I agree. Idk what the standard number is for primaries but this is nonsensical.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm curious about the idea regarding "we need to pay teachers more."

If. They. Are. Worth. More. They. Will. Get. It.

These people are idiots.

How are they going to get paid more if they're worth it if school districts are out of money?

 

[ulukinatme]

Lets play a drinking game.

Every time they mention some "free" shit they are going to give us poor voters...take a sip.

You want a real drinking game, should do a shot anytime someone name drops Barrack Obama going forward. Everybody wants to be an Obama clone because they see that as the path to winning the Dem nomination. "I'm continuing the work that Barrack Obama did," "My plan is the same one that Obama tried to implement his first year in office," etc, etc

 

[BGIF]

SEPTEMBER 13, 2019 / 12:46 AM / UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO
Biden maintains grip on 2020 Democratic race after third debate
James Oliphant

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Those expecting Joe Biden’s presidential candidacy to flame out any day now will have to keep waiting.

The former U.S. vice president survived another Democratic debate on Thursday largely unbloodied and unbowed, leaving those on the margins of the race for the party’s 2020 nomination wondering if their time to gain ground on the front-runner is running out.

If anything, the third Democratic debate in Houston was notable for how few of the nine other candidates took hard swings at Biden, a marked contrast from earlier debates when his record was more directly challenged.

The evening likely left the race fairly much as it was before the debate, with Biden holding a sizeable, but not overwhelming lead over U.S. Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

None of the other 17 Democratic presidential candidates seeking the chance to battle Republican President Donald Trump in the November 2020 election have more than 4% support, according to the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

Biden seemed more vulnerable than ever coming into the debate, facing persistent questions about his age, verbal slip-ups and performance on the campaign trail.

But on Thursday, his resilience and forceful defense of his record as a U.S. senator and No. 2 to former President Barack Obama left wide open the question of who else in the field might rise to shake up the race.

“Most had a decent night, but the front-runners are still the front-runners,” said Leah Daughtry, a Democratic strategist in South Carolina, a critical early voting state in next year’s nominating contests.

FEW FIREWORKS
It was the first time Warren was on a debate stage with Biden and the matchup between the old-school Democratic centrist and the spirited progressive senator from Massachusetts was widely anticipated.

Yet it produced no fireworks, as Warren stuck to her pattern of not criticizing other Democrats.

More fortunate for the 76-year-old Biden: Aside from a few slips of the tongue, he provided little ammunition for those who argue he is too old or too out of step to be the party’s nominee.

Rather, most of the candidates stressed party unity and worried aloud about not appearing divided in front of the American people, a shift from earlier debates where intraparty conflict was the story.

When Biden’s rivals on stage did go on the attack, their attempts largely backfired. Most notable was a guided missile fired by Julian Castro, the U.S. housing secretary under Obama, who worked hard to portray Biden as past his prime.

Castro, 44, alleged Biden was “forgetting” something he had said a few minutes earlier and then followed it up by charging that he, not Biden, was the better steward of Obama’s legacy, resulting in audible gasps from the large crowd in attendance.

As it turned out, Castro was incorrect about what Biden had said earlier.

Biden’s advisers criticized Castro for what they called a “cheap shot” and argued that Castro had not learned the lesson of the first two debates - attacking Biden does not pay off.

“Castro went too far, tone-wise,” said Delacey Skinner, a Democratic strategist in Washington who is unaffiliated with a campaign. “The jab at Biden’s age was cringeworthy.”

Even U.S. Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, a candidate on stage with Biden, told ABC News afterward that Castro’s attack was “so personal and so unnecessary.”

Asked afterward about the charge he had taken a cheap shot, Castro told MSNBC: “I completely disagree,” and said he was not suggesting Biden was too old but seeking to highlight their policy differences on healthcare.

Biden was helped as well by several candidates paying homage to Obama’s record, which reinforced Biden’s long-standing argument that he is best positioned to build on the former president’s achievements and reverse Trump’s policies.

Biden himself seized on Obama’s popularity with Democrats early on, by suggesting that Warren lined up with Sanders, a self-described socialist, on policy issues, while he mirrored Obama.

In doing so, Biden drew a sharp distinction between himself and his two closest challengers. “The senator says she’s for Bernie,” Biden said. “Well, I’m for Barack.”

Skinner said another candidate who probably helped himself the most on Thursday was Beto O’Rourke, the former Texas congressman who has refashioned his campaign persona in the aftermath of last month’s shootings in his hometown of El Paso that killed 22.

O’Rourke, who has made gun control his animating issue, vowed unequivocally to call for an assault weapons ban if elected president in a statement that quickly went viral on social media.

“I think he’ll generate some buzz out of this performance,” Skinner said. “The question will be whether or not he can capitalize on it and sustain it.”

The good news for the lesser candidates on the stage on Thursday is that all of them have already qualified for the October debate, where they will be joined by at least one other contender.

That should ensure the debates will again be split into two evenings, but this time in smaller groups, which may give the candidates more time to make their case to an electorate that, to date, has largely ignored them.

 

[Irish#1]

I didn't bother to watch. The only clip I saw was Bernie red faced and yelling. Bernie just comes across as that pissed off old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. He probably angrily mumbles to himself when he goes to bed.

 

[Irishize]

I'm curious about the idea regarding "we need to pay teachers more."

If. They. Are. Worth. More. They. Will. Get. It.

These people are idiots.

They need to look in the mirror....they’re the party behind the Department of Education. How about fix that. Doesn’t matter how much you pay teachers, our schools still suck. Doesn’t matter how much free healthcare you give Americans, they’re still gonna stuff their faces until their mouth cums and they get Type II Diabetes. Doesn’t matter how many gun laws you pass b/c the bad guys don’t follow laws (I thought that was obvious when we labeled them “bad guys”)

#WheresTulsi

 

[Irishize]

Warren said that we need immigrants to "work in the fields." I'm just trying to imagine the reaction if Trump said that.

Pete Buttigieg claims that the only people who support Trump are ones who do not know any immigrants...Trump's wife is an immigrant

Beto jumped a guard rail with his vehicle while drunk driving and then tried to leave the scene of the accident. He could have killed someone. Clearly he shouldn’t own a car, and neither should anyone else.

 

[NorthDakota]

They need to look in the mirror....they’re the party behind the Department of Education. How about fix that. Doesn’t matter how much you pay teachers, our schools still suck. Doesn’t matter how much free healthcare you give Americans, they’re still gonna stuff their faces until their mouth cums and they get Type II Diabetes. Doesn’t matter how many gun laws you pass b/c the bad guys don’t follow laws (I thought that was obvious when we labeled them “bad guys”)

#WheresTulsi

They were talking about paying every teacher in America at least $60K. Per usual, this one size fits all minimum wage for teachers is just stupid. In some areas $60K is a ton of money.

I looked up a little rural town I used to live in. You can BUY a three bed three bath house for like $75K. A STARTING teacher fresh out of school making $60K would be bananas in these little towns.

 

[Irishize]

Probably safe to assume Biden is a millionaire, correct?

Why the hell doesn’t he spend some of that ill-gotten cash on some dental implants? That denture of his is swimming around his mouth like a whale. But four on the floor and hold that denture down....good Lord.

 

[GoIrish41]

They were talking about paying every teacher in America at least $60K. Per usual, this one size fits all minimum wage for teachers is just stupid. In some areas $60K is a ton of money.

I looked up a little rural town I used to live in. You can BUY a three bed three bath house for like $75K. A STARTING teacher fresh out of school making $60K would be bananas in these little towns.

I think the point is to pay teaching professionals professional wages that are on par with the importance of their jobs. We can follow the lead of Alabama, NM, Louisiana and Mississippi and pay substandard wages and we'll get substandard results, or we can follow the example of Mass., NH, Vermont, and Connecticut and pay teachers more and get better results. It's really no different than any other job. If you paid CEOs $150,000 a year, do you think there would no longer be CEOs? Of course not, but the quality of the CEOs would drop significantly.