Democratic Primary Thread (Updated Poll #2)

[RDU Irish]

But how does that happen if he continues to hold around 35%? The other four people polling above 5% have a combined share of approximately 47% between them... so all would need to drop *early* and throw their support behind someone like Warren.

The way Trump got the Republican nomination was holding on to a plurality while Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich stayed in the race too long. Biden has virtually the same path, because unless any of the four drop before Super Tuesday there is only ~15% up for grabs from the other candidates.

Polls at this stage are as much about name recognition as anything. He was Barack Hussein Obama's BFF for two years so he has a pretty big edge on the field this early. Once the field is cut in half the remaining candidates will get a closer look. And sitting at the top he will take a lot of fire. I can't fathom the foaming at the mouth base to settle for a feeble old establishment white man.

 

[GATTACA!]

Warren and Bernie both explicitly stated they will eliminate private insurance. That was a big point of night one with some "moderates" taking Warren to task on that being bad policy.

I thought he was asking about night two only.

 

[IrishLax]

I thought he was asking about night two only.

Got it. I would bet that Castro is for eliminating private insurance, but honestly everyone outside of the top or so is irrelevant.

 

[GATTACA!]

Got it. I would bet that Castro is for eliminating private insurance, but honestly everyone outside of the top or so is irrelevant.

First of all, how dare you?

 

[IrishLax]

First of all, how dare you?

 

[BGIF]

I meant polls with people actually voting on them not some random journalists list of favorites.

Like I said, What polls?

In neither post did you cite any?


I searched google, Real Politics, etc and posted all I found as of the time of my post.

By the way the articles I posted all I found and they were "not some random journalists list". They are all recognized in their field and their names are included and they identified their choices and reasoning.

Ironic that the polls you don't reference are random and anonymous.

Tonight I did find that Yang won the SPIN vote with 65% of the vote garnering about 1020 of the some 1600 votes cast. Hmm, Russians or the Yang family voters.

FiveThirtyEight has Yang between 1 and 3% in the race, bottom feeder territory.


I look forward to you posting some cites for your polls.

 

[GATTACA!]

Like I said, What polls?

In neither post did you cite any?


I searched google, Real Politics, etc and posted all I found as of the time of my post.

By the way the articles I posted all I found and they were "not some random journalists list". They are all recognized in their field and their names are included and they identified their choices and reasoning.

Ironic that the polls you don't reference are random and anonymous.

Tonight I did find that Yang won the SPIN vote with 65% of the vote garnering about 1020 of the some 1600 votes cast. Hmm, Russians or the Yang family voters.

FiveThirtyEight has Yang between 1 and 3% in the race, bottom feeder territory.


I look forward to you posting some cites for your polls.

My point is in my initial post I specifically said "polls" not pundits rankings.


Here are a few random ones I dug up that I had seen the other night.

Washington Examiner

Heavy.com

NJ.com He's in second now in this one but was leading Bernie at the time I made my first post.

270 to win

Polls.fm

I saw several from famous people on twitter. This one was from Zach Braff

Political Polls on twitter They have like 30k followers.

I think I'll stop there. He was also dominating the /r/politics straw poll too, but I think they may have taken it down because I can't seem to find it.

 

[Irish#1]

I support a public option if it creates lower prices for better coverage, allows are most vulnerable citizens to get the basic healthcare they need and deserve BUT...working in healthcare myself, I can tell you that a huge problem with private insurance companies has become their self determined "standard of care" coverage principles in which THEY, an insurance company (not a doctor), are dictating the type of treatments that doctors give to their patients. I deal with this every. single. day. Technology is getting better, treatments for diseases like cancer are getting better, and insurance companies are refusing to pay for these new protocols until they become "standard." Insurance companies need to do their job: collect a premium, pay for the coverage when a customer comes calling. Period.

Sorry Lax, was responding to a post before I read yours about moving the healthcare posts. Feel free to move this.

You are so right. When the insurance refuses to pay, they tell you their staff physician reviewed the bill and deemed the procedure unnecessary. While insurance companies may have physicians on staff, I doubt a physician reviews every claim, so basically you have an outsider who has never seen you, treated you or spoke to your doctor determining your care. Of course if you call them and ask them to prescribe a treatment they will tell you they aren't a physician and aren't allowed to do so.

 

[BGIF]

My point is in my initial post I specifically said "polls" not pundits rankings.


Here are a few random ones I dug up that I had seen the other night.

Washington Examiner

Heavy.com

NJ.com He's in second now in this one but was leading Bernie at the time I made my first post.

270 to win

Polls.fm

I saw several from famous people on twitter. This one was from Zach Braff

Political Polls on twitter They have like 30k followers.

I think I'll stop there. He was also dominating the /r/politics straw poll too, but I think they may have taken it down because I can't seem to find it.

Thanks. My search didn't identify any of those.

Looks like Yang in a landslide.

 

[Wild Bill]

Can someone give an unbiased breakdown of Tulsi's foreign policy issues regarding Asaad and Syria? This isn't new news to me, but I'm curious why she's so against calling a spade a spade. Dude's a mass murderer. If you're not for America getting involved in regime-change wars, fine, but you still have to stand up strongly against ruthless, vile, dictators...no?

Standing up to dictators in the ME hasn't worked out for America or ME. She correctly points this out and does a fine job of making her case, which is why nobody engages her in an honest manner. Instead, they stick to what works - repeating the lie over and over, and constantly smearing her from both the right and the left.

I know Tulsi isn't going to win but I like her demeanor and most of her message. I hope she gets a place at the table in the next debate and continues to attack these other dimwits.

 

[Legacy]

The sexual orientation of Pete Buttigieg, should not be disqualifying or precedent-setting.

Far from Las Vegas: U.S. once had a gay president, and vice president, too

However, just because James Buchanan and William King lived together for ten years and Buchanan mourned King's death and neither married does not mean they were gay. In one historian's words:

“Most historians of sexuality would tell you that the identity categories, the terms and the ideas that we use to organize things like sexual behavior, sexual identity, sexual desire, change over time,. It might be more accurate to say that there may have been presidents in the past who desired men, or had sexual experiences with men… they wouldn’t have necessarily identified as gay in a 21st century sense.”

Proponents of the propensities of Buchanan point to a letter he wrote that said:

“I am now ‘solitary and alone,’ having no companion in the house with me. I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them. I feel that it is not good for man to be alone; and should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection.”

 

[GATTACA!]

Thanks. My search didn't identify any of those.

Looks like Yang in a landslide.

I know he's still an extreme long shot, but as a fan it's nice to see the perception changing from "who??" to "I kinda like that guy".

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Sorry Lax, was responding to a post before I read yours about moving the healthcare posts. Feel free to move this.

You are so right. When the insurance refuses to pay, they tell you their staff physician reviewed the bill and deemed the procedure unnecessary. While insurance companies may have physicians on staff, I doubt a physician reviews every claim, so basically you have an outsider who has never seen you, treated you or spoke to your doctor determining your care. Of course if you call them and ask them to prescribe a treatment they will tell you they aren't a physician and aren't allowed to do so.

Correct.

Just heard a far-lefty co-worker tell me the Mayor Pete is too conservative for her and that Yang is a libertarian who just wants to do away with welfare. I Lol'd at her. The irony is she knows a lot about politics/current events...the problem is that she gets her info from the echo chambers of HuffPo and Young Turks.

 

[ACamp1900]

Correct.

Just heard a far-lefty co-worker tell me the Mayor Pete is too conservative for her and that Yang is a libertarian who just wants to do away with welfare. I Lol'd at her. The irony is she knows a lot about politics/current events...the problem is that she gets her info from the echo chambers of HuffPo and Young Turks.

This literally just happened in my office too. SUPER far lefty that yeah, loves the Young Turks etc. She just went on about how none of the candidates are left enough. She stated that many are basically just Republicans with a D next to their name... different worlds.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

This literally just happened in my office too. SUPER far lefty that yeah, loves the Young Turks etc. She just went on about how none of the candidates are left enough. She stated that many are basically just Republicans with a D next to their name... different worlds.

HAHA.

Yea, I used to enjoy listening to TYT but when 2016 happened, I feel like they lost their minds like the rest of the far-left. Not worth debating these types of folks.

 

[Irish#1]

This literally just happened in my office too. SUPER far lefty that yeah, loves the Young Turks etc. She just went on about how none of the candidates are left enough. She stated that many are basically just Republicans with a D next to their name... different worlds.

Ask her to pay for your health benefits out of her paycheck.

 

[GATTACA!]

Correct.

Just heard a far-lefty co-worker tell me the Mayor Pete is too conservative for her and that Yang is a libertarian who just wants to do away with welfare. I Lol'd at her. The irony is she knows a lot about politics/current events...the problem is that she gets her info from the echo chambers of HuffPo and Young Turks.

This literally just happened in my office too. SUPER far lefty that yeah, loves the Young Turks etc. She just went on about how none of the candidates are left enough. She stated that many are basically just Republicans with a D next to their name... different worlds.

Which is funny because TYT loves Yang.

 

[BGIF]

The sexual orientation of Pete Buttigieg, should not be disqualifying or precedent-setting. ...

Who said it was? Contriving a non-issue?


Now if only Dems could bring themselves to consider a ... dare I say it ... white man.

Race or gender shouldn't be a consideration either but they are in that tent.

 

[Irish YJ]

Who said it was? Contriving a non-issue?


Now if only Dems could bring themselves to consider a ... dare I say it ... white man.

Race or gender shouldn't be a consideration either but they are in that tent.

In the progressive conference they just had, questions were taken according to "progressive stack". If you were a straight biological white male, you were last in line for the mic. A lot of the conversation had to do with "invisible disabilities", which I guess white folks have none.

 

[Irish#1]

Who said it was? Contriving a non-issue?


Now if only Dems could bring themselves to consider a ... dare I say it ... white man.

Race or gender shouldn't be a consideration either but they are in that tent.

In the progressive conference they just had, questions were taken according to "progressive stack". If you were a straight biological white male, you were last in line for the mic. A lot of the conversation had to do with "invisible disabilities", which I guess white folks have none.

We've only begun our persecution. We've got a couple hundred years to go before the left will even think about the field of play being level.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I support Yang more and more on the Democratic side.

Since the topic is current, given the events over the weekend, I will say that I don't fully support Yang's opinions on gun control. However, it's one of the more reasonable (although unconstitutional, imo) stances on guns on the Left.

I also don't support his views on abortion.

Other than that, compared to the other candidates on the left, he seems pretty reasonable.

 

[BGIF]

Elizabeth Warren Spreads Falsehood About Ferguson Shooting

Elizabeth Warren Spreads Falsehood About Ferguson Shooting

Sharyl Attkisson🕵️*♂️
@SharylAttkisson a day ago,

1. With respect, this is false -- and a persistent misconception. The Obama Justice Dept. ultimately determined Brown was *not* "murdered" and "likely did not have his hands up" when shot. The Obama Justice Dept. declined to charge the officer with anything.

Elizabeth Warren
✔
@ewarren
5 years ago Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Michael was unarmed yet he was shot 6 times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue the fight for justice for Michael. We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on.​

1:59 PM - Aug 9, 2019

2. The Obama Justice Dept. ultimately ruled that many witnesses who had claimed in the media (without challenge) that Brown's hands were up-- and other claims-- were "not reliable."

3. The Obama Justice Dept. determined that Brown likely *did* reach into the police vehicle and grab the police officer. There was evidence backing that up, while there was no evidence backing the claim that Wilson grabbed Brown.

4. The Obama Justice Dept. ruled that the officer appeared to fire at Brown in self-defense.

5. The Obama Justice Dept. ruled that Brown was apparently charging at the police officer when Brown was shot.

6. It's understandable that so many don't know these details because they were not well reported in the press when the Obama Justice Dept. report came out a yr later. However, it could be harmful to all to perpetuate misinformation.

7. The Washington Post *did* headline the fact that the Obama Justice Dept. determined Brown's hands were probably not raised, after all.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...no-michael-browns-hands-were-probably-not-up/

8. This was the Obama Justice Dept's final conclusion supporting the police officer's account versus the narrative that was carried on the news and sparked protests.

9. It's not to say there aren't issues of racism and/or bad policing, of course there are. But it is inaccurate to use Michael Brown as an example, according to the Obama Justice Dept.

10. The Michael Brown/Ferguson case, based on the Obama Justice Dept. report, is more an example of irresponsible rhetoric and unchallenged media narratives that ruined the life of a policeman who-- according to the Obama Justice Dept.-- was attacked and did nothing wrong.

11. You can read the Obama Justice Dept. report on Michael Brown and Ferguson for yourself here -- and make up your own mind.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I support Yang more and more on the Democratic side.

Since the topic is current, given the events over the weekend, I will say that I don't fully support Yang's opinions on gun control. However, it's one of the more reasonable (although unconstitutional, imo) stances on guns on the Left.

I also don't support his views on abortion.

Other than that, compared to the other candidates on the left, he seems pretty reasonable.

Agree 100%. Also shows how far left the left has swung.

 

[GATTACA!]

I support Yang more and more on the Democratic side.

Since the topic is current, given the events over the weekend, I will say that I don't fully support Yang's opinions on gun control. However, it's one of the more reasonable (although unconstitutional, imo) stances on guns on the Left.

I also don't support his views on abortion.

Other than that, compared to the other candidates on the left, he seems pretty reasonable.

I've basically come to the conclusion that no matter who I support none of them would align 100% with my opinion on all the issues. Yang comes the closest. I think he also seems like the only real person running for president.

 

[IrishLax]

I've basically come to the conclusion that no matter who I support none of them would align 100% with my opinion on all the issues. Yang comes the closest. I think he also seems like the only real person running for president.

I like Andrew Yang a lot, unfortunately unless he comes out of the next debates polling somewhere closer to 5% he has no chance. Right now Bernie and Warren are splitting the progressive 35% of the party, Biden has the "normal" 35%, and the rest of the candidates are getting 30% between them. Yang needs to be polling around 10% heading into Iowa and New Hampshire, and 15%+ heading into Super Tuesday to have any kind of chance. I'm rooting for him though. I will always take the smart person with vision over the alternatives.

 

[GATTACA!]

I like Andrew Yang a lot, unfortunately unless he comes out of the next debates polling somewhere closer to 5% he has no chance. Right now Bernie and Warren are splitting the progressive 35% of the party, Biden has the "normal" 35%, and the rest of the candidates are getting 30% between them. Yang needs to be polling around 10% heading into Iowa and New Hampshire, and 15%+ heading into Super Tuesday to have any kind of chance. I'm rooting for him though. I will always take the smart person with vision over the alternatives.

He just hit 4% in a New Hampshire poll today so things are moving in the right direction. Biggest thing for Yang is name recognition. According to morning consult 33% of people have no idea who he is.

 

[Irish YJ]

He just hit 4% in a New Hampshire poll today so things are moving in the right direction. Biggest thing for Yang is name recognition. According to morning consult 33% of people have no idea who he is.

He needs a good sex scandal to get his name out there.

 

[BGIF]

He just hit 4% in a New Hampshire poll today so things are moving in the right direction. Biggest thing for Yang is name recognition. According to morning consult 33% of people have no idea who he is.

He needs a good sex scandal to get his name out there.

Perhaps a little Yin action ... or some Yang Yang.

 

[Irish YJ]

Perhaps a little Yin action ... or some Yang Yang.

It just goes to show, there are drawback to not sleeping with your boss for career enhancement (Harris), not lying about your heritage (Warren), not constantly flipping on the issues and gaffing all your speeches (Biden), and being a straight male.

He needs a Spartacus moment.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

LIES!

LIES!

Not surprisingly, only VOX, WaPo, and FactCheck.org called them out as B.S.

Hard pass on these candidates.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Brown’s murder forever changed Ferguson and America. His tragic death sparked a desperately needed conversation and a nationwide movement. We must fight for stronger accountability and racial equity in our justice system.</p>— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) <a href="https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1159893277954514944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5 years ago Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Michael was unarmed yet he was shot 6 times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue the fight for justice for Michael. We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on.</p>— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) <a href="https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1159902078103445507?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>