Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 4 5.8%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 14 20.3%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • Andrew Yang

    Votes: 7 10.1%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 5 7.2%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Other (i.e. an unlisted candidate)

    Votes: 12 17.4%

  • Total voters
    69

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Biden wins Idaho, CNN projects
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Joe Biden will win Idaho, CNN projects, marking his fourth win of the night.

Earlier tonight, CNN projected Biden will win Michigan, Mississippi and Missouri.

There are 20 delegates at stake in Idaho.

Who won in 2016: Bernie Sanders won the Democratic caucuses, and Ted Cruz won the Republican primary.
 

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UPDATED MAR. 11, 2:11 AM ET

Lead/Win Miss. Mo. N.D. Mich. Idaho Wash.
Biden 81% 60% 39% 53% 49% 33%
Sanders 15% 35% 48% 37% 42% 33%
Dlgs avail 36 68 14 125 20 89
Prec. rep 98%100% 63% 96% 95% 0%
 

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Agree. Not sure it will be enough. I assume Trump will win and then people will tire of his schtick halfway through his 2nd term (the more moderate supporters). Even Republicans will start to distance themselves as lame duck Presidents offer very little. '24 should be even nuttier.

Assuming he is reelected, I actually see DJT tying to ram more things through during the last couple of years of his presidency. His ego is too big to be just another lame duck prez.

AOC will be available in '24. You gotta figure they'll be pushing for her, unless the establishment tries to squash her. She's popular, but hasn't always played nice with Pelosi.

She doesn't play nice with anyone except her little clique.

AOC becoming nationally relevant scares me a bit... With Bernie, I think it's mostly talk/empty promises. What I mean is I don't know that he actually believes in all he says (like most politicians honestly). I think AOC is a true believer... which is scary.

If you don't like the way Trump runs the presidency, you won't like AOC. They are more alike than most realize.

Maybe. Especially if she develops some policy chops over the next few years. She's an incredibly talented politician, and v popular with The Youth. Also, I think, Trump is so despised by Dem voters that they place "electability" above all else right now and see Biden as the most "electable." That could be different in four years.

But I do think Democratic voters, as a whole across the country, are more practical/moderate than what you see on Cable News and Twitter. These are the people who nominated Hillary and, apparently soon, Biden, not Bernie or Warren (or any of the other more interesting candidates this time around).

Agree. That's why Biden is kicking Bernie's butt right now.
 

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If you don't like the way Trump runs the presidency, you won't like AOC. They are more alike than most realize.

I think Trump is more like a lot of Dems than people admit... but yeah, she can come off as 'drunk' in a way that is more unique to Trump... lol
 

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How so?

Did they get fired for drug abuse? Sell access to our VP to a foreign nation? Have a weird dating life that involves strippers and brothers widow? Deny their children and become deadbeat parents?

Ohhh and this!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...ily-ties-to-advance-business-interests-report

Charles Kushner, Jared's father, pled guilty to illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and my personal favorite, witness tampering, where he hired a hooker to screw his brother in law, video taped the sex act, sent it to his sister and used it to intimidate her from testifying against him.

Jared Kushner, like Hunter Biden, has been the beneficiary of his father's success. Despite not having the test scores or grades to get into an elite University, Jared was accepted by Harvard, perhaps America's most prestigious University. The mediocre student who accomplished nothing professionally currently serves as a senior advisor to the President.

The Kushners have deep connections with foreign nations, namely Israel - the Kushner family foundation has donated piles of money to charities and politicians in Israel and Netanyahu has literally slept in Jared's bed when he visisted the US. Do you think Jared may have a vested interest in ME policy due to their pre-existing relationship? It was widely reported that US intelligence (whatever that's worth) was concerned that Israel, China, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, and perhaps other nations tried to manipulate Jared b/c he's a moron and his family has finanical interests everywhere. He's had some interesting interactions with Saudi Arabia as well.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/what-explains-trumps-twisted-embrace-of-saudi-arabia/

I posted the article from The American Conservative b/c I'm not trying to do a left wing smear of the Kushner family. This family uses money to influence policy. It's what they do. It's their business. That alone should prevent Jared from having any influence in the WH. Even if he came from a clean family, what has he done to suggest he should be a senior advisor to Trump? He married his daughter?
 
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Charles Kushner, Jared's father, pled guilty to illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and my personal favorite, witness tampering, where he hired a hooker to screw his brother in law, video taped the sex act, sent it to his sister and used it to intimidate her from testifying against him.

Jared Kushner, like Hunter Biden, has been the beneficiary of his father's success. Despite not having the test scores or grades to get into an elite University, Jared was accepted by Harvard, perhaps America's most prestigious University. The mediocre student who accomplished nothing professionally currently serves as a senior advisor to the President.

The Kushners have deep connections with foreign nations, namely Israel - the Kushner family foundation has donated piles of money to charities and politicians in Israel and Netanyahu has literally slept in Jared's bed when he visisted the US. Do you think Jared may have a vested interest in ME policy due to their pre-existing relationship? It was widely reported that US intelligence (whatever that's worth) was concerned that Israel, China, United Arab Emirates, Mexico, and perhaps other nations tried to manipulate Jared b/c he's a moron and his family has finanical interests everywhere. He's had some interesting interactions with Saudi Arabia as well.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/what-explains-trumps-twisted-embrace-of-saudi-arabia/

I posted the article from The American Conservative b/c I'm not trying to do a left wing smear of the Kushner family. This family uses money to influence policy. It's what they do. It's their business. That alone should prevent Jared from having any influence in the WH. Even if he came from a clean family, what has he done to suggest he should be a senior advisor to Trump? He married his daughter?

What's funny, is that his father's conviction was over donating to Dems lol.... The Kushners have been Dems all their lives until 2016 and were in deep with many dems, including even Soros who they had dealings with.

What you described about about Jared and and college, describes just about every rich parent and is a big meh. As far as their relationship with Israel, well duh, I think it was the grandmother or grandfather that's recognized for leading a bunch Jewish prisoners in an escape from the Nazis.

Here's the reason why he's an advisor.... Trust... Jared ran his digital campaign (IIRC), did a good job, and Trump simply can trust him....., which is a rarity. Besides his wife and kids, Jared is probably the only person he can trust these days.

Anyway, at most, you can criticize his father. Jared himself, and the family in general, is no different than any ultra rich family, politics or not. If you simply want to hate the rich and the typical things rich people do, that's fair, but that's what it is.
 

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What's funny, is that his father's conviction was over donating to Dems lol.... The Kushners have been Dems all their lives until 2016 and were in deep with many dems, including even Soros who they had dealings with.

What you described about about Jared and and college, describes just about every rich parent and is a big meh. As far as their relationship with Israel, well duh, I think it was the grandmother or grandfather that's recognized for leading a bunch Jewish prisoners in an escape from the Nazis.

Here's the reason why he's an advisor.... Trust... Jared ran his digital campaign (IIRC), did a good job, and Trump simply can trust him....., which is a rarity. Besides his wife and kids, Jared is probably the only person he can trust these days.

Anyway, at most, you can criticize his father. Jared himself, and the family in general, is no different than any ultra rich family, politics or not. If you simply want to hate the rich and the typical things rich people do, that's fair, but that's what it is.

Jared has a financial interest in his father's business and has done questionable things while serving as senior idiot son in law. His influence in the WH is nothing short of embarrassing and I'm a trump voter.
 

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Jared has a financial interest in his father's business and has done questionable things while serving as senior idiot son in law. His influence in the WH is nothing short of embarrassing and I'm a trump voter.

Honestly asking, what's so embarrassing, and what has he done that's so questionable since joining the team?
 

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I had one of these myself today, same response:

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I had one of these myself today, same response:

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I've seen that reply several times now, and still cracks me up every time. I've had several Bernie door knockers come through the neighborhood, and have simply not answered each time. I almost answered the last time just so I could use it...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNN, MSNBC, & other corporate media outlets are racing to spin Biden threatening to attack a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Michigan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Michigan</a> union worker as a brilliant move.<br><br>If anyone else did this the headlines would say <br>🚨CAMPAIGN MELTDOWN 🚨<br><br>The rich man's media is DESPERATE to cover up <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BidensCognitiveDecline?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BidensCognitiveDecline</a> <a href="https://t.co/iSYazqcuyX">pic.twitter.com/iSYazqcuyX</a></p>— Dr. Jill Stein🌻 (@DrJillStein) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1237495362451054592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Detroit auto worker: "You are actively trying to diminish our Second Amendment right and take away our guns."<br><br>Joe Biden: "You're full of shit."<br><br>Biden staffer: "Alright, thank you guys--"<br><br>Biden: "No, shush! Shush!"<a href="https://t.co/j1fIE5c0HN">pic.twitter.com/j1fIE5c0HN</a></p>— Matt Wolking (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@MattWolking) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1237390097407815687?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MEMO TO STAFF PUT POSITIVE SPIN ON EVERY DUMB THING THIS GUY DOES WE WILL DRAG HIM ACROSS THE FINISH LINE <a href="https://t.co/8tL1tk5hEv">https://t.co/8tL1tk5hEv</a></p>— Kyle Smith (@rkylesmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/rkylesmith/status/1237492374022041602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Honestly asking, what's so embarrassing, and what has he done that's so questionable since joining the team?

It's embarrassing that someone who holds his policy positions combined with his lack of credentials and experience holds a senior advisor position.

There are plenty of stories regarding his dealings. They're easy to find. Maybe some are smear jobs. Maybe some are true. No need to clog up this thread with off topic posts - my point is that I'm not willing to give him or Hunter Biden a pass.
 
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It's embarrassing that someone who holds his policy positions combined with his lack of credentials and experience holds a senior advisor position.

There are plenty of stories regarding his dealings. They're easy to find. Maybe some are smear jobs. Maybe some are true. No me to clog up this thread with off topic posts. My point is that I'm not willing to give him or Hunter Biden a pass.

I've read a bunch of stuff on him. Most if not all, are lib outrage pieces. In terms of policy positions, Trumps positions are now his positions. He was a dem after all before 2016. In terms of experience, his predecessor Brian Deese was only 8 years out of college (no "real" jobs/experience), before he became Obama's advisor.
 

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I would imagine if you go back through the years, most of the advisors to Presidents have had little to no governmental advisory experience or just experience working at a high level in the government.

This is another example where DJT wasn't going to go "business as usual" as President. He wants "yes men" that will follow orders and help get things done.
 

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So Biden was going to explain how he would tackle the Wuhan virus but unfortunately we don't know because his team was unsuccessful in running a simple virtual meeting.

Joe Biden wanted to tell America about what he would do to combat coronavirus on Friday evening, but first, he and his staff had to figure out how to use the computer video program.

After a “virtual” town hall tech disaster that included a wailing baby, looping feedback, the candidate partially walking off camera, and a frustrated sign-off, the campaign emailed viewers to admit failure.

“Tonight, you tuned in to our first ever virtual town hall. And unfortunately, we had some technical difficulties. That’s our bad,” Team Joe wrote.

“We’re working every day to make this campaign better. And in this new era, we are experimenting with new technology. We promise to do better next time.”

The campaign also posted an “edited” version, because it had “technical issues which delayed its start and led to unclear audio.”

The event started 19 minutes late and immediately went off the rails as Biden appeared to be talking, but there was no audio. He stopped, and after a brief pause, resumed his remarks, but his audio was feeding through multiple computers, which created a feedback loop.

The campaign eventually fixed the audio issue, which resulted in Biden no longer appearing on camera.

As the campaign turned to questions, the first woman made a statement, instead: “Mr. Biden’s speech was garbled the entire time.” The moderator promptly moved onto another person.

Twenty-four minutes after it started, a frustrated Biden said, “I’m sorry this is such a disjointed effort here,” and signed off.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elec...-after-town-hall-tech-disaster-thats-our-bad/
 

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The link below is I think an edited version of the meeting where they cut out a lot of the beginning. The first ten minutes are okay as Joe is talking on script I think. But then after the doctor speaks a bit Joe starts answering questions where his answers are rambling and incoherent at times. At the end he is answering a question but wanders out of camera's range. I just can't see how he will possibly get through a live debate where he will need to speak off the top of his head for an extended period of time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhsV_6dWVs
 

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I watched this.

Apparently our biases severely color how we take small things. What I saw and heard was a guy who had a very large number of worthwhile things to say and felt a bit pressed for two reasons: handling very complicated subjects without being trivial and simplistic, and miffed that his team had screwed up the technology so that, for instance, he had to hold a cellphone in his hand just to get the sound properly out. (just as I wouldn't blame Kelly for "not washing all the jerseys", I wouldn't blame a candidate for not handling all the microphone technology.)

Biden looked to me like I always felt that he's looked --- an old athlete who likes a "natural" way of being on stage, not bound to a podium and certainly not lumbered with holding a cellphone to his face while trying to answer complex questions. Biden is best when he can move around, smile and make a joke, interact with a crowd --- Trump likes some of that too, though he prefers to "lean into" questions from the podium. I can't fault guys who dislike rigid speaking circumstances and hated them myself.

Biden's answers, for me, were about as good as they could have been, but no question asked was a softball and no question asked allowed a short answer (unless one wanted to be misleadingly simple.)

A fault? If I was an advisor, I'd suggest that Biden take some time to practice "hesitation" in his answers --- go slower. Meditate on the inquiry just a mere second or so, and then ease the complex answers out. Whatever political stances listeners took, almost everyone of every stripe admitted that both Clinton and Obama were masters of the measured complex answer while smiling and easing about stages and microphones while seeming to engage a crowd. Most Republicans who have given me their opinions think that their stage craft was a major reason why both got elected.

Biden has, in the past, had some of this in him. If he regains his style (while dumping the occasionally too crude/rough comments that his old locker-room attitudes placed in him), my guess is that he'll do very well in natural talk settings. Debate? If I was a Trump advisor, I'd try to get him mad. Biden has always had a bit too much fire in him.
 

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The link below is I think an edited version of the meeting where they cut out a lot of the beginning. The first ten minutes are okay as Joe is talking on script I think. But then after the doctor speaks a bit Joe starts answering questions where his answers are rambling and incoherent at times. At the end he is answering a question but wanders out of camera's range. I just can't see how he will possibly get through a live debate where he will need to speak off the top of his head for an extended period of time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhsV_6dWVs

Democrats can’t figure out Webex but boast about how much better their anti-business and open-border approach to the Wu Flu would be.

Meanwhile, Joe looks like he belongs in a home.
 

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Democrats can’t figure out Webex but boast about how much better their anti-business and open-border approach to the Wu Flu would be.

Meanwhile, Joe looks like he belongs in a home.

Joe believes he has a "decided schematic advantage"....

He just can't remember what it was, or where he put it.
 

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How Is Biden ahead of Bernard. It's amazing how we watch these things happen. Sanders Is the Trump of the Democratic party. He might not beat Trump, but He has won the party and should be at the stand If we 'Americans' want to see the BS that's going on. Trump Vs. Sanders
 

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IMO this was Bernie's last shot to turn the momentum and he blew it.

I think Biden is going to get crushed in the general.
 

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How Is Biden ahead of Bernard. It's amazing how we watch these things happen. Sanders Is the Trump of the Democratic party. He might not beat Trump, but He has won the party and should be at the stand If we 'Americans' want to see the BS that's going on. Trump Vs. Sanders

It's quite simple IMO. Most Dems do not want socialism or radical changes.


IMO this was Bernie's last shot to turn the momentum and he blew it.

I think Biden is going to get crushed in the general.

Didn't watch it. Care to provide a recap?
 

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I thought it was odd that Joe kept coughing. The talk of a fracking ban was an exceptional move by Joe as well. Committing to a female VP seems sexist to me. What if the best candidate is male?
The gaffes on the virus were disturbing, but surely will be ignored by the media that is committed to hauling Joe to the finish line.

My favorite part though is Bernie calling on Joe's bluff to name the PACs.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Biden: "You have 9 super PACs, do you want me to list them?"<br><br>Bernie: "Yes, please list them"<br><br>Biden: "Come on man, give me a break." <a href="https://t.co/y1CSuMRjr4">pic.twitter.com/y1CSuMRjr4</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1239352476362592263?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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I thought it was odd that Joe kept coughing. The talk of a fracking ban was an exceptional move by Joe as well. Committing to a female VP seems sexist to me. What if the best candidate is male?
The gaffes on the virus were disturbing, but surely will be ignored by the media that is committed to hauling Joe to the finish line.

My favorite part though is Bernie calling on Joe's bluff to name the PACs.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Biden: "You have 9 super PACs, do you want me to list them?"<br><br>Bernie: "Yes, please list them"<br><br>Biden: "Come on man, give me a break." <a href="https://t.co/y1CSuMRjr4">pic.twitter.com/y1CSuMRjr4</a></p>— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1239352476362592263?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

...unless he already knows who he's going to pick and it's a woman, in which case it's just a factual statement.

Bernie, not Joe, confused Ebola with Coronavirus. Complaining about "the media" covering for Joe Biden gaffes on the virus when ignoring that Bernie made far more egregious "gaffes" belies your bias.

We get it. You're terrified he's going to beat your guy and are sad that the Russian troll farms, divisive Trump tweets, etc. couldn't get Bernie the nomination.
 

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Only way Joe Biden loses is if seniors stay home from voting because of the Coronavirus. It's really that simple. We'll see what happens, but voter suppression in the remaining primaries is a very real risk.
 

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...unless he already knows who he's going to pick and it's a woman, in which case it's just a factual statement.

Bernie, not Joe, confused Ebola with Coronavirus. Complaining about "the media" covering for Joe Biden gaffes on the virus when ignoring that Bernie made far more egregious "gaffes" belies your bias.

We get it. You're terrified he's going to beat your guy and are sad that the Russian troll farms, divisive Trump tweets, etc. couldn't get Bernie the nomination.

I don't know if Biden knows who will pick or not, but saying he's going with a female for VP is a way to secure the female vote and keep Bernie from gaining any momentum as they round turn four and head for home.
 

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I don't know if Biden knows who will pick or not, but saying he's going with a female for VP is a way to secure the female vote and keep Bernie from gaining any momentum as they round turn four and head for home.

What's interesting is that Klobuchar had a slip-of-tongue a few days ago about being on the ticket. There are a lot of rumors about her and Harris being the two front runners for VP.
 

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...unless he already knows who he's going to pick and it's a woman, in which case it's just a factual statement.

Bernie, not Joe, confused Ebola with Coronavirus. Complaining about "the media" covering for Joe Biden gaffes on the virus when ignoring that Bernie made far more egregious "gaffes" belies your bias.

We get it. You're terrified he's going to beat your guy and are sad that the Russian troll farms, divisive Trump tweets, etc. couldn't get Bernie the nomination.

No, his woman comment was a clear case of using identity politics. Much like his comments on a black woman on the court vice a discussion of judicial methodology or legal substance. Identity politics have become so common on the left you probably didn't even notice it.

Joe's gaffes are common and weren't gone last night. BTW, the common rebuttal is that he has had a stuttering problem for decades and that's why he mutters ridiculous crap all of the time. Stick to the story. Maybe you have N1HI or something and were distracted?

I'm not terrified of him winning. He's been a zero on races running for POTUS before and would have been again had the party not posted an urgent wall to stop the radical left from putting a true socialist on the ticket. He's farmed out his policies to the biggest lobbyists on the left and will be a placeholder for left-wing interests. They won't be able to hide his cognitive decline for an entire cycle.

Bernie's support is real, btw. I've seen more Bernie crap out there than anyone else. Not everything you don't like is a pretend thing from Russia.
 

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No, his woman comment was a clear case of using identity politics. Much like his comments on a black woman on the court vice a discussion of judicial methodology or legal substance. Identity politics have become so common on the left you probably didn't even notice it.

Joe's gaffes are common and weren't gone last night. BTW, the common rebuttal is that he has had a stuttering problem for decades and that's why he mutters ridiculous crap all of the time. Stick to the story. Maybe you have N1HI or something and were distracted?

I'm not terrified of him winning. He's been a zero on races running for POTUS before and would have been again had the party not posted an urgent wall to stop the radical left from putting a true socialist on the ticket. He's farmed out his policies to the biggest lobbyists on the left and will be a placeholder for left-wing interests. They won't be able to hide his cognitive decline for an entire cycle.

Bernie's support is real, btw. I've seen more Bernie crap out there than anyone else. Not everything you don't like is a pretend thing from Russia.

Bernie's support is quite fake. It's a handful of passionate people, the same ~30% who have been voting for him since the beginning. That's why he's getting crushed by Biden and couldn't even beat historically unlikable Hillary head-to-head. Don't confuse some loud young people on Twitter or canvassing activists with widespread support. There's a reason Trump wants so badly to run against him and why Russia has been propping him up for a lonnnnnnng time.

Only thing that can save Bernie is the Coronavirus. He better pray all the old people stay home.
 
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