Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

[stlnd01]

So you're basically saying Dems would vote for this guy right now.

I mean, I preferred several of their actual candidates. But, yeah.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't think Trump's base will ever tire even in a lame duck situation. It's a pretty strong mix of folks that 1) hate DC, and 2) think the left has gone to far left.

The moderates and INDs maybe, but a lot of them are either 1 or 2 as well if not both. It will really be about the GOP candidate, and what platform and narrative they choose to run on.

I think it will be Haley like Lax. If she can tap into Trump's base while not being Trump like, she could be hard to beat.

Agree Trump’s base won’t tire of him, but that’s maybe 35 percent of the electorate. He does need some moderates/independents and “normal” Republicans to win. I think a decent number of those people have tired of him already and will vote for a reasonable moderate Dem like Biden, especially if the economy turns south this year. Or stay home if they don’t have Hillary to vote against this time. But we won’t really know until November.

And yeah, right now Haley looks like she’s be hard to beat in ‘24. Hell if for some reason Trump decided to quit and gave her his full-throated endorsement right now she’d win easily in 2020.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think the '24 election will probably be Nikki Haley vs.... Warren? Buttigieg? Yang?

AOC will be available in '24. You gotta figure they'll be pushing for her, unless the establishment tries to squash her. She's popular, but hasn't always played nice with Pelosi.

 

[stlnd01]

AOC will be available in '24. You gotta figure they'll be pushing for her, unless the establishment tries to squash her. She's popular, but hasn't always played nice with Pelosi.

We’re talking about a party who’s base voters - not just “the establishment” - are running to 77-year-old Joe Biden because he’s the safe choice. They’re practical, not stupid. If Bernie can’t win, they’re not nominating AOC either.

 

[NDRock]

I don't think Trump's base will ever tire even in a lame duck situation. It's a pretty strong mix of folks that 1) hate DC, and 2) think the left has gone to far left.

The moderates and INDs maybe, but a lot of them are either 1 or 2 as well if not both. It will really be about the GOP candidate, and what platform and narrative they choose to run on.

I think it will be Haley like Lax. If she can tap into Trump's base while not being Trump like, she could be hard to beat.

I will just be surprised if the Republican candidates in '24 will be fighting for Trump's endorsement. People tire of the President after 8 years and Trump dominates so much of the discussion that I think it will be especially so for him. As always, it will be interesting.

 

[Irish YJ]

Agree Trump’s base won’t tire of him, but that’s maybe 35 percent of the electorate. He does need some moderates/independents and “normal” Republicans to win. I think a decent number of those people have tired of him already and will vote for a reasonable moderate Dem like Biden, especially if the economy turns south this year. Or stay home if they don’t have Hillary to vote against this time. But we won’t really know until November.

And yeah, right now Haley looks like she’s be hard to beat in ‘24. Hell if for some reason Trump decided to quit and gave her his full-throated endorsement right now she’d win easily in 2020.

Honestly I don't know if that many moderates have grown tired. I consider myself an IND that hates Trump in a lot of ways, but I haven't tired. My mother, a staunch dem for 71 years and who voted twice for Obama, hasn't tired. For both of us, we simply don't see the left doing anything but continuing to go farther left, even with old-Joe. Most of the ship jumpers bailed already from Trump IMO. I see Joe as just a moderate face the establishment is slapping on while those behind him get more woke and drift further. Pelosi's days are numbered, and she's already lost cred due to folks like AOC+3.

I'm already starting to get excited about Haley lol. Wish she was running now.

 

[Irish YJ]

I will just be surprised if the Republican candidates in '24 will be fighting for Trump's endorsement. People tire of the President after 8 years and Trump dominates so much of the discussion that I think it will be especially so for him. As always, it will be interesting.

IDK, unless DC all of sudden captures the confidence of the people, or the left stops moving left, I don't see people tiring. Those two things happening is like

 

[drayer54]

What Biden won’t do is the entire basis of his appeal (to moderate Democrats and independent voters, not you, clearly).

He won’t do all the stupid, divisive and inflammatory things Trump does.
He won’t do socialism like Bernie
He won’t be as divisive a candidate as Hillary was, which means a lot of Dems think he’s their best chance to beat Trump.

That’s it. That’s why he’s winning. It’s not his policies but his personality, and probably a desire by a lot of people to have a boring and normal president again. I’m not a “Biden lover either, but I get it.

Biden’s never done well in the POTUS race for a reason. He’s unethical and he can’t complete a sentence. Good luck.

 

[Circa]

Biden’s never done well in the POTUS race for a reason. He’s unethical and he can’t complete a sentence. Good luck.

Might be an unethically planned event.... I got a tinfoil hat already and his weird antics lately have told me what should be obvious, he can't read the script or we are all silly for believing this odd set of events.

 

[stlnd01]

Biden’s never done well in the POTUS race for a reason. He’s unethical and he can’t complete a sentence. Good luck.

You're the one voting for Trump, my friend.

 

[ulukinatme]

We’re talking about a party who’s base voters - not just “the establishment” - are running to 77-year-old Joe Biden because he’s the safe choice. They’re practical, not stupid. If Bernie can’t win, they’re not nominating AOC either.

I agree that Joe is the more attractive candidate because he appeals more to moderates, but Joe also has the charisma of a plum. AOC would have the Bernie popularity with youth and she could reach the minorities that Bernie couldn't. I don't know if the establishment would go for it, and yeah she probably wouldn't hit it off with the moderates, but she would be a strong candidate and probably would be more popular than Bernie with progressives given her age and background.

 

[ACamp1900]

We’re talking about a party who’s base voters - not just “the establishment” - are running to 77-year-old Joe Biden because he’s the safe choice. They’re practical, not stupid. If Bernie can’t win, they’re not nominating AOC either.

AOC becoming nationally relevant scares me a bit... With Bernie, I think it's mostly talk/empty promises. What I mean is I don't know that he actually believes in all he says (like most politicians honestly). I think AOC is a true believer... which is scary.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree that Joe is the more attractive candidate because he appeals more to moderates, but Joe also has the charisma of a plum. AOC would have the Bernie popularity with youth and she could reach the minorities that Bernie couldn't. I don't know if the establishment would go for it, and yeah she probably wouldn't hit it off with the moderates, but she would be a strong candidate and probably would be more popular than Bernie with progressives given her age and background.

Maybe. Especially if she develops some policy chops over the next few years. She's an incredibly talented politician, and v popular with The Youth. Also, I think, Trump is so despised by Dem voters that they place "electability" above all else right now and see Biden as the most "electable." That could be different in four years.

But I do think Democratic voters, as a whole across the country, are more practical/moderate than what you see on Cable News and Twitter. These are the people who nominated Hillary and, apparently soon, Biden, not Bernie or Warren (or any of the other more interesting candidates this time around).

 

[IrishLax]

Will AOC be old enough? She turns 31 this fall. Is the rule 35 on election day? If so, she'll make it by a couple weeks.

I doubt she runs, and if she does run I doubt she even comes close to snagging the nomination.

 

[Wild Bill]

Will AOC be old enough? She turns 31 this fall. Is the rule 35 on election day? If so, she'll make it by a couple weeks.

I doubt she runs, and if she does run I doubt she even comes close to snagging the nomination.

At the time of taking office.

The 2024 President elect would be sworn in on 1.20.25, if I'm not mistaken, so she would meet the age qualification.

 

[Rogue219]

I find most Bernie supporters I interact with online or in person to be like Targaryans.

Flip a coin.

 

[koonja]

Will AOC be old enough? She turns 31 this fall. Is the rule 35 on election day? If so, she'll make it by a couple weeks.

I doubt she runs, and if she does run I doubt she even comes close to snagging the nomination.

Let's hope not. Thatd be as bad as Bernie

 

[drayer54]

You're the one voting for Trump, my friend.

Well, I don't know who in the Trump family is selling access to the foreigners, but I vote based on impact to my life. I don't love my choices, but it is pretty clear when this is one of the choices:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Voter tells Biden he’s concerned that Biden will end 2nd amendment rights. <br><br>Biden responds: You’re full of sh*t. <a href="https://t.co/XCFjia2NjP">pic.twitter.com/XCFjia2NjP</a></p>— The Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1237392252197982209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[koonja]

You're the one voting for Trump, my friend.

False. Trump has won my vote.

This is our country, our taxes, our futures, our security.

This isn't a game so I won't be voting for a joke.

 

[gkIrish]

Will AOC be old enough? She turns 31 this fall. Is the rule 35 on election day? If so, she'll make it by a couple weeks.

I doubt she runs, and if she does run I doubt she even comes close to snagging the nomination.

She has way too may plain stupid comments that aren't even political that would be played on loop by her opponent. She isn't intelligent.

 

[BGIF]

AOC Too Young For Pres Or VP in 2020. In Her Own Words

AOC Too Young For Pres Or VP in 2020. In Her Own Words

Will AOC be old enough? She turns 31 this fall. Is the rule 35 on election day? If so, she'll make it by a couple weeks.

I doubt she runs, and if she does run I doubt she even comes close to snagging the nomination.

At the time of taking office.

The 2024 President elect would be sworn in on 1.20.25, if I'm not mistaken, so she would meet the age qualification.

AOC: ‘It'd be an honor to be vice president’
by Paul Bedard | December 23, 2019 09:34 AM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/aoc-itd-be-an-honor-to-be-vice-president

She’s a bit too young to legally hold the job, but that hasn’t stopped Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez from measuring the drapes in the vice president’s office.

“It’d be an honor to be vice president,” she said in a weekend interview when asked about becoming Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’s running mate should he become the Democratic presidential nominee.

But, she added, at 30, she is five years short of the constitutional age limit for vice president — or president.

“Well, I can't be his running mate, because I'm not old enough. I'm 30, and you have to be at least 35. But, it'd be an honor to be vice president,” she told Noticias Telemundo.


She will be eligible for the job in time for the 2024 election.




From AOC's Wiki:

Born: October 13, 1989 (age 30 years)

 

[Irish YJ]

She has way too may plain stupid comments that aren't even political that would be played on loop by her opponent. She isn't intelligent.

Yup. Bag of hammers dumb in a lot of ways. She wins twitter with the young progressives though.

 

[Irish YJ]

Skinny Tuesday (or Thursday for Biden) results the last couple rounds.

MICHIGAN (125 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
OPEN PRIMARY
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 9 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Primary not sanctioned by DNC;
2016: Clinton 48.3 percent, Sanders 49.7
2016 general election - Trump 47.3 percent, Clinton 47 percent

WASHINGTON (89 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
CLOSED PRIMARY
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 11 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Obama 67.6 percent, Clinton 31.2 percent;
2016: Sanders 72.7 percent, Clinton 27.1 percent
2016 general election - Clinton 52.5 percent, Trump 36.8 percent

MISSOURI (68 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
OPEN PRIMARY
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 8 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Obama 49.3 percent, Clinton 47.9 percent;
2016: Clinton 49.6 percent, Sanders 49.4 percent
2016 general election - Trump 56.4 percent, Clinton 37.9 percent

MISSISSIPPI (36 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
OPEN PRIMARY
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 8 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Obama 61.2 percent, Clinton 36.7 percent;
2016: Clinton 82.5 percent, Sanders 16.6 percent
2016 general election - Trump 57.9 percent, Clinton 40.1 percent

IDAHO (20 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
CLOSED PRIMARY
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 11 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Obama 79.5 percent, Clinton 17.2 percent;
2016: Sanders 78 percent, Clinton 21.2 percent
2016 general election - Trump 59.3 percent, Clinton 27.5 percent

NORTH DAKOTA (14 PLEDGED DELEGATES)
OPEN CAUCUS
LAST POLLS CLOSE AT 8 PM ET
Past results -
2008: Obama 61.2 percent, Clinton 36.6 percent;
2016: Sanders 64.2, Clinton 25.6 percent
2016 general election - Trump 63 percent, Clinton 27.2 percent

 

[stlnd01]

Well, I don't know who in the Trump family is selling access to the foreigners, but I vote based on impact to my life. I don't love my choices, but it is pretty clear when this is one of the choices:

Really?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...55f9c0-02cd-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...711e53-eb49-4f9a-8dea-3cd836fcf287_story.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...get-400-million-from-chinese-on-marquee-tower

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/its-literally-pay-to-play-at-mar-a-lago

If this stuff doesn't bother you, that's fine. And if you prefer Trump based on how he impacts your life, that's cool. Vote for him, by all means.
But calling Biden "unethical" because his son was on the board of some Ukranian gas utility (which I agree is dumb) while turning a blind eye to what the Trump folks have been doing since he got in office seems like a double standard.

 

[Irish YJ]

Really?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...55f9c0-02cd-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...711e53-eb49-4f9a-8dea-3cd836fcf287_story.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...get-400-million-from-chinese-on-marquee-tower

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/its-literally-pay-to-play-at-mar-a-lago

If this stuff doesn't bother you, that's fine. And if you prefer Trump based on how he impacts your life, that's cool. Vote for him, by all means.
But calling Biden "unethical" because his son was on the board of some Ukranian gas utility (which I agree is dumb) while turning a blind eye to what the Trump folks have been doing since he got in office seems like a double standard.

In all fairness, comparing the Trumps and Kushners to Hunter is like comparing apples to orangutans. Hunter was doing something he had zero history or experience in.

In two of the links above regarding Trump properties, one in which a country switched from the 4 Seasons to a Trump property, and the other an Eye Institute gala (this is weak as hell by the way), it's a pre-existing business. And by all accounts, Trump properties overall have suffered due to lib-strikes during his presidency. And to compare Mar-a-lago to the Clinton Foundation were only like 3% of the money taken in found it's way to the needy, is pretty laughable.

The other two links are about the Kushners, who have been real estate moguls going back 3 generations. Neither story is specific to Jared, and I doubt many would expect the family to stop working while Jared holds a post.

In short, Hunter had nothing to sell but his name, and that's what he did. He had no experience, no history, and by all accounts has been a F-up his entire life. Trumps and Kushners have a long history in the business in question, and I personally don't expect either family to stop doing business or sell of everything for 4 years.

 

[drayer54]

In all fairness, comparing the Trumps and Kushners to Hunter is like comparing apples to orangutans. Hunter was doing something he had zero history or experience in.

In two of the links above regarding Trump properties, one in which a country switched from the 4 Seasons to a Trump property, and the other an Eye Institute gala (this is weak as hell by the way), it's a pre-existing business. And by all accounts, Trump properties overall have suffered due to lib-strikes during his presidency. And to compare Mar-a-lago to the Clinton Foundation were only like 3% of the money taken in found it's way to the needy, is pretty laughable.

The other two links are about the Kushners, who have been real estate moguls going back 3 generations. Neither story is specific to Jared, and I doubt many would expect the family to stop working while Jared holds a post.

In short, Hunter had nothing to sell but his name, and that's what he did. He had no experience, no history, and by all accounts has been a F-up his entire life. Trumps and Kushners have a long history in the business in question, and I personally don't expect either family to stop doing business or sell of everything for 4 years.

Understanding the mess that is Hunter is tough. Here's a visual:

 

[Irish YJ]

Mainstream media ignore report of Joe Biden's brother facing fraud allegations
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-ignores-joe-biden-brother-fraud-allegations

 

[Circa]

Mainstream media ignore report of Joe Biden's brother facing fraud allegations
https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-ignores-joe-biden-brother-fraud-allegations

I hate to be that guy with an opinion.... but,.... Sean Hannity has been defending/criticizing things for years that gives me heart problems. He Is like a wave in the middle of the ocean. Up/Down with significance If the quake happens.
I'm a dork who listened to talk radio since before it was online and a podcast. I still listen to 1170 AM.
It's embarrassing what I remember and can't recall, yet Sean tries to deflect and make millions off of it. (I guess I should say in this day and age, good for him).
' Paul Harvey' and the rest of the story died.... and so did the story.

 

[Wild Bill]

In all fairness, comparing the Trumps and Kushners to Hunter is like comparing apples to orangutans. Hunter was doing something he had zero history or experience in.

In two of the links above regarding Trump properties, one in which a country switched from the 4 Seasons to a Trump property, and the other an Eye Institute gala (this is weak as hell by the way), it's a pre-existing business. And by all accounts, Trump properties overall have suffered due to lib-strikes during his presidency. And to compare Mar-a-lago to the Clinton Foundation were only like 3% of the money taken in found it's way to the needy, is pretty laughable.

The other two links are about the Kushners, who have been real estate moguls going back 3 generations. Neither story is specific to Jared, and I doubt many would expect the family to stop working while Jared holds a post.

In short, Hunter had nothing to sell but his name, and that's what he did. He had no experience, no history, and by all accounts has been a F-up his entire life. Trumps and Kushners have a long history in the business in question, and I personally don't expect either family to stop doing business or sell of everything for 4 years.

The Kushners are pure filth.

 

[BGIF]

Monday's Primaries

Monday's Primaries

Michigan Primary est 85% in updated 1:31 AM ET, Mar 11, 2020

CANDIDATE	VOTES	%
BIDEN 764,980 52.7%
SANDERS 543,204	 37.4%
GABBARD 8,973	 0.6%

Missouri Primary est 95% in updated 1:05 AM ET, Mar 11, 2020

CANDIDATE	VOTES	%
BIDEN 399,734	60.1%
SANDERS 229,643 34.5%
GABBARD 4,871	 0.7%

Mississippi Primary est 89% in updated 1:25 AM ET, Mar 11, 2020

CANDIDATE	VOTES	%
BIDEN 215,792	 81.0%
SANDERS 39,519	 14.8%
GABBARD 975	 0.4%

North Dakota Caucuses est 63% in updated 1:20 AM ET, Mar 11, 2020

CANDIDATE	VOTES	%
SANDERS 2,987 47.5%
BIDEN 2,472	 39.3%
GABBARD 16	 0.3%

Washington Primary est 69% in updated 12:24 AM ET, Mar 12, 2020

CANDIDATE	VOTES	%
SANDERS 335,498	 32.7%
BIDEN 333,414	 32.5%
GABBARD 8,550	 0.8%