Democratic Primary Thread (New Poll - January)

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FEBRUARY 6, 2020 / 11:59 AM / UPDATED 14 MINUTES AGO
'Enough is enough' - Democrats call for Iowa caucus recanvass
Amanda Becker and Doina Chiacu

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez on Thursday called for a recanvass of the Iowa caucuses after an array of problems delayed results from the party’s first 2020 presidential nominating contest and created uncertainty about their accuracy.

“Enough is enough. In light of the problems that have emerged in the implementation of the delegate selection plan and in order to assure public confidence in the results, I am calling on the Iowa Democratic Party to immediately begin a recanvass,” Perez said in a Twitter post.

No winner has been declared four days after the caucuses took place in 1,600 locations throughout Iowa on Monday night.

With 97% of precincts counted, Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, has 26.2% of state delegate equivalents and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders has 26.1%, according to the Iowa Democratic Party.

It was not clear when the rest of the results would be released, and the troubled process has clouded the Democrats’ efforts to find a challenger to Republican President Donald Trump in November.

The delay was initially attributed to a technical problem with a new mobile app, but other concerns have emerged.

The Iowa Democratic Party received an “unusually high volume of inbound calls” to its caucus hotline on Monday night from “callers who would hang up immediately after being connected, supporters of President Trump who called to express their displeasure with the Democratic Party, and Iowans looking to confirm details,” a party official said on Thursday.

Party staff worked to flag and block repeat callers who appeared to be attempting to jam the lines and interfere with the reporting of caucus results, and the call volume was “highly irregular” compared to previous caucuses, the official said.

Earlier, the New York Times reported that more than 100 precincts reported results that were internally inconsistent, that were missing data or that were not possible under the caucus rules, casting doubt on the count.

The Party representative declined to comment on the Times report. The Iowa Party has previously said photos of results and a paper trail would be used to ensure an accurate count.

Speaking in New Hampshire, Sanders called the Iowa count a “screw-up” and said it was unfair to all candidates.

Trump himself has criticized the process, though his own party switched the declared Iowa winner two weeks after its caucuses there in 2012.

The Democratic candidates have moved on to campaign in New Hampshire, which holds a primary next week, but have continued to criticize the Iowa caucuses. Former Vice President Joe Biden called the whole process “a gut punch,” on Wednesday.

Biden, once considered the Democratic frontrunner nationally, lags in fourth place in Iowa behind Senator Elizabeth Warren.

After Iowa’s reporting issues and delays, the Nevada Democratic Party, which hosts its caucus on Feb. 22, is “scrapping both the app and ties to Shadow,” the company that developed caucus-reporting apps for both Iowa and Nevada, party spokeswoman Molly Forgey said.

“Luckily for us we had a series of backup plans in place and, given the situation or any particular scenario, we had a backup plan,” Forgey added.

“We’re certainly looking at what the best path forward is at this point, which backup plan would be most reliable, most secure and that our Democrats can feel confident in,” Forgey said.

 

[drayer54]

Bernie won Iowa and looks like he will carry NH. I have to think Creepy Joe and Warren will look at dropping soon after. Only reason some haven’t so far is the mess from IDP and the appearance of chaos.

 

[NorthDakota]

Bernie won Iowa and looks like he will carry NH. I have to think Creepy Joe and Warren will look at dropping soon after. Only reason some haven’t so far is the mess from IDP and the appearance of chaos.

Dont think Crazy Uncle Joe will try to ride it out to the Southern states?

 

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Bernie won Iowa and looks like he will carry NH. I have to think Creepy Joe and Warren will look at dropping soon after. Only reason some haven’t so far is the mess from IDP and the appearance of chaos.

Sounds like the real reason DNC wants a new vote.

 

[drayer54]

Sounds like the real reason DNC wants a new vote.

I talked to some people in the know in Iowa and they described the IT issues from running this app out of TestFlight into production as grossly negligent and seriously incompetent. They also said that the IDP had full results on Tuesday from 177 precincts. This was stalled to take away Bernie’s momentum. The state party officials and Sanders crew have not got along at all since 16. 16 caucus caused bad blood there as many felt he was screwed then. Loose lipped legislators in the Capitol apparently had the final tally Tuesday.

Dont think Crazy Uncle Joe will try to ride it out to the Southern states?

Not a chance he quits until Super Tuesday.

 

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Looking for a final vote count I found this better explanation. Pete's 26.2% times the 41 state delegates results in 10.7 delegates. The 11 delegates would reflect rounding up. IF that's correct Pete got 11, Bernie got 11, and Elizabeth 5. That's 27 who gets the missing 14? Hillary? Bloomberg?




https://www.google.com/search?q=iowa+caucus+results&rlz=1C1PHUY_enUS703US705&oq=Iowa+Caucus+results&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l4j69i60l3.9864j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

As if they couldn't make this shit any more complicated.

 

[Irish YJ]

As if they couldn't make this shit any more complicated.

And they add a badly coded tech on top of a confusing and complicated process.....

I love how they tried to blame Trump supporters for calling in to the caucus HQs for the confusion lol...

 

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Published 3 hours ago Last Update 1 hour ago
Iowa Dems release '100 percent' of caucus vote totals showing Buttigieg ahead, amid calls for recanvass
By Gregg Re | Fox News

The Iowa Democratic Party announced that "100 percent" of precincts were finally reporting results late Thursday night -- 72 hours after the state's first-in-the-nation caucuses concluded on Monday, and after numerous irregularities led the head of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to call for a complete recanvass.

The state party's numbers showed that Pete Buttigieg would be awarded 564 SDEs, or state delegate equivalents, while Bernie Sanders would receive 562 SDEs. Sanders held a sizeable popular vote lead, though, and finished ahead of Buttigieg by a 43,671 to 37,557 vote margin. He fell behind in delegates due to Iowa's unusual voting system that gave different delegate weights to different precincts.

After the "second alignment" -- meaning the popular vote after the elimination of candidates who received less than 15 percent of the vote in the first round of caucusing -- Sanders was still ahead of Buttigieg, 45,826 votes to 43,195.

Almost immediately after the new results posted, more reports of discrepencies popped up. One precinct captain wrote on Twitter that he could "faithfully say" that the reported results were obviously "bulls--t."

"As a precinct captain in DM 06, I know for a fact the numbers reported for that district for every candidate who got more than 0 votes are wrong," Scott Santens wrote. "185 people caucused there. They say only 92 did."

And, despite the Iowa Democrats' website saying "100 percent" of precincts were reporting, it appeared several caucus sites still had no data reported. The state party's website apparently rounded up to 100 percent from 99.5 percent.


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With 100% of precincts reporting, I can faithfully say the Iowa results are bullshit. As a precinct captain in DM 06, I know for a fact the numbers reported for that district for every candidate who got more than 0 votes are wrong. 185 people caucused there. They say only 92 did.

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Buttigieg was speaking on-stage at a CNN town hall when the numbers went live, and despite all of the apparent problems, anchor Chris Cuomo suggested the former South Bend, Ind., mayor had won the caucuses.

"That is fantastic news," Buttigieg said. "We are looking to New Hampshire and beyond."

But Sanders, minutes earlier and throughout the day, had said he won the race, considering his popular vote advantage.

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The disastrous caucuses drew mockery from President Trump earlier in the day, as he argued in the East Room of the White House that Democrats could not be trusted to run the nation's health care system if they couldn't even count votes in a timely and reliable manner.


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The Democrats "can’t count some simple votes, and yet they want to take over your health care system.

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Elizabeth Warren finished with 387 SDEs, Joe Biden with 341, Amy Klobuchar with 264, and Andrew Yang with 22. By popular vote, Warren had 32,533 votes after the first round of caucusing and 34,771 after the second; Biden had 26,384 after round one and 23,691 after round two; and Klobuchar had 22,469 after round one and 21,181 after round two. Yang plummeted from 8,821 in the first round to 1,780 in the second.

Those numbers were catastrophic for Biden, who has run his campaign on the notion that he's the most electable candidate. For other candidates, the confusion threatened to overshadow the typical media-driven momentum boost that results from a strong Iowa performance.

At the same time, it remained unclear whether the results would stand, or whether there could be more changes. DNC head Tom Perez earlier Thursday called for a recanvass of the results of the Iowa caucuses, saying it was needed to "assure public confidence" after three days of apparent technical issues, vote-counting irregularities and delays.

"Enough is enough," Perez wrote on Twitter.

Meanwhile, The Associated Press said Thursday it was unable to declare a winner of the Democrats' Iowa caucuses.

"The Associated Press calls a race when there is a clear indication of a winner. Because of a tight margin between former Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Bernie Sanders and the irregularities in this year’s caucus process, it is not possible to determine a winner at this point," wrote Sally Buzbee, AP's senior vice president and executive editor.

The caucus crisis was an embarrassing twist after months of promoting Iowa as a chance for Democrats to find some clarity in a jumbled 2020 field. Instead, after a buildup that featured seven rounds of debates, nearly $1 billion spent nationwide and a year of political jockeying, caucus day ended with no winner and no official results.

Campaigning in New Hampshire, Sanders called the Iowa Democratic Party's management of the caucuses a “screw-up" that has been "extremely unfair" to the candidates and their supporters.

"We've got enough of Iowa," he said later Thursday at a CNN town hall, just before Buttigieg spoke. "I think we should move onto New Hampshire."

 

[Irish#1]

And they add a badly coded tech on top of a confusing and complicated process.....

I love how they tried to blame Trump supporters for calling in to the caucus HQs for the confusion lol...

Conspiracy theory..........HRC's group jammed the phones to create chaos and not define a clear winner. A little later when more confusion appears and there's no clear cut leader, HRC swoops in, offers to take the mantel and have another run at DJT.

 

[IrishLax]

There are multiple precinct captains saying that they know for a fact that the numbers for their precinct are wrong.

All in all, Iowa just has a system so dumb they should get zero delegates.

 

[stlnd01]

Bernie won Iowa and looks like he will carry NH. I have to think Creepy Joe and Warren will look at dropping soon after. Only reason some haven’t so far is the mess from IDP and the appearance of chaos.

Klobuchar and Yang may not last much longer but Biden and Warren will both go until at least Super Tuesday. They have the organization and the money to do so, and honestly those states are way more representative of the actual electorate than Iowa or New Hampshire (or even Nevada or South Carolina). There's reason to think they'll perform better in at least some of those places.

That said, they both need better results if they hope to keep this from becoming a Bernie-Buttigieg-Bloomberg race pretty quick.

 

[Irish YJ]

Conspiracy theory..........HRC's group jammed the phones to create chaos and not define a clear winner. A little later when more confusion appears and there's no clear cut leader, HRC swoops in, offers to take the mantel and have another run at DJT.

I've wished all year that she'd jump into the mix. More for the entertainment value than anything. I wanted to see Berndog go off on her for 2016 stuff, and Trump for the rest.

She's such an unlikable person, I'm sure the progressives all begged her to stay away. Not that any of the current candidates are very likable, but still...

 

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Buttigieg campaign mocked for adding applause to CNN town hall clip


He's a total phony creep.

I couldn't stand him fro the jump so I'm glad he's validating my first impression.

 

[NorthDakota]

There are multiple precinct captains saying that they know for a fact that the numbers for their precinct are wrong.

All in all, Iowa just has a system so dumb they should get zero delegates.

There is something weird going on there.

The best idea might just be what you said...just say Iowa is out of the mix.

Sinking Biden could be fun. Ending up with Bernie v. Trump could be amusing. Worst case...Bernie beats Trump and has a conservative SCOTUS tell him he's a goddamn commie and reject everything. Meanwhile millennials grow up and find out what taxes do and drift more towards the center.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Mayor Pete doesn’t think very highly of the Obama-Biden record. Let’s compare. <a href="https://t.co/132TB7MHaq">pic.twitter.com/132TB7MHaq</a></p>— Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) (@JoeBiden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1226189752598171648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is pretty good.

 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Mayor Pete doesn’t think very highly of the Obama-Biden record. Let’s compare. <a href="https://t.co/132TB7MHaq">pic.twitter.com/132TB7MHaq</a></p>— Joe Biden (Text Join to 30330) (@JoeBiden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1226189752598171648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is pretty good.

It's open season on Buttigieg and I'm here for it.

That's a great ad.

 

[ACamp1900]

The Obama Biden claims in the ad are,.... special,... but I guess that’s how political ads go

 

[Irish YJ]

The Obama Biden claims in the ad are,.... special,... but I guess that’s how political ads go

Biden uses bailouts, a bad Iranian deal, etc.. I guess it works for the dem base, but good lord it's ammo for the right.

I love seeing them go at each other though. I've never understood what people see in Mayor Pete anyway.

 

[MJ12666]

Joe might have been joking when he called a young woman a ‘lying, dog-faced pony soldier’ but it sure would make a great attack ad for anyone who wanted to do so.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/j...man-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier-2020-02-10

 

[IrishLax]

Bloomberg surging and killing Biden. Is Joe done? Sure seems like it, and that Bernie is going to win the nomination with his ~30% support in very Trumpian fashion.

 

[Wild Bill]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1226973723720396808?s=19

-Bloomberg surging

 

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Bloomberg Soars To Early Lead In NH

Bloomberg Soars To Early Lead In NH

Wins Dixville Notch in BOTH Democrat and Republican primaries.

Mike leads Pete and Barney, 2-1-1.

Mike was written on Republican ballot and won over Trump and Weld, 1-0-0.

 

[Irish#1]

Bloomberg surging and killing Biden. Is Joe done? Sure seems like it, and that Bernie is going to win the nomination with his ~30% support in very Trumpian fashion.

It appears he's done as is Warren who never really was a threat, but she's not smart enough to drop out for the betterment of the party.

 

[Irish YJ]

Bloomberg surging and killing Biden. Is Joe done? Sure seems like it, and that Bernie is going to win the nomination with his ~30% support in very Trumpian fashion.

The latest "national" polls I've seen still have this a Biden/Sanders race. Bloomberg and Buttigieg are climbing, but still firmly below the top 2.

I still think Biden wins SC which will energize his ego.

It'll be interesting to see how much Bloomberg spends on Super Tuesday.

Did you see the Biden's "I'll be damned if I'm going to lose this country to Trump" speech... Good lord the drama.... Every time I watch him, he acts like a 50s cowboy..

 

[IrishLax]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/status/1226973723720396808?s=19

-Bloomberg surging

Nobody cares but the Bernie bros, who were never going to vote for Bloomberg anyways. What he’s saying is that he identified the high crime, high gun areas and did something about it. Those areas were all minority heavy, so minorities were disproportionately targeted. He fell into the same trap as Clinton where minorities ask for safer neighborhoods so then you police those neighborhoods and 10 years later they start calling you racist because the people being arrested were minorities.

What’s funny is that instead of appreciating how shockingly safe NYC is relative to other major cities and that the NYPD has one of the best records of restraint in the country when it comes to using firearms... everyone is going to fixate on stop and frisk being racist. Which it was, it targeted minorities. But this shows that many progressives would be perfectly content to let urban minorities kill themselves and otherwise languish in high crime areas while blaming “systemic racism” than do literally anything to target criminals in those communities.

 

[NorthDakota]

The latest "national" polls I've seen still have this a Biden/Sanders race. Bloomberg and Buttigieg are climbing, but still firmly below the top 2.

I still think Biden wins SC which will energize his ego.

It'll be interesting to see how much Bloomberg spends on Super Tuesday.

Did you see the Biden's "I'll be damned if I'm going to lose this country to Trump" speech... Good lord the drama.... Every time I watch him, he acts like a 50s cowboy..

Anytime I see Biden it starts to make sense how he has always failed as a candidate.

 

[IrishLax]

In the week after the Iowa caucus, Biden dropped 7 points in New Hampshire polls. Buttigieg jumped 8. Klobuchar jumped 7.

Momentum matters, and it's an absolutely insane process that Iowa -- with their shit show of a "caucus" -- gets preferential treatment. No primaries/caucuses should be allowed before Super Tuesday, IMO.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Nobody cares but the Bernie bros, who were never going to vote for Bloomberg anyways. What he’s saying is that he identified the high crime, high gun areas and did something about it. Those areas were all minority heavy, so minorities were disproportionately targeted. He fell into the same trap as Clinton where minorities ask for safer neighborhoods so then you police those neighborhoods and 10 years later they start calling you racist because the people being arrested were minorities.

What’s funny is that instead of appreciating how shockingly safe NYC is relative to other major cities and that the NYPD has one of the best records of restraint in the country when it comes to using firearms... everyone is going to fixate on stop and frisk being racist. Which it was, it targeted minorities. But this shows that many progressives would be perfectly content to let urban minorities kill themselves and otherwise languish in high crime areas while blaming “systemic racism” than do literally anything to target criminals in those communities.

Totes. Would rep, if could.

 

[Irish YJ]

Nobody cares but the Bernie bros, who were never going to vote for Bloomberg anyways. What he’s saying is that he identified the high crime, high gun areas and did something about it. Those areas were all minority heavy, so minorities were disproportionately targeted. He fell into the same trap as Clinton where minorities ask for safer neighborhoods so then you police those neighborhoods and 10 years later they start calling you racist because the people being arrested were minorities.

What’s funny is that instead of appreciating how shockingly safe NYC is relative to other major cities and that the NYPD has one of the best records of restraint in the country when it comes to using firearms... everyone is going to fixate on stop and frisk being racist. Which it was, it targeted minorities. But this shows that many progressives would be perfectly content to let urban minorities kill themselves and otherwise languish in high crime areas while blaming “systemic racism” than do literally anything to target criminals in those communities.

Giuliani was actually responsible for most of the crime drop in NYC. It had already started to drop a bit with Dinkins, but Giuliani had consistent and significant drops throughout his time as mayor. Leveled off with Bloomberg, and honestly I think he was in a no win situation. It was simply hard to improve on things anymore, so he ended up doing some things he shouldn't...

The thing I like least about Bloomberg is that he tried to increase term limits (NYC Mayor) so he could run a third time.

But I do agree, he fell into that trap. More policing means more arrest, so doesn't really matter what area you're policing, it's just a natural output. Still, that tape sounds awful, and will hurt him in the coming primaries/polls.

 

[Irish YJ]

Nobody cares but the Bernie bros, who were never going to vote for Bloomberg anyways. What he’s saying is that he identified the high crime, high gun areas and did something about it. Those areas were all minority heavy, so minorities were disproportionately targeted. He fell into the same trap as Clinton where minorities ask for safer neighborhoods so then you police those neighborhoods and 10 years later they start calling you racist because the people being arrested were minorities.

What’s funny is that instead of appreciating how shockingly safe NYC is relative to other major cities and that the NYPD has one of the best records of restraint in the country when it comes to using firearms... everyone is going to fixate on stop and frisk being racist. Which it was, it targeted minorities. But this shows that many progressives would be perfectly content to let urban minorities kill themselves and otherwise languish in high crime areas while blaming “systemic racism” than do literally anything to target criminals in those communities.

On the comparison to other cities.