Defensive Coordinator Search 2020

[NDdomer2]

They both suck. But you don’t have to shovel humidity.

Technically you don't have to shovel snow either

 

[Irishize]

The Geaux247 board said Freeman is autonomous over the UC D and would expect the same at any destination, would he get that at LSU with a somewhat warm seated defensive coach in Ed O? Also that he got a large NFL offer so money wise has seen it dangled before. The post made me think he may ultimately decide to stay more than what was previously relayed, which I guess is better than LSU, even if it’s not ultimately ND.

https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/Marcus-Freeman-interview-with-LSU-wraps-up-158764777/

If LSU thinks Freeman is the next Aranda & Freeman has an agent w/ a pulse, the contract would be too heavy to lift but would guarantee his job through a coaching change like Aranda’s deal.

 

[Irishize]

I would rather shovel snow than board up for a hurricane

Agreed there. No offense to the folks from LA but New Orleans is a modern day Sodom & Gommoroh and why people would be ok w/ living in structures below sea level has always boggled the mind.

I have tons of friends & coworkers who live in NOLA, Lafayette, BR, etc. but most have family connections there so it’s hard to argue w/ someone’s roots. South LA & North LA (Shreveport, Monroe, etc) are like two different states other than their love for LSU & the Saints.

 

[duncanOrDie]

They both suck. But you don’t have to shovel humidity.

When it's 95 degrees, you can still do things outside: jump in a pool, sit in the shade, play sports and sweat to death.

When it's 0 degrees, you cannot do anything outside(don't say skiing, we're talking south bend not Colorado).

 

[ab2cmiller]

Didn't realize that Freeman and Mickens played High School ball together.

Freeman's final 4 as a recruit was Michigan, pOSU, Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

 

[Irish YJ]

When it's 95 degrees, you can still do things outside: jump in a pool, sit in the shade, play sports and sweat to death.

When it's 0 degrees, you cannot do anything outside(don't say skiing, we're talking south bend not Colorado).

I'll take heat/humidity any day....

Cold is only good when skiing, skating, snowball fight, ice fishing, or days you want to Netflix and chill with your girl.... Nobody is skiing in SB, and I doubt many are skating or drilling a hole to fish in. Maybe a few snowball fights.....

Humidity, like Tequila, makes her clothes fall off.... A wise man named Joe Nichols once told me.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'll take heat/humidity any day....

Cold is only good when skiing, skating, snowball fight, ice fishing, or days you want to Netflix and chill with your girl.... Nobody is skiing in SB, and I doubt many are skating or drilling a hole to fish in. Maybe a few snowball fights.....

Humidity, like Tequila, makes her clothes fall off.... A wise man named Joe Nichols once told me.

Joe prefers weather to be Sunny and 75 though

 

[Luckylucci]

Didn't realize that Freeman and Mickens played High School ball together.

Freeman's final 4 as a recruit was Michigan, pOSU, Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

And this is why there was, and rightfully so, optimism while he was in town. He’s a Midwest guy that has always played and coached in the Midwest. And a lot of people think he’s a guy that gets the ND culture. There are some concerns about culture in BR, also rightfully so. However, if LSU is prepared to do something insane like offer him $3M+/year, all that might go out the window.

 

[Irish YJ]

Joe prefers weather to be Sunny and 75 though

LOL... And that's probably the football season average in the South from Oct to Dec...

 

[duncanOrDie]

I'll take heat/humidity any day....

Cold is only good when skiing, skating, snowball fight, ice fishing, or days you want to Netflix and chill with your girl.... Nobody is skiing in SB, and I doubt many are skating or drilling a hole to fish in. Maybe a few snowball fights.....

Humidity, like Tequila, makes her clothes fall off.... A wise man named Joe Nichols once told me.

Agreed.

But I totally get that the hot vs cold debate is ultimately up to the debater. Much like the breasts vs butt debate.

 

[irishff1014]

We needed some exciting news here. Sounds like we are going to end up with dam near a whole new defensive staff. This could be setting the program back.

 

[Irish YJ]

Agreed.

But I totally get that the hot vs cold debate is ultimately up to the debater. Much like the breasts vs butt debate.

I'm a legs and azz guy (breasts aren't bad lol), but I think most athletes would prefer hot to cold. And most of the elite guys are from sunny places. Going to guess most coaches, regardless of where they are from, are the same. While they may have grown up in the N, or MW, there's a reason why folks move South typically, and not North.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm a legs and azz guy (breasts aren't bad lol), but I think most athletes would prefer hot to cold. And most of the elite guys are from sunny places. Going to guess most coaches, regardless of where they are from, are the same. While they may have grown up in the N, or MW, there's a reason why folks move South typically, and not North.

My parents got flights to Naples and Savannah in the next couple months to look at winter homes. I feel betrayed.

 

[Irish YJ]

My parents got flights to Naples and Savannah in the next couple months to look at winter homes. I feel betrayed.

My aunt is in Naples right now for two weeks. My mom's neighbors left a week ago to spend 6 weeks a few blocks down beach from where we normally stay. I'm deeply depressed.... lol.

I love Savannah, and have spent a good amount of time there, and in Hilton Head. If your going for a winter home, hands down Naples though. Savannah is great in the spring and fall, not so great in the winter. Summers are hot without a good gulf breeze. And Naples is just a much nicer area on the whole. Savannah is a beautiful place though. Tybee is pretty cool too. Hilton head is only 40 min North. I still have a 3BR timeshare there in one of the plantations on the point.

 

[NorthDakota]

I still have a 3BR timeshare there in one of the plantations on the point.

Guys...it turns out YJ was Koon's alternate account this whole timennnn

 

[GATTACA!]

Thanks Beau, we can't tolerate that kinda crap around here. I know that tensions are high all around right now, but we just can't let stuff like that go unchallenged.

I agree. No if he had said Ann Arbor......

 

[Irish YJ]

Guys...it turns out YJ was Koon's alternate account this whole timennnn

lol...

It was something my x-wife talked me into. Still co-own with her. Honestly, it's been a great deal when I use it. I just have favored SW Florida and Central America the last several years.

 

[IrishRazor82]

If we lose out on Freeman because we wouldn't pay, and end up with Elston, who I'm not convinced is this great asset just because he's loyal and likeable, it will feel like a major blow.

I hope Elston sticks around and hope he remains the DL coach, but if he left we'd be fine. We're too close to truly competing for it all to land in the middle. We need a big time DC the next 2-3 years.

 

[Dale]

If we lose out on Freeman because we wouldn't pay, and end up with Elston, who I'm not convinced is this great asset just because he's loyal and likeable, it will feel like a major blow.

I hope Elston sticks around and hope he remains the DL coach, but if he left we'd be fine. We're too close to truly competing for it all to land in the middle. We need a big time DC the next 2-3 years.

Isn’t a prevalent part of this versus years prior improvement in the trenches?

 

[ThePiombino]

We needed some exciting news here. Sounds like we are going to end up with dam near a whole new defensive staff. This could be setting the program back.

I really don't think there's any could be about it. It's happening. Somehow we went from a destination job to...this. Everyone said (pundits and fans alike) "It's a good thing Lea is leaving. It means the program is churning out successful results. Coaches will notice. Blah, blah, blah." Yeah, talk to me in another year or two when the offense finally catches up and the defense BLOWS again.

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If we lose out on Freeman because we wouldn't pay, and end up with Elston, who I'm not convinced is this great asset just because he's loyal and likeable, it will feel like a major blow.

I hope Elston sticks around and hope he remains the DL coach, but if he left we'd be fine. We're too close to truly competing for it all to land in the middle. We need a big time DC the next 2-3 years.

Isn’t a prevalent part of this versus years prior improvement in the trenches?

Which is probably why he said he hopes he sticks around as DL coach. Reality is we need to take the next step on the D side and easiest way to do that is to give that side a jolt via a home run hire -- a real Xs and Os guy who will hit the trail like a fucking mad dog. I'm convinced that if we promote Elston, we're more likely to stay the course (at best) than to take that next step to making the D elite. Freeman is that guy. Elston is not.

 

[SoIll]

I really don't think there's any could be about it. It's happening. Somehow we went from a destination job to...this. Everyone said (pundits and fans alike) "It's a good thing Lea is leaving. It means the program is churning out successful results. Coaches will notice. Blah, blah, blah." Yeah, talk to me in another year or two when the offense finally catches up and the defense BLOWS again.

Spot on. Fuck everything. This type of shit shouldn't be happening. This is embarrassing.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Isn’t a prevalent part of this versus years prior improvement in the trenches?

I'm not sure that's an easy answer. I for one was pretty underwhelmed with the development of Daelin Hayes, Ade, and Jay Ade this year, and they were all supposed to be NFL pedigree players at least eventually.

Hinish is really the only one I can think of that impressed this year. Everyone else was OK, but no better than year's past, no?

 

[Dale]

Which is probably why he said he hopes he sticks around as DL coach.

“Not convinced is this great asset”

“Just because he’s loyal and likable”

Those struck me as more disparaging his coaching ability.

 

[ThePiombino]

“Not convinced is this great asset”

“Just because he’s loyal and likable”

Those struck me as more disparaging his coaching ability.

If you take his post at face value, I think all he's saying is he's a good DL coach that would make for an underwhelming DC hire. I agree. ND deserves better.

 

[Dale]

If you take his post at face value, I think all he's saying is he's a good DL coach that would make for an underwhelming DC hire. I agree. ND deserves better.

“If he left we’d be fine”

Lol I get what you’re saying and agree with your own points, I don’t necessarily think the OP was crediting Elston much in terms of coaching ability.

It’s possible Elston is a underwhelming DC hire while also being a good DL coach, for more reasons then mentioned at the same time, I think that we are agreeing on

 

[ThePiombino]

“If he left we’d be fine”



Lol I get what you’re saying and agree with your own points, I don’t necessarily think the OP was crediting Elston much in terms of coaching ability

He can speak for himself, but my assumption is he believes Elston is not irreplaceable. I tend to agree. If he was, he'd be the obvious choice to replace Lea and he wouldn't have been passed over for the role twice already. Think about that for a second. Notre Dame may very well hire a guy as defensive coordinator who Notre Dame itself didn't deem fit to do so two times within the last few years.

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[BeauBenken]

He can speak for himself, but my assumption is he believes Elston is not irreplaceable. I tend to agree. If he was, he'd be the obvious choice to replace Lea and he wouldn't have been passed over for the role twice already. Think about that for a second. Notre Dame may very well hire a guy as defensive coordinator who Notre Dame itself didn't deem fit to do so two times within the last few years.

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It's not like coaches cannot improve though. Learn new things. Master new crafts.

 

[IrishRazor82]

It's not like coaches cannot improve though. Learn new things. Master new crafts.

IDK about that. We're seeing coordinators and HC's (even in the NFL) achieve great success at very early ages. I think this is showing us something that was probably true all around -- I'd much more bet on a younger person who's shown a real skill for the job than trust a mid-40's something to suddenly learn a game that's not terribly complicated if you dedicate your life to it.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's not like coaches cannot improve though. Learn new things. Master new crafts.

Not saying they can't, but the reality is if Elston is promoted it means we settled at the position. For all the talk of how this would be a destination job once Lea left and DCs would be lining up for an opportunity, for us to promote a guy who we have passed over twice will be a loss IMO, especially in terms of optics. Sure, we'll try to sell it as "continuity", but we all know what really happened. Another opportunity for the program to take a marked step upwards will have been thwarted by the admin. And everyone will blame BK...

 

[dublinirish]

Not saying they can't, but the reality is if Elston is promoted it means we settled at the position. For all the talk of how this would be a destination job once Lea left and DCs would be lining up for an opportunity, for us to promote a guy who we have passed over twice will be a loss IMO, especially in terms of optics. Sure, we'll try to sell it as "continuity", but we all know what really happened. Another opportunity for the program to take a marked step upwards will have been thwarted by the admin. And everyone will blame BK...

you could say same things about Bob Quinn but he did alright coaching a Joe Moore finalist OL this year