Dec 19 | ACC Championship | Clemson

[NDGOLDEN]

I’m more nervous about this game than the NC game, the Cotton Bowl, and the other Clemson game. We win this the year was successful everything else would be sprinkles and a cherry on top (every swinging dick will claim because of Covid there should be an asterisk next to the natty winner) this is the one thing that no one can dispute this is the one championship we can win this year than no one can say is illegitimate. We win this we do something truly extraordinary for this program. I need a beer already.

Honestly that asterisks should say the hardest season ever. The stuff that these kids had to go through day in and day out should make this season the hardest season ever.

 

[arndtjc]

Any ticket info drop yet?

 

[Irishize]

Honestly that asterisks should say the hardest season ever. The stuff that these kids had to go through day in and day out should make this season the hardest season ever.

Absolutely! Boston College just announced that they have decided against playing in a bowl after input from the players. They’re worn out physically & mentally after navigating all the COVID restrictions which meant they couldn’t see their loved ones.

The only team that would deserve an asterisk in my (biased) opinion is if tOSU wins it all after playing 6-7 games.

 

[Irishize]

Any ticket info drop yet?

I’ve only heard it will be less than 6000 tickets which is smaller than ND’s last home game attendance.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Vegas Insider has it listed as -7.5, but the only specific book they reference is Draft Kings'

They don't show any others with a line as yet

Lines opened up this morning when I went online to see how I did last night (fell asleep)... I wonder what Vegas is thinking/knows?? From Circa Sports-

Clemson -11
ND +11
O/U 60 1/2

 

[rtrn2glory]

Lines opened up this morning when I went online to see how I did last night (fell asleep)... I wonder what Vegas is thinking/knows?? From Circa Sports-

Clemson -11
ND +11
O/U 60 1/2

Probably the same thing they "knew" last game, but now they got Lawrence and their defensive dudes back healthy so that's giving them the edge.

I'll admit it scares me considering that's more than I was thinking it would be. I thought it would be a one position spread, but not the case.

 

[Free Manera]

The good news is if ND loses by 12 or less, they are in. The bad news is they play Rowww Taahd

 

[tko]

That line means the Clemson TE slips free down the seam late to seal a 15 point win for Clemson. I hope I'm wrong, obviously. I also hope we can hit the fuk out of TL and put just a hint of doubt in his mind about the keeper.

 

[Irish YJ]

Any ticket info drop yet?

I'm on Clemson's mail list and haven't seen anything. Nothing on their site either.

 

[rikkitikki08]

ND 35
Clemson 31

GO IRISH

 

[IrishLax]

I expected the line to be about 7.5 points. Kind of shocked its 11, and more shocked that the OVER went up 10 points from the first meeting. It is also weird that the reported William Hill early line was so low... the whole thing is fishy.

 

[Irish YJ]

I was thinking 10-14

I won't be shocked if it goes higher.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

That line is crazy. If this were 2 months ago and we hadn't already beaten them, fine. But to have a line that high on a rematch the dog won, injuries and COVID aside, is crazy.

 

[Irish YJ]

That line is crazy. If this were 2 months ago and we hadn't already beaten them, fine. But to have a line that high on a rematch the dog won, injuries and COVID aside, is crazy.

IDK. Not so crazy to me. The first game was 1) at ND, 2) double OT, and 3) minus Touchdown Trevor and 2 of their best guys on D (and they lost others). Not to mention took some Mahome magic by Book at the end just to get it to OT.

Going to bet the money goes to Clemson even with the current line, and it'll creep up even more.

 

[EvilleIrish]

I expected the line to be about 7.5 points. Kind of shocked its 11, and more shocked that the OVER went up 10 points from the first meeting. It is also weird that the reported William Hill early line was so low... the whole thing is fishy.

i'm with you. I have a very bad feeling this might be a 2018 CFB replay.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Here are some others...


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[notredomer23]

All my books are still 7.5.

Edit: Draftkings is 9.5

 

[Dizzyphil]

MGM has the line at Clemson -7.5


So - something is going on.. when it get a little later, I'll call my buddy in AZ and find out what is going on because the money lines have changed as well and the line hasn't been out long enough for it change as much as it has among different sites...


Will keep updating




https://fightingirishwire.usatoday.com/2020/12/09/betmgm-notre-dame-clemson-line-posted/

 

[dublinirish]

As mentioned on II podcast if ND loses this game they likely will face Bama in playoffs, and coming off a loss that might be pretty

 

[Wingman Ray]

As mentioned on II podcast if ND loses this game they likely will face Bama in playoffs, and coming off a loss that might be pretty

Not to be Debbie Downer here...

But did anyone really expect ND to be a NC contender this year? I mean, Im sure everyone here thought the team would have a good showing but no one expected the win over Clemson and traditionally, ND steps in it when it comes to game they should win.

And honestly on paper, how many ND starters would start for Bama, Clemson or OSU? Seriously. Possibly the TE on offense or 1 or 2 OL? How many realistically defense wise? Be honest with yourself.

I dont expect a rematch win vs Clemson and I dont expect a win vs Bama week one. Im hoping for it stays respectable but I really think Clemson would love to run the score up to show that game was a severe fluke without several of their starters. If ND doesnt bring their A++ game, that is exactly what will happen.

If ND keeps either of those games single digits it is a major win for the program TBH. Because every year prior, those games were embarrassments.

 

[Irish YJ]

Not to be Debbie Downer here...

But did anyone really expect ND to be a NC contender this year? I mean, Im sure everyone here thought the team would have a good showing but no one expected the win over Clemson and traditionally, ND steps in it when it comes to game they should win.

And honestly on paper, how many ND starters would start for Bama, Clemson or OSU? Seriously. Possibly the TE on offense or 1 or 2 OL? How many realistically defense wise? Be honest with yourself.

I dont expect a rematch win vs Clemson and I dont expect a win vs Bama week one. Im hoping for it stays respectable but I really think Clemson would love to run the score up to show that game was a severe fluke without several of their starters. If ND doesnt bring their A++ game, that is exactly what will happen.

If ND keeps either of those games single digits it is a major win for the program TBH. Because every year prior, those games were embarrassments.

Personally I expected to win every game but Clemson. And I though our chances were better this year, than in the past (vs Clemson). But no, wasn't about the Natty train.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Not to be Debbie Downer here...

But did anyone really expect ND to be a NC contender this year? I mean, Im sure everyone here thought the team would have a good showing but no one expected the win over Clemson and traditionally, ND steps in it when it comes to game they should win.

And honestly on paper, how many ND starters would start for Bama, Clemson or OSU? Seriously. Possibly the TE on offense or 1 or 2 OL? How many realistically defense wise? Be honest with yourself.

I dont expect a rematch win vs Clemson and I dont expect a win vs Bama week one. Im hoping for it stays respectable but I really think Clemson would love to run the score up to show that game was a severe fluke without several of their starters. If ND doesnt bring their A++ game, that is exactly what will happen.

If ND keeps either of those games single digits it is a major win for the program TBH. Because every year prior, those games were embarrassments.

Pretty much your reputation at this point IMO so no need for the disclaimer...lol

This OLine could start for any team across the county. Mayer could start anywhere. Williams would be a fine rotational back for any of the mentioned above. Kyle Hamilton and JOK are two of the best defensive players in the country. so, I just named....about 7-10 guys who could start or be in a heavy rotation at Bama, Clemson, tOSU, etc. (5 OL, Williams, Mayer, KH and JOK).

Apparently you weren't on the board leading up to Nov. 03? Plenty of people believed we had a shot to beat Clemson, even if you didnt and still don't.

Go ahead and be pessimistic, you have that right. But if you can't believe we have a shot to beat Clemson after this 10-0 run, especially the way the boys played in November, I don't know what to tell you and I feel sorry for your outlook as a fan.

 

[Irishize]

Not to be Debbie Downer here...

But did anyone really expect ND to be a NC contender this year? I mean, Im sure everyone here thought the team would have a good showing but no one expected the win over Clemson and traditionally, ND steps in it when it comes to game they should win.

And honestly on paper, how many ND starters would start for Bama, Clemson or OSU? Seriously. Possibly the TE on offense or 1 or 2 OL? How many realistically defense wise? Be honest with yourself.

I dont expect a rematch win vs Clemson and I dont expect a win vs Bama week one. Im hoping for it stays respectable but I really think Clemson would love to run the score up to show that game was a severe fluke without several of their starters. If ND doesnt bring their A++ game, that is exactly what will happen.

If ND keeps either of those games single digits it is a major win for the program TBH. Because every year prior, those games were embarrassments.

JOK & Hamilton would start on the other three teams IMO.

I stand by what I’ve said from the beginning....if ND isn’t competitive they don’t deserve a CFP bid b/c Bama will do to them what they did in 2012. A regular season matchup vs Bama is far more navigable than a playoff matchup IMO.

ND is getting zero sympathy for disruption across their vaunted OL due to season ending injury to Patterson & Kraemer/Correll/Lugg being banged up. If ND gets beat handily, don’t expect that excuse to work after the fact either. Notre Dame has to be buttoned up. None of that “it wasn’t their day” BS. Zero excuses b/c if Clemson controls the game throughout, the narrative (whether we like it or not) will be that ND won the 1st game b/c TL & 3/4 of the defense were out or banged up. I swear as each week has passed since ND won, Clemson fans have claimed they lost an additional starter on defense going into that game.

 

[dublinirish]

Not to be Debbie Downer here...

But did anyone really expect ND to be a NC contender this year? I mean, Im sure everyone here thought the team would have a good showing but no one expected the win over Clemson and traditionally, ND steps in it when it comes to game they should win.

And honestly on paper, how many ND starters would start for Bama, Clemson or OSU? Seriously. Possibly the TE on offense or 1 or 2 OL? How many realistically defense wise? Be honest with yourself.

I dont expect a rematch win vs Clemson and I dont expect a win vs Bama week one. Im hoping for it stays respectable but I really think Clemson would love to run the score up to show that game was a severe fluke without several of their starters. If ND doesnt bring their A++ game, that is exactly what will happen.

If ND keeps either of those games single digits it is a major win for the program TBH. Because every year prior, those games were embarrassments.

My point is both games could get out of hand and get ugly for ND, we might go from having the best season ever to two crushing defeats in the space of a few weeks

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

IDK. Not so crazy to me. The first game was 1) at ND, 2) double OT, and 3) minus Touchdown Trevor and 2 of their best guys on D (and they lost others). Not to mention took some Mahome magic by Book at the end just to get it to OT.

Going to bet the money goes to Clemson even with the current line, and it'll creep up even more.

This has been discussed ad nauseum but you can also see the flip side. We left a bunch of points on the field and could have beaten them soundly with better red zone efficiency. I just don't think this version of Clemson is double digits better than ND, even with TLaw, Skalski, and T Davis.

 

[Irishize]

My point is both games could get out of hand and get ugly for ND, we might go from having the best season ever to two crushing defeats in the space of a few weeks

ND should at least compete w/ Clemson. That said, another embarrassment in the CFP/BCS NC will push the narrative that ND never deserves another bid narrative even further. Fair or not, you know the CFP committee considers this stuff b/c that’s the main reason tOSU will get the benefit of the doubt and get a bid this season regardless of not having an impressive win or a full schedule. Even though this Buckeyes team has lost players from last season’s CFP team, they’re getting the benefit of the doubt b/c, like it or not; they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt with the media, non-Buckeye fans & the CFP.

 

[irish4ever]

JOK & Hamilton would start on the other three teams IMO.

I stand by what I’ve said from the beginning....if ND isn’t competitive they don’t deserve a CFP bid b/c Bama will do to them what they did in 2012. A regular season matchup vs Bama is far more navigable than a playoff matchup IMO.

ND is getting zero sympathy for disruption across their vaunted OL due to season ending injury to Patterson & Kraemer/Correll/Lugg being banged up. If ND gets beat handily, don’t expect that excuse to work after the fact either. Notre Dame has to be buttoned up. None of that “it wasn’t their day” BS. Zero excuses b/c if Clemson controls the game throughout, the narrative (whether we like it or not) will be that ND won the 1st game b/c TL & 3/4 of the defense were out or banged up. I swear as each week has passed since ND won, Clemson fans have claimed they lost an additional starter on defense going into that game.

That's what I was thinking ... JOK and Hamilton for certain!

 

[Irishize]

This has been discussed ad nauseum but you can also see the flip side. We left a bunch of points on the field and could have beaten them soundly with better red zone efficiency. I just don't think this version of Clemson is double digits better than ND, even with TLaw, Skalski, and T Davis.

If ND had their starting OL intact, I could agree with you but no one can deny that the OL struggled to get push in the UNC & SU games. Most Irish fans throw out the SU game due to Senior Day, the Orange’s record & looking ahead. That’s fine, but the UNC game was not a trap game. They were prepared for that and so was the UNC defense who had looked like trash the entire season as they struggled to get off the field. I believe if the OL had been intact, that unit would’ve pushed UNC around early & often vs relying on wearing them down over four quarters.

So now the OL has their center out for the biggest game of the year & the opponent has their stud DT back healthy who will now go up against a newcomer at center for the Irish. Not only does Correll (or Lugg) have to fend off Tyler Davis, they have to consider the blitzing LBs...the best of which is another key defender who didn’t play in the first game in Skalski.

It was pretty unanimous that ND won the first game b/c they dominated the trenches and most agree that is where the games are won. Now ND is at a deficit on their OL whereas Clemson is more improved. That’s the key to the game and likely where the spread comes from.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

What killed ND in the 2018 playoff matchup was Clemson's DLine. This Clemson Dline is nowhere near that talented. We could still struggle to run the ball but I'd bet our Oline is still able to get some push and create holes. If we control the ball we can and should win the rematch. Our defense will give up some points but we have already shown we can take away Etienne. Assuredly Lawrence will be more of a running threat than DJ last game.

All that said, if the game script gets away from ND it could get ugly. We don't really have the make up to play catch up.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Pretty much your reputation at this point IMO so no need for the disclaimer...lol

This OLine could start for any team across the county. Mayer could start anywhere. Williams would be a fine rotational back for any of the mentioned above. Kyle Hamilton and JOK are two of the best defensive players in the country. so, I just named....about 7-10 guys who could start or be in a heavy rotation at Bama, Clemson, tOSU, etc. (5 OL, Williams, Mayer, KH and JOK).

Apparently you weren't on the board leading up to Nov. 03? Plenty of people believed we had a shot to beat Clemson, even if you didnt and still don't.

Go ahead and be pessimistic, you have that right. But if you can't believe we have a shot to beat Clemson after this 10-0 run, especially the way the boys played in November, I don't know what to tell you and I feel sorry for your outlook as a fan.

Actually been on the board for many years. You can think what you want. Really dont care either way. No I wouldnt bet any more than a coke that ND will win either of those games. If you want to, go ahead. Doesnt make me a bad fan. It makes you haphazard and foolish when both teams talent on the teams are greater than NDs.

That doesnt say ND isnt a very good team. ND recruiting just hasnt been where those teams have been. Anyone can see that. Or should be able to.

As I said, I dont think ND will win either game. Hopefully Im wrong. But if Im not, which any realistic better would agree with me, hence the lines, then I hope ND keeps it respectable.

If that hurts your feelings...