Dec 19 | ACC Championship | Clemson

[Luckylucci]

Tyler Davis been ballin at DT since he got back for Clemson

He's a very good player and will be a big advantage for them in this game compared to last but I don't know if I'd call the last 2 games ballin. I can't say I've seen full games and graded how he played or anything like that but over 2 games he has 2 tackles, 1 TFL, and 1 sack. Don't get me wrong, those are good. But for comparison, the 2 games before the injury he had 4 tackles, 2.5 TFL's, and 1 sack. So his production is notably down over these last two games.

 

[NorthDakota]

He's a very good player and will be a big advantage for them in this game compared to last but I don't know if I'd call the last 2 games ballin. I can't say I've seen full games and graded how he played or anything like that but over 2 games he has 2 tackles, 1 TFL, and 1 sack. Don't get me wrong, those are good. But for comparison, the 2 games before the injury he had 4 tackles, 2.5 TFL's, and 1 sack. So his production is notably down over these last two games.

I hope Tommy dials up some plays to go after the guys who missed Round 1 early on to let them know whats up

 

[IrishLion]

Dabo just put Ohio State on blast. He said they're good enough to win the whole thing but that they don't deserve to be in playing a 6 game schedule. Said they had the opportunity to play a real schedule but chose not to and that's their fault. Said that the only reason we have CFB at all is because of the leadership of the ACC, SEC, and Big 12.

He implied strongly that the SEC and ACC should both get two teams in and that nothing that happens in the championship games should be held against the participants who have played 10+ games.

I bet the ACC agrees... officiating is going to be friendly to Clemson until they can get a two-score lead, and then officiating will be friendly in whatever way it needs to be to ensure that Clemson wins by a 10-points-or-less margin*.




*But only IF you're into conspiracy theories about college football and conference officiating

 

[T-Boone]

The loser of the ACC game and SEC game should play off then the winner play the winner of OSU v PAC winner then the winner of that should be the something something something

 

[nsisk157]

The loser of the ACC game and SEC game should play off then the winner play the winner of OSU v PAC winner then the winner of that should be the something something something

But if Clemson loses, they get rewarded for a second crack at getting into the playoff?

I'd rather see Cincy get a run at it in that case.

 

[T-Boone]

But if Clemson loses, they get rewarded for a second crack at getting into the playoff?

I'd rather see Cincy get a run at it in that case.

True - good point, OSU should have to play Cincy and the winner of the pac.

 

[ThePiombino]

Dabo just put Ohio State on blast. He said they're good enough to win the whole thing but that they don't deserve to be in playing a 6 game schedule. Said they had the opportunity to play a real schedule but chose not to and that's their fault. Said that the only reason we have CFB at all is because of the leadership of the ACC, SEC, and Big 12.

He implied strongly that the SEC and ACC should both get two teams in and that nothing that happens in the championship games should be held against the participants who have played 10+ games.

He's not wrong, but am I the only one who thinks that doesn't sound like a man who expects to win the ACCCG?

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[Irish YJ]

He's not wrong, but am I the only one who thinks that doesn't sound like a man who expects to win the ACCCG?

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I think he's just being honest. The fact he's tossing the SEC in there suggests to me it's more about him being averse to the BS short schedule the other conferences have played. Games take tolls on the health of a team, not to mention the added covid impacts from bubble like living for all the those weeks. I'm pretty torn to be honest on whether the Big10 and PAC should have been included since the beginning of all this. It's good for football and fans that they are, but it's not really fair to the schools and players who have played a full season under these conditions.

But I do agree, I doubt he's assuming they'll win a ACC-C. But I don't think Dabo is a guy who would assume that even in a non-covid, or non ND-in-the-ACC situation.

 

[ulukinatme]

Man I tell you, I would absolutely love ND to win. Love it.

I grew up in Indiana listening to the ND fight song every morning of weightlifting in high school. I went to college in north Indiana. Ive never stopped loving ND.

I spent 13 years in Baton Rouge, LA after leaving college and that isnt a fun place to be a yankee team fan in. But I did. Been here in Birmingham, AL for the last ten years. Do I need to state at all how fun 2012 was getting crushed by Bama while living here?

So Ive paid my dues and Im still all in. Not feeling real confident against two of the biggest firepowers the last decade doesnt make me a bad fan. Ive shared quite a few letdowns right along with you guys for many, many years now.

I hear ya. The night in 2012 when both Oregon and KSU lost to move us up to #1 everyone was like "We did it!" and I was like "Noooo!" People kept saying they wanted Bama, but they had no idea how far the talent gap was at the time, in addition to the coaching gap. We've made progress in both areas since, and probably will never fully meet them while Saban is there, but I think we're at least capable of an upset and can stand toe to toe with them after our last two meetings with Clemson (The last playoff game wasn't great, but if it weren't for a few untimely injuries in the 2nd quarter we would have kept it close against the Tigers. That's when they scored all their points).

I've been in that boat with you though. My first game ever at ND stadium was the '93 BC game. Talk about bad luck! This season has been cathartic for me after we knocked off #1 Clemson, felt like that '93 monkey is off my back and the team's. I kept expecting another BC to come along and upset us. I was there for the '05 Bush Push. I was there for Davie in 2000 playing for overtime against #1 Nebraska. I came back after two rain delays for USF in 2011. I've seen some great games too though that keep hope alive. The comeback against UCLA in 2006, the improbable win against Utah in 2010, Michigan in 2012, 2014, and every home win the last 20 years.

Bottom line, anything can happen in college football. We're closer now to being a complete team than at any point we've been since the early 90s. Is there still the talent gap with the football power houses? Yeah, and probably always will be, I agree with you there. It's a good time to be an Irish fan though, if this team stays motivated, the coaches stay smart, I truly think we have some chances to do great things. If not, look on the bright side...living in Baton Rouge we're at least 2-0 against LSU for the last decade

 

[Irishize]

I hear ya. The night in 2012 when both Oregon and KSU lost to move us up to #1 everyone was like "We did it!" and I was like "Noooo!" People kept saying they wanted Bama, but they had no idea how far the talent gap was at the time, in addition to the coaching gap. We've made progress in both areas since, and probably will never fully meet them while Saban is there, but I think we're at least capable of an upset and can stand toe to toe with them after our last two meetings with Clemson (The last playoff game wasn't great, but if it weren't for a few untimely injuries in the 2nd quarter we would have kept it close against the Tigers. That's when they scored all their points).

I've been in that boat with you though. My first game ever at ND stadium was the '93 BC game. Talk about bad luck! This season has been cathartic for me after we knocked off #1 Clemson, felt like that '93 monkey is off my back and the team's. I kept expecting another BC to come along and upset us. I was there for the '05 Bush Push. I was there for Davie in 2000 playing for overtime against #1 Nebraska. I came back after two rain delays for USF in 2011. I've seen some great games too though that keep hope alive. The comeback against UCLA in 2006, the improbable win against Utah in 2010, Michigan in 2012, 2014, and every home win the last 20 years.

Bottom line, anything can happen in college football. We're closer now to being a complete team than at any point we've been since the early 90s. Is there still the talent gap with the football power houses? Yeah, and probably always will be, I agree with you there. It's a good time to be an Irish fan though, if this team stays motivated, the coaches stay smart, I truly think we have some chances to do great things. If not, look on the bright side...living in Baton Rouge we're at least 2-0 against LSU for the last decade

I felt the same way in 2012. I was at the WF game and watching the other two games at Legends on campus after ND won. While it was exciting initially realizing ND could light up the #1 sign, the reality hit that instead of playing Oregon or KSU, ND now had to face Bama.

I don’t want 2020 to be remembered that way. ND finally knocks of #1 Clemson but then gets beat by multiple scores in the rematch and embarrassed again by Bama in the CFP. If ND beats Clemson or loses a close one, I can live w/ what happens in the CFP b/c they would have earned it.

 

[ulukinatme]

I felt the same way in 2012. I was at the WF game and watching the other two games at Legends on campus after ND won. While it was exciting initially realizing ND could light up the #1 sign, the reality hit that instead of playing Oregon or KSU, ND now had to face Bama.

I don’t want 2020 to be remembered that way. ND finally knocks of #1 Clemson but then gets beat by multiple scores in the rematch and embarrassed again by Bama in the CFP. If ND beats Clemson or loses a close one, I can live w/ what happens in the CFP b/c they would have earned it.

Man...if just KSU or Oregon could have won out. We would have been favored in both, we matched up really well against those teams. KSU was a paper tiger, and Oregon always folds to physical teams that play stingy defense. Would have had that 2012 championship in those circumstances.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I absolutely love that Vegas is so sick and tired of getting their teeth kicked in by the public betting against ND in “championship” style games that they made this a10.5ish opening line. As you know by my BK>LH post, I can be a tad bullish, but this squad is different. I just get a different vibe from them. Eff the hidden shoebox, throw your 401k on ND +10.5. They aren’t going to lose.

*Fortunately, my 401k is still available. SMH. (Start of 4th Q on Dec 19)

 

[ulukinatme]

I absolutely love that Vegas is so sick and tired of getting their teeth kicked in by the public betting against ND in “championship” style games that they made this a10.5ish opening line. As you know by my BK>LH post, I can be a tad bullish, but this squad is different. I just get a different vibe from them. Eff the hidden shoebox, throw your 401k on ND +10.5. They aren’t going to lose.

Whoh...I'm positive, but I'm not ruling out a Clemson in 2020 with Lawrence at QB! I'll keep the 401k where it is lol. The most dangerous animal is one that is cornered, and Clemson has to win if they want in the playoffs.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I hope like hell you are right. Lugg is a tackle > guard > center in that order so it’s his 3rd best position. As a fan w/o insight, I’d prefer Correll b/c he’s been training at center. He’s undersized but if he can get healthy enough to where his ankle is not an issue, then he should be able to hold his own w/ Banks & Kraemer flanking him.

I get frustrated when Prister & Sampson basically dismiss the chance of ND getting blown out and are assuming regardless what happens that ND is in the CFP. Both of those guys have been the absolute worst in predicting games this season. The always underestimate the opponent despite the opponent having the “worst defense in the nation”. They never learn.

I’m almost certain I heard BK state in a few recent interviews Lugg is THE sixth man. It sounds to me like BK prefers the experience of Lugg over what his natural position is. I don’t think it’s a knock on Correll just BK wanting the experience.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I hope like hell you are right. Lugg is a tackle > guard > center in that order so it’s his 3rd best position. As a fan w/o insight, I’d prefer Correll b/c he’s been training at center. He’s undersized but if he can get healthy enough to where his ankle is not an issue, then he should be able to hold his own w/ Banks & Kraemer flanking him.

I get frustrated when Prister & Sampson basically dismiss the chance of ND getting blown out and are assuming regardless what happens that ND is in the CFP. Both of those guys have been the absolute worst in predicting games this season. The always underestimate the opponent despite the opponent having the “worst defense in the nation”. They never learn.

I don't get why you're frustrated by that. Most experts assume that this game is going to be close, because ND is that good of a team.

Yeah, maybe Lawrence makes a difference and gives Clemson the edge, but I think a majority are expecting this game to be at least moderately close.

It's not like Prister and Sampson are the only ones who are anticipating this game is close and that both teams are likely in.

This team has proven they are not going to be outworked in the trenches. They've done it every single week, and when you do that, you always have a chance in every game.

 

[Irishize]

I don't get why you're frustrated by that. Most experts assume that this game is going to be close, because ND is that good of a team.

Yeah, maybe Lawrence makes a difference and gives Clemson the edge, but I think a majority are expecting this game to be at least moderately close.

It's not like Prister and Sampson are the only ones who are anticipating this game is close and that both teams are likely in.

This team has proven they are not going to be outworked in the trenches. They've done it every single week, and when you do that, you always have a chance in every game.

Probably b/c I listen to too many podcasts...LOL. Sampson & Prister went “all in” on a lot of opponents this year telling us how horrible they were and that the game wouldn’t be close, “name your score”, etc. So while I favored ND to win those games, hearing over & over how bad the opponents were got me thinking “maybe I’m being too cautious regarding my Irish. After all, these guys are paid to report on the teams & have much better insight....ND should roll”

That rarely played out but luckily ND still won by big margins b/c you’re correct...ND is a good team. But when those two are so confident that ND will keep it close enough to objectively deserve a CFP slot, pardon me if I don’t take their feedback as objectively as I do others. And I get it, they don’t really claim to be betting experts, etc & they’re both fans (Prister is an alum; Sampson married to an alum) who may be too close to be truly objective.

Finally, I just think ND’s disruptions along the OL due to injury combined w/ Clemson getting key starters healthy is a pretty big deal. To assume the OL will perform as equally effective pre-Patterson injury is going out on a limb. Prister just posted an article detailing Correll & Lugg still struggling to get healthy. Lugg also injured his hand in the last game. X-rays were negative thankfully but it’s one more injury he has to deal with moving forward.

 

[irishtrain]

All things point to Clemson with their marquis man back-you know me always saying Irish have no chance-something keeps telling me Notre Dame will win this game. I'm picking the Irish.

 

[tussin]

Bottom line, anything can happen in college football. We're closer now to being a complete team than at any point we've been since the early 90s. Is there still the talent gap with the football power houses? Yeah, and probably always will be, I agree with you there. It's a good time to be an Irish fan though, if this team stays motivated, the coaches stay smart, I truly think we have some chances to do great things. If not, look on the bright side...living in Baton Rouge we're at least 2-0 against LSU for the last decade

Big picture, we are one of the powerhouses. Longest win streak in football, win over #1, excellent coaching staff, extremely talented on both sides of the ball. We don't need a natty to enjoy this moment in ND football and recognize our place in the sport.

 

[Irish#1]

Nope just dealing with a pretty glaring fact that ND no longer has their Joe Moore Award worthy OL intact yet Clemson has improved their front seven by nature of simply getting their better players healthy.

Kramer is back. Patterson is a loss but we’ll be fine at C.

 

[GATTACA!]

Dabo just put Ohio State on blast. He said they're good enough to win the whole thing but that they don't deserve to be in playing a 6 game schedule. Said they had the opportunity to play a real schedule but chose not to and that's their fault. Said that the only reason we have CFB at all is because of the leadership of the ACC, SEC, and Big 12.

He implied strongly that the SEC and ACC should both get two teams in and that nothing that happens in the championship games should be held against the participants who have played 10+ games.

How fucked up would it be for us to beat Clemson. Win round 1 vs TAMU, Clemson beats Bama, then we lose to Clemson in the championship game. Losing the title to a team you already beat twice.

 

[phillyirish]

How fucked up would it be for us to beat Clemson. Win round 1 vs TAMU, Clemson beats Bama, then we lose to Clemson in the championship game. Losing the title to a team you already beat twice.

Maybe we would still be #1 in the AP poll lol. I’d take a split national championship.

 

[Irishize]

Kramer is back. Patterson is a loss but we’ll be fine at C.

We may be fine at center. High ankle sprains are not quickly resolved so Correll is no guarantee to be 100%. Lugg is battling a bad back and now a hand...plus center is his third best position and he struggled w/ snapping in the SU game. And finally, OL is unique in that it has to perform as a unit....like five fingers on a hand. I just don’t think ND can afford anything to be at a deficit from the last game. Hope they get one of those guys healthy w/ plenty of practice reps.

 

[texbender]

Current forecast calling for high around 50, 20% chance of rain.

 

[ulukinatme]

Current forecast calling for high around 50, 20% chance of rain.

I would like 0%, please and thanks.

 

[rtrn2glory]

can it just be Saturday right now?? this is going to be the longest work week ever!

 

[Dizzyphil]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly Updates Notre Dame Injury Report Heading into ACC Title Game <a href="https://t.co/EaT0eVQQqH">https://t.co/EaT0eVQQqH</a></p>— UHND.com (@uhnd) <a href="https://twitter.com/uhnd/status/1338496667675480064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Irish YJ]

ESPN talking now about ND.
Mentioned Kramer being back.

 

[RDU Irish]

ESPN talking now about ND.
Mentioned Kramer being back.

That gives me warm and fuzzies. ND OL vs Clemson DL is my #1 anxiety point.

 

[Irish YJ]

That gives me warm and fuzzies. ND OL vs Clemson DL is my #1 anxiety point.

#2 for me.

TL vs our DBs has taken over #1.

I know they put up a butt load of passing yards against us last time, but there was a lot of hollow yards/drives. My fear is TL puts up the same amount of yards, but those yards are more meaningful.

Hope I'm wrong. We really need some more turnover luck this game again.

 

[notredomer23]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Injury news: Joseph Ngata will not be back for ACC championship. Frank Ladson has practiced this week. Lannden Zanders and Andrew Booth are "progressing well, and we definitely feel good about where they are."</p>— Grace Raynor (@gmraynor) <a href="https://twitter.com/gmraynor/status/1339275995694551045?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>