Dec 19 | ACC Championship | Clemson

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jake Venables will have surgery tomorrow, Dabo Swinney says. Expects him to be out for the ACC championship. Will need a plate in his arm.</p>— Grace Raynor (@gmraynor) <a href="https://twitter.com/gmraynor/status/1336058267861213184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Broken arm that he won't be able to easily cast and play.

Skalski was 5 weeks out of surgery and only lasted the first series before shutting it down. Title game will be 7 weeks post sports hernia surgery. We all saw how that limited Tuitt all of 2013. If he does play, he will not be the same.
 

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I feel like we haven't talk about that moment enough. It was one of the most surreal things I've ever seen happen in a college or NFL game... I have never seen a coach actually talk a ref out of a flag. Never. Had we ended up losing that game in OT, I think it would've been a much bigger moment but because we won it's "meh".

IIRC Dungy also said he’d never seen that before
 

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That is a good point as well. Had they just rolled thru SU w/ the same stout run defense we’ve enjoyed all season & an offense the ran at will, they may go into the bye week complacent. There should be plenty of teaching moments on film as that was likely the defense’s worst game of the season & the OL is struggling to gel w/ new starters who are also battling injury.


This is what I was saying in the 1st half.
 

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My recollection is that they blew the coverage and the DB jammed him grabbing a fistful of CJ's jersey.

That’s what happened. Probably watched it 100 times and it pissed me off every time. Should have been defensive holding not offensive PI.
 

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In the week after I thought to myself, if we had lost that game, would mainstream sports media be talking about that play. And, if so, what would the reaction be. It's was blatant and if I was ND and Kelly, I'd have sent that to the ACC and followed up on it.

The last time I remember a coach so blatantly challenging the refs and then the refs changing the game was Coach K in the 2015 NCG versus Wiscy. At halftime, he pulled the refs together, on the court, and yelled at them for a few/several minutes. For whatever reason they just stood there as if they had to listen. The refs called 13 fouls on Wiscy in the second half, to only 2 before half. Gross.

While I have no inside knowledge, I would be willing to bet BK brought this to the ACC offices attention. I would also imagine that BK will bring this to the officials attention prior to kickoff.
 

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Free article from Driskell:

Notre Dame vs Clemson: A Tale Of Two Narratives
There were two narratives coming out of the Notre Dame vs Clemson game, but neither will matter on Dec. 19
BRYAN DRISKELL6 HOURS AGO
The lead up to the Notre Dame vs. Clemson rematch is going to focus on two competing narratives, at least when looking at how the two fanbases describe how the first game went. Notre Dame won that game in double overtime, besting the Tigers by a 47-40 score.

CLEMSON NARRATIVE

“Of course Notre Dame won, Clemson didn’t have Trevor Lawrence” is the cry you hear coming out of the state of South Carolina. “Oh and we didn’t have our three best defensive players, so of course Notre Dame moved the ball.”

And Clemson couldn’t run D.J. Uiagalelei because he had an injured shoulder, and he made freshman mistakes that negate the yards he threw for.

Notre Dame won’t run on Clemson in the title game like they did on Nov. 7 because Davis, Skalski and Jones are back.

NOTRE DAME NARRATIVE

“No way Trevor Lawrence could play better than D.J. Uiagalelei, I mean, the guy threw for 439 yards!” Is what you hear from a lot of Notre Dame fans.

And Notre Dame wins by three touchdowns if they don’t fumble the ball into the end zone and have two self-inflicted red zone wounds that stopped the Irish from scoring touchdowns. And don’t even get me started on the poor clock management at the end of the second quarter.

THE TRUTH LIES IN THE MiDDLE

In a way, both sides are speaking the truth … or at least a partial truth.

Clemson fans are correct in that Lawrence, the nation’s most talented and distinguished quarterback, did not play in that game, and that certainly matteres. Not having defensive tackle Tyler Davis, or linebackers James Skalski and Mike Jones, also had an impact.

Notre Dame could very well have won the game in far more convincing fashion had it not fumbled a ball into the end zone in the third quarter, or missed on two more touchdown opportunities due to a dropped pass at the goal line and a false start that negated what would have been a touchdown run. Those mistakes were self-inflicted wounds, not necessarily plays the Clemson defense made.


Irish fans are also right that Uiagalelei threw for a lot of yards and made some big time throws in that game. Clemson fans are correct in that Lawrence might have thrown for even more yards, or perhaps he would have been more clutch, or more efficient had he thrown for fewer yards. I, for one, have a hard time believing Lawrence takes that first sack in the second overtime.

Lawrence playing might have impacted the run game as well, although Clemsons struggled to run against Pittsburgh with Lawrence, and it wasn’t very good running on Syracuse with Lawrence either.

But all of this is conjecture in that no one really knows how that game would have played out if things were different. It’s not as simple to say, “If this happens then the result would be this other thing.”

If Lawrence plays, maybe the offense is even better, and plays as well in the first half as it did in the second half. Perhaps Lawrence would have made more mistakes than usual against the vaunted Irish defense. Both are just as plausible and unprovable.

Maybe Notre Dame has a different game plan when facing Lawrence, on both sides of the ball. Perhaps with Lawrence at quarterback the Irish offense would have gone or the jugular in the third quarter if they knew Lawrence was on the other side of the field. Perhaps the Irish defense would have been more aggressive against Clemson, knowing it couldn’t let Lawrence take over.

Notre Dame had a lot of success throwing the ball on Clemson, and perhaps the Irish have a more pass oriented game plan if Davis, Skalski and Jones were playing. That’s just as much of a guess as saying what Clemson would have done had Lawrence played.


Here is what we do know for a fact. Clemson will be “healthier” against Notre Dame, and if the Tigers win I highly doubt their fans will say, “Hey, Notre Dame wasn’t the same team because their offensive line wasn’t 100%.”

We also know that Notre Dame has played with even greater confidence because of that win over Clemson, and that isn’t going away because Lawrence played. Clemson will also be confident knowing they have their leader.

Clemson will be hungry, and Notre Dame will be confident, but neither will ultimately determine the outcome. This game will be determined by which lines play the best, which teams playmakers make the most clutch plays, which coaching staff makes the most adjustments based on the last game, and makes the most adjustments in game.

Oh, and which quarterback can best put his team on his shoulders, and which defense plays championship football.

There will be no more excuses, for either team.
 

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Free article from Driskell:

Thanks for posting.

What worries me is that as well as the Freshmen QB played, there were a few times I can recall him being late on reads on key 3rd down conversions that kept them from extending drives. Lawrence's experience will not let him be late on those throws. Hopefully the D Line can get pressure with 4 and the secondary can survive enough to get off the field enough like we did in early November.
 

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https://www.wyff4.com/article/5240-fans-allowed-at-acc-championship-game/34918270

CLEMSON, S.C. —
The Atlantic Coast Conference says it will allow limited fans to attend its football championship game between No. 2 Notre Dame and No. 3 Clemson on Dec. 19.

The state of North Carolina previously issued public-gathering restrictions for outdoor venues because of the coronavirus pandemic, allowing schools to fill 7% of their stadium capacity for fans. Following that guidance, the ACC said Wednesday that capacity would be set at 5,240 for Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte.

The league says fans and staff must wear masks in the stadium and follow social-distancing markers displayed throughout the stadium.
 

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My biggest concern is Trevor Lawrence running the ball. Uiagalelei didn't leave the pocket at all. Supposedly Clemson was very concerned about his non-throwing shoulder and didn't want him taking a hit so they didn't call any designed runs for him. Even though TL isn't super fast, he is very effective the 6-8 times he runs the ball per game. If the ND defense sells out to stop Etienne again, TL could hurt us with his legs.

On the plus side, I still think that Clemson defense is not as good as they normally are and I feel confident in ND being able to put up points on them. Should be another close game.

Actually DJ is supposed to be a better runner than TL...we just shut him down as well with 13 rushes for 2 yards.

It is the designed runs that I am very concerned about. They didn't run any for DJ, they will run them with TL.
 

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It is the designed runs that I am very concerned about. They didn't run any for DJ, they will run them with TL.

We'll blow his ass up if they do that. I'm not too concerned about this. I'll prolly eat my words
 

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We'll blow his ass up if they do that. I'm not too concerned about this. I'll prolly eat my words

I hope you're right. It's my biggest concern for their offense. The QB designed runs are a big part of what they do and it wasn't even an option the first game.

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We'll blow his ass up if they do that. I'm not too concerned about this. I'll prolly eat my words

I can envision the read option going something like this - Ade gobbling up Etienne while JOK shoots out of his cannon to blow up Lawrence simultaneously.
 

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I hope you're right. It's my biggest concern for their offense. The QB designed runs are a big part of what they do and it wasn't even an option the first game.

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Yes, they need the threat of Lawrence running to open it up for Etienne. Asking the ND defense to shut down #9 a second time is an impossible request. But if they can contain him, it should be a win for ND.
 

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This is has to be the game we've been saving the Avery Davis jet sweep pass for right?

I think the jet sweeps have been a challenge to pull off this year due to the success they had with it last year when Avery & Lenzy ran it. I like the fake jet sweep to get the defense to respond. Who knows? Rees has a big challenge in his second chess match w/ Venables.
 

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Watching highlights from Clemson’s other games & that TE Allen(?) is always good for one big chunk play. He’s the one that scored in the first half.

They like to hit him on a seam route & it seems to always be open. Their OC, Tony Elliott; claims Allen is his favorite player on offense.
 

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WAY more worried about the healthy defense that's coming to Charlotte than the Trigger Man.

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I'm even more worried about the "advantage" that this is a win or go home for Clemson...Dabo and Co will be fired the heck up.

Which would make an ND win even more amazing, seeing them crushed. Lol
 

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Thanks for posting.

What worries me is that as well as the Freshmen QB played, there were a few times I can recall him being late on reads on key 3rd down conversions that kept them from extending drives. Lawrence's experience will not let him be late on those throws. Hopefully the D Line can get pressure with 4 and the secondary can survive enough to get off the field enough like we did in early November.

There's no doubt about that, but to Driskell's point, ND fans can point to leaving as many as 15 points EASY on the field between the two field goals at the goal line and the Ian Book fumble at the goal line. You can't compare what happened in that game to what might happen on the 19th.

More than likely, as CBK alluded to during his press conference, we are going to see a much lower scoring game in the rematch. Lawrence or not, the defenses usually have the upper hand in a rematch since they learn a lot of tendencies from the offense. Sure, both sides might throw in some wrinkles, but I doubt you're going to see BK or Dabo try to out scheme the other for four quarters. Both sides will stick with their bread and butter for the most part, with a few wrinkles here and there. I don't think we will see a 47-40 OT thriller again. first team to 30 more than likely has the advantage IMO.
 

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This podcast dropped last evening after the CFP was announced. It’s Andy Staples & Ari Wasserman debating on the CFP contenders and playing out various scenarios.

Staples is one of my favorites b/c he’s as close to realistic and fair-minded as I have read/heard. He believes in ND and expects a competitive rematch. Wasserman was on the tOSU beat for awhile so his judgement clearly clouded although he does his best to back off that point. You can tell he’s not sold on ND though. Give it a listen...it’s good.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...helps-ohio-state/id1477536795?i=1000501794613
 

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This podcast dropped last evening after the CFP was announced. It’s Andy Staples & Ari Wasserman debating on the CFP contenders and playing out various scenarios.

Staples is one of my favorites b/c he’s as close to realistic and fair-minded as I have read/heard. He believes in ND and expects a competitive rematch. Wasserman was on the tOSU beat for awhile so his judgement clearly clouded although he does his best to back off that point. You can tell he’s not sold on ND though. Give it a listen...it’s good.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...helps-ohio-state/id1477536795?i=1000501794613

Love that the "pundits" still have their doubts about this team, feed that fire, baby. The boys have had a chip on their shoulder all year.

Not many believed we could beat Clemson in Nov., and how many games were "trap games" for us this year? I distinctly recall both Boston College (let down) and UNC (that 'potent' offense) were upset alert specials all over the media leading up. Pitt also comes to mind. Just a few more notches in the belt to go.
 

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I’m more nervous about this game than the NC game, the Cotton Bowl, and the other Clemson game. We win this the year was successful everything else would be sprinkles and a cherry on top (every swinging dick will claim because of Covid there should be an asterisk next to the natty winner) this is the one thing that no one can dispute this is the one championship we can win this year than no one can say is illegitimate. We win this we do something truly extraordinary for this program. I need a beer already.
 

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I’m more nervous about this game than the NC game, the Cotton Bowl, and the other Clemson game. We win this the year was successful everything else would be sprinkles and a cherry on top (every swinging dick will claim because of Covid there should be an asterisk next to the natty winner) this is the one thing that no one can dispute this is the one championship we can win this year than no one can say is illegitimate. We win this we do something truly extraordinary for this program. I need a beer already.

Haters gonna hate.
 
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