Crazy, Koolaid statements

[pumpdog20]

Statement:

Offense will be better than the defense this year.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I am pretty sure I remember Barrett Jones saying after 45 days of film and practice they knew what we were doing when we lined up. I know they had great talent, but they schemed the crap out of us for that game and physically beat us as well. Methinks that's why BK&Co. were with the Patriots this summer (trying to hide tendencies or add wrinkles).

I watched a good film on Alabama's secondary last year and they showed how the secondary shifted/adjusted an average of 2-3 times prior to each snap based on what opposing team/QB was doing in their sets with checks.

They definitely have talent, but scheming is top notch in college football. I will give Saban all the credit in the world for that.

I agree 100% and I think it was a good lesson for BK. However, I do think ND was limited in a variety of ways and was "predictable" due to these issues.

 

[RDU Irish]

Statement
Rees will have more passing yards and touchdowns than Johnny Football....

Given the odds of JF being flagged for being pimped by Uncle Nate, not the most ridiculous statement.

 

[RDU Irish]

I am pretty sure I remember Barrett Jones saying after 45 days of film and practice they knew what we were doing when we lined up. I know they had great talent, but they schemed the crap out of us for that game and physically beat us as well. Methinks that's why BK&Co. were with the Patriots this summer (trying to hide tendencies or add wrinkles).

I watched a good film on Alabama's secondary last year and they showed how the secondary shifted/adjusted an average of 2-3 times prior to each snap based on what opposing team/QB was doing in their sets with checks.

They definitely have talent, but scheming is top notch in college football. I will give Saban all the credit in the world for that.

Being prepared can sure make you look faster and stronger. We excuse T'eo's 40 time saying his instincts are more worth a tenth or two off that forty and then say Bama is faster and stronger when they know where we are going before we do?

Now also consider our defensive QB had his head up his rear for the month leading up to the NCG. Don't tell me an undistracted T'eo would have played just like the one we saw.

 

[IrishLion]

Statement:

Offense will be better than the defense this year.

I don't think that's crazy-koolaid, but it is a bold prediction. However, it is very possible as well. Tommy may not make the "wow" plays like EG could, but it is a perfect storm situation where a relatively unproven receiving corps will need opportunities to be spread around as there is no Floyd or Eifert to bank on. TJ and DD are going to be a solid (maybe even spectacular, if the NCG was any indication) 1 and 2, but replacing a presence like Eifert requires more than that. I think, more than we've seen yet at ND, BK is going to let the WRs run wild. This means not only reps for the top 2/3 WRs, but plenty for the 4th, 5th, 6th and maybe even 7th guys depending on health/production/situation.

For example, Prosise gets the first crack at the slot position, he benefits from Tommy being a veteran QB that finally learns to go through his whole progression. He catches a few balls, gains confidence, and suddenly becomes a force in the slot... WR hands with a power RB body.

Next you have Chris Brown, who is going to get plenty of reps to (1) blow the top off the defense on the occasional PA pass if Tommy can muster the arm strength consistently and (2) prove that he can be an every-down threat.

Then you have Niklas/Koyack/Welch at TE, who will still have plenty of targets from Tommy as safety valves in certain situations and as primary targets in the redzone... or, if anything, they at least get a shot to be the "Next Eifert."

If these first few guys have success, the passing game could become a focus for BK like was at UC. Obviously there aren't unlimited reps/receptions to go around, but there would still be more than enough to get guys like Robinson, Onwualu, and the RBs involved.

And if all of the above worked, and Tommy could effectively spread it around, the offense would be much more for the opposition to deal with than the defense simply due to numbers.

 

[RDU Irish]

we will have a top 5 defense, no doubt in my mind. I do not see is possible for our offense to be anywhere close to that.

1) Our schedule and defense is such that we will not be hanging 50+ on half out opponents.

2) If our offense is very good, it will likely be because of a strong run game and long drives, not fast hitting passing attack. That would mean lower scoring relative to other high octane offenses.

3) Our defense is so damn good it is virtually impossible for the offense to be equal, let alone better.


A more reasonable statement, yet still outlandish IMO, would be to say our offense is top 25 at year end. Or we end up with a top 10 run game.

 

[Cackalacky]

I agree 100% and I think it was a good lesson for BK. However, I do think ND was limited in a variety of ways and was "predictable" due to these issues.

We definitely had limitations. Conversely I am so proud of our boys for doing what they did all season. Every game was a lesson and execution in not giving up and finding ways to win. That is character building stuff and the freshmen experienced it in their first year.

Personally and IMO, I remember during Willlingham and Weis eras where there would be a point in certain games where you could just see the switch turn off.

 

[irishpat183]

Sorry....Shembo has done NOTHING to show anyone that he's "elite" yet.

Not saying he can't be...but anyone calling him that now is outta their minds.

The only "elite" talent we have on the entire D side of the ball is Tuitt and Nix. Everyone else is "good" or "average". And we're a great UNIT, and that's what's important

 

[RDU Irish]

Sorry....Shembo has done NOTHING to show anyone that he's "elite" yet.

Not saying he can't be...but anyone calling him that now is outta their minds.

The only "elite" talent we have on the entire D side of the ball is Tuitt and Nix. Everyone else is "good" or "average". And we're a great UNIT, and that's what's important

I think your definition was more like first round talent today, in which case I agree. If you expand it to future NFL draft picks, all seven rounds. How do you feel about it? I know a lot of projection goes into that but isn't that the point of killing a month waiting for the season to start? We have some data to work off of and to say only two people on our line or front seven will be NFL draft picks is equally absurd.

But I agree that Shembo being a first round pick would be a statement worthy of this thread. Shembo is projected a fourth rounder and I see no reason to think his production will be worse this year. If anything it should be better with a more seasoned and skilled line working around him.

 

[irishpat183]

I think your definition was more like first round talent today, in which case I agree. If you expand it to future NFL draft picks, all seven rounds. How do you feel about it? I know a lot of projection goes into that but isn't that the point of killing a month waiting for the season to start? We have some data to work off of and to say only two people on our line or front seven will be NFL draft picks is equally absurd.

But I agree that Shembo being a first round pick would be a statement worthy of this thread. Shembo is projected a fourth rounder and I see no reason to think his production will be worse this year. If anything it should be better with a more seasoned and skilled line working around him.

I can agree there...but even still...You think that Shembo is an "elite" college player right now?

Or anyone else besides Nix and Tuitt for that matter?


Forget the draft, I'm talking elite players. Keep in mind, there are plenty of "elite" CFB players that are NOT NFL prospects (or atleast top NFL prospects)

 

[Golden_Domer]

Shembo will be the next Cliff Avril.

 

[RDU Irish]

10.5 TFL and 7.5 sacks last year, yes.

I'd say more elite for college than pro since he may be a bit under sized for the next level.

I think we have significant discrepancy between our interpretations of "elite". By what I think you defining, I agree. Only two are at that level today and only a few have the realistic potential to be there in the future.

However, when looking at the unit top to bottom, a vast majority have a good chance at being drafted somewhere. I don't see a time in the near future where a starter graduates and goes undrafted off either line, offense or defense.

 

[RDU Irish]

Shembo will be the next Cliff Avril.

I think the 4.51 combine forty helped get him drafted in the third round. Pretty sure Shembo is an inch or two shorter and no way he runs that fast. I don't see Shembo being so overall disruptive as Avril's 2006 stats would suggest.

From Wiki on Avril -
"In 2006 he started all 14 games, the first four at linebacker and last 10 at defensive end and recorded 84 tackles (51 solo, 33 assists) 15.0 tackles-for-loss, six sacks and six pass breakups, two forced fumbles, one fumble recovery and one interception."

 

[woolybug25]

I'd say more elite for college than pro since he may be a bit under sized for the next level.

Elvis Dumervil - 5' 11", 260 lbs

Larry Izzo - 5' 10", 225 lbs

Ray Lewis - 6' 1", 240 lbs

Zach Thomas - 5' 11", 242 lbs

Stephen Tulloch - 5' 11", 240 lbs

All pass rushers at the NFL level...

Prince Shembo - - 6' 1.5", 258 lbs

 

[NDPhilly]

Day has more sacks then Tuitt.

 

[greyhammer90]

Day has more sacks then Tuitt.

I could see this happening only because Tuitt will be double teamed a ton

 

[NDWorld247]

Elvis Dumervil - 5' 11", 260 lbs

Larry Izzo - 5' 10", 225 lbs

Ray Lewis - 6' 1", 240 lbs

Zach Thomas - 5' 11", 242 lbs

Stephen Tulloch - 5' 11", 240 lbs

All pass rushers at the NFL level...

Prince Shembo - - 6' 1.5", 258 lbs

LOL, Larry Izzo? You mean the special teams ace that finished his career with zero sacks? Ray Lewis and Zach Thomas as pass rushers? Geez, Wooly. I agree with your point that Shembo's size isn't a big concern at the next level, but you could have come up with some more reasonable examples than Izzo, Lewis and Thomas.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Elvis Dumervil - 5' 11", 260 lbs

Larry Izzo - 5' 10", 225 lbs

Ray Lewis - 6' 1", 240 lbs
Zach Thomas - 5' 11", 242 lbs

Stephen Tulloch - 5' 11", 240 lbs

All pass rushers at the NFL level...

Prince Shembo - - 6' 1.5", 258 lbs

So Prince will be better than Ray. I like. Pass the Kool Aid. And likely not to get caught up in a murder investigation.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So Prince will be better than Ray. I like. Pass the Kool Aid. And likely not to get caught up in a murder investigation.

Depends on what happens with his bike...

 

[NDPhilly]

No James Harrison comparisons?

 

[NDWorld247]

No James Harrison comparisons?

No way. We only compare our players to HOF players around here.

 

[irishpat183]

10.5 TFL and 7.5 sacks last year, yes.

I'd say more elite for college than pro since he may be a bit under sized for the next level.

I think we have significant discrepancy between our interpretations of "elite". By what I think you defining, I agree. Only two are at that level today and only a few have the realistic potential to be there in the future.

However, when looking at the unit top to bottom, a vast majority have a good chance at being drafted somewhere. I don't see a time in the near future where a starter graduates and goes undrafted off either line, offense or defense.

Dude...3 of those sacks were against horrible BC and he forced zero turnovers.

He's not "elite". He wasn't even in the top 40 in sacks.

Would you say that Phillp Steward and Jamie Collins were "elite"? Both had more sacks, and tackles for loss than Shembo . Steward even had 3 INT's


But...I'm not saying he can't have a huge year and jump up to that level. It's just as of now, he's nothing special. And I don't disagree that we have great talent and potential. But what I'm saying is that if you just take the "eye test"...Nix and Tuitt are the only elite talent on this defense.

 

[irishpat183]

Elvis Dumervil - 5' 11", 260 lbs

Larry Izzo - 5' 10", 225 lbs

Ray Lewis - 6' 1", 240 lbs

Zach Thomas - 5' 11", 242 lbs

Stephen Tulloch - 5' 11", 240 lbs

All pass rushers at the NFL level...

Prince Shembo - - 6' 1.5", 258 lbs

None of those guys were "pass rushers".

 

[irishpat183]

LOL, Larry Izzo? You mean the special teams ace that finished his career with zero sacks? Ray Lewis and Zach Thomas as pass rushers? Geez, Wooly. I agree with your point that Shembo's size isn't a big concern at the next level, but you could have come up with some more reasonable examples than Izzo, Lewis and Thomas.

No ****....Just terrible

 

[woolybug25]

No ****....Just terrible

d!ck


I didn't say that they were all great pass rushers, just that they were pass rushers. At a point in all of their careers they had pass rushing duties. Furthermore, that wasn't even my point. My point was that plenty of guys Shembo's size play in the NFL in front 7's. Some of them are even pretty dang good at it.

 

[woolybug25]

None of those guys were "pass rushers".

Elvis Dumerville isnt a pass rusher? The guy has averaged 10.5 sacks a season in his career and led the league in sacks in '09 with 17 sacks.

 

[irishpat183]

d!ck


I didn't say that they were all great pass rushers, just that they were pass rushers. At a point in all of their careers they had pass rushing duties. Furthermore, that wasn't even my point. My point was that plenty of guys Shembo's size play in the NFL in front 7's. Some of them are even pretty dang good at it.

My name's "PIT" your *** aint diggin your way out.

At no point, in any of their careers, were any of those guys considered or called, Pass rushers.

 

[irishpat183]

Elvis Dumerville isnt a pass rusher? The guy has averaged 10.5 sacks a season in his career and led the league in sacks in '09 with 17 sacks.

Ok, you get dumerville. I missed him at the top. He is a pass rusher. But the rest are not even close

And I still love you

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Calling Larry Izzo a "pass rusher" is its own Kool-Aid statement.

 

[woolybug25]

D@mn it, fellas. I'm sorry, "pass rusher" wasn't even the point of my comment!

Shembo isn't undersized compared to other defensive players in the nfl.

Bunch of commies in here...