Couple of Things.....week 2 edition

[NYMIKE6]

And it does raise questions about Kelly's faith in EG whether people choose to admit that or not.

Faith is irrelevant, experience is what that decision was all about.

 

[irishpat183]

Faith is irrelevant, experience is what that decision was all about.

It's not. If Kelly was confident in EG, he would've finished that game. It has everything to do with how Kelly felt about EG.

 

[IrishLax]

I agree with most everything said.

The ineptitude of Mike Golic Jr. versus NFL caliber players is damn terrifying though. And I doubt it's "correctable." He dominates little guys and gets abused by guys who will play on Sunday. Don't understand how there is such a discrepancy. But it has potential to cost us multiple games.

 

[NYMIKE6]

It's not. If Kelly was confident in EG, he would've finished that game. It has everything to do with how Kelly felt about EG.

I find that hard to believe. Lack of knowledge is what gets a young QB yanked leading into a 2 min. offense.

You have to be able to make the reads also and well, we know Tommy can do that. He just lacks every thing else Golson has, but Golson wasn't going to scramble the length of the field.

I also understand how many guys were injured, but again EG really struggled the previous series or 2.

Another thing that leads me to this is EG inability to run a hurry up offense. Thats why we haven't seen it. and it all comes down to experience.

 

[Walter White]

I agree with most everything said.

The ineptitude of Mike Golic Jr. versus NFL caliber players is damn terrifying though. And I doubt it's "correctable." He dominates little guys and gets abused by guys who will play on Sunday. Don't understand how there is such a discrepancy. But it has potential to cost us multiple games.

Hopefully not. I think the coaches will find a way to game plan around it. That might mean have Lombard give an initial push then bump out or something. The fact of the matter is that we will not face a DT as dominant as Short the rest of the year. Golic definitively needs to step up, but I think we should be fine going forward.

 

[NYMIKE6]

I agree with most everything said.

The ineptitude of Mike Golic Jr. versus NFL caliber players is damn terrifying though. And I doubt it's "correctable." He dominates little guys and gets abused by guys who will play on Sunday. Don't understand how there is such a discrepancy. But it has potential to cost us multiple games.

Agree, at some point you have to look to someone else be it, Hanratty, Martin or Hegarty. Who ever it is has to play with good pad level and also be stout at the point of attack. Guards should no get thrown back or shoved to the side.

 

[RDU Irish]

Why no mention of the hurt hand? I saw a post earlier saying it was bandaged in class today (don't know if it was true or not).

Two minute drill makes sense, add in Golson's inability to grip that well and it's an easier decision to throw Tommy in there and assess Golson's hand for an OT decission if necessary.

Kind of silly to say Golson couldn't go 80 yards when he had 289 yards on the day already.

 

[Buster Bluth]

And that's what I was thinking. And it does raise questions about Kelly's faith in EG whether people choose to admit that or not.

Golson was running a Look Offense. Set up in the given formation, look at the coaches as they analyze the defense, and call the play.

With no timeouts, how do you expect that to work in a two-minute drill? I don't see it as faith, simply knowing that Golson isn't there yet.

I think Kelly should consider using arm bands with plays in it. Why not give him some help?

 

[DSully1995]

Why no mention of the hurt hand? I saw a post earlier saying it was bandaged in class today (don't know if it was true or not).

Two minute drill makes sense, add in Golson's inability to grip that well and it's an easier decision to throw Tommy in there and assess Golson's hand for an OT decission if necessary.

Kind of silly to say Golson couldn't go 80 yards when he had 289 yards on the day already.

And golson is augmented by his ability to run the ball, which isnt an issue for defense with under 2 mins left, just adding that but you robly meant this by saying TMD

 

[IrishSpartan]

I forgot which announcer it was, but they compared EG to a young Charlie Ward. IMO, I see him as a Marcus Vick.

The best comparison ive heard was that VT qb from a couple years ago but when he was a senior when he was more of a pass first qb

 

[NDinFL]

Tyrod Taylor?

 

[IrishSpartan]

Tyrod Taylor?

Yeah in terms of body type, arm strength, and ability to extend plays

 

[Irishbounty28]

It is pretty disappointing to know that Golic was not great this weekend, and then consider how he did against Stanford last year. He is not an all time great guard, and shouldn't be expected to be. I am confident he is starting because he is the best we have. We have a pretty strong stable of offensive lineman, but almost every team has a weakness on the offensive line. The question is though, if teams have the the personnel to exploit that weakness.

Obviously, Navy did not have the capability to win that matchup, but Purdue did. Additionally, because Purdue was stacking the box it made it even more difficult to execute the blocking schemes. Not every team will stack the box. I believe Michigan States feels they have the personnel to matchup with us conservatively, and therefore will not show very many eight man fronts. This, by itself, should mean we will be at least a little bit more successful running the ball.

 

[WaveDomer]

It is pretty disappointing to know that Golic was not great this weekend, and then consider how he did against Stanford last year. He is not an all time great guard, and shouldn't be expected to be. I am confident he is starting because he is the best we have. We have a pretty strong stable of offensive lineman, but almost every team has a weakness on the offensive line. The question is though, if teams have the the personnel to exploit that weakness.

Obviously, Navy did not have the capability to win that matchup, but Purdue did. Additionally, because Purdue was stacking the box it made it even more difficult to execute the blocking schemes. Not every team will stack the box. I believe Michigan States feels they have the personnel to matchup with us conservatively, and therefore will not show very many eight man fronts. This, by itself, should mean we will be at least a little bit more successful running the ball.

Cierre Wood's return will also help, I think, a lot in terms of blocking, getting fresh legs, and executing screens.

 

[irishpat183]

It is pretty disappointing to know that Golic was not great this weekend, and then consider how he did against Stanford last year. He is not an all time great guard, and shouldn't be expected to be. I am confident he is starting because he is the best we have. We have a pretty strong stable of offensive lineman, but almost every team has a weakness on the offensive line. The question is though, if teams have the the personnel to exploit that weakness.

Obviously, Navy did not have the capability to win that matchup, but Purdue did. Additionally, because Purdue was stacking the box it made it even more difficult to execute the blocking schemes. Not every team will stack the box. I believe Michigan States feels they have the personnel to matchup with us conservatively, and therefore will not show very many eight man fronts. This, by itself, should mean we will be at least a little bit more successful running the ball.

Or....they take a page outta Purdue's book and stack the box and force us to play that game again and hope Golson turns the ball over. I don't want that again.

We need to run the ball. If we can't get solid push upfront and establish the run, then teams are gonna force our young QB to beat them with his arm. Yeah, he was pretty much mistake free agasint Purdue....but to expect that every week just isn't realistic. Especially against more talented teams.

If I'm the opposition, I want Golson to try and beat me. Shut down the run and see what the kid can do.

 

[NDhoosier]

I agree to a point Irishpat, but when you stack the box, you leave only 3-4 people in coverage, which leaves a lot of room to get open for the WRs. If we have Daniels and Eifert, you will see them beat their coverage. There were quite a number of plays where those two were WIDE OPEN down field.

 

[irishpat183]

I agree to a point Irishpat, but when you stack the box, you leave only 3-4 people in coverage, which leaves a lot of room to get open for the WRs. If we have Daniels and Eifert, you will see them beat their coverage. There were quite a number of plays where those two were WIDE OPEN down field.

Absolutely. But I think that's the risk some teams will be willing to take against a young QB.

If Golson keeps playing well, hitting open guys and taking care of the ball then there is no problem.....Keep in mind, he was doing that the entire game (with the exception of the last 2 drives) and we still managed to almost lose that game.

Purdue is a blueprint for opposing teams. Now it's how WE adjust knowing that.

 

[Irish#1]

It is pretty disappointing to know that Golic was not great this weekend, and then consider how he did against Stanford last year. He is not an all time great guard, and shouldn't be expected to be. I am confident he is starting because he is the best we have. We have a pretty strong stable of offensive lineman, but almost every team has a weakness on the offensive line. The question is though, if teams have the the personnel to exploit that weakness.

Obviously, Navy did not have the capability to win that matchup, but Purdue did. Additionally, because Purdue was stacking the box it made it even more difficult to execute the blocking schemes. Not every team will stack the box. I believe Michigan States feels they have the personnel to matchup with us conservatively, and therefore will not show very many eight man fronts. This, by itself, should mean we will be at least a little bit more successful running the ball.

Don't mean to hammer on this, but as Patulski said, Purdue wasn't filling the box, stacking the box, whatever term you like to use. Purdue just had a very good D-line, much better than most expected. I know two of their sacks came without a blitz.

Golic has to be the best option available, otherwise he wouldn't be starting.

 

[Chamellion]

Why no mention of the hurt hand? I saw a post earlier saying it was bandaged in class today (don't know if it was true or not).

Two minute drill makes sense, add in Golson's inability to grip that well and it's an easier decision to throw Tommy in there and assess Golson's hand for an OT decission if necessary.

Kind of silly to say Golson couldn't go 80 yards when he had 289 yards on the day already.

It was.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Don't mean to hammer on this, but as Patulski said, Purdue wasn't filling the box, stacking the box, whatever term you like to use. Purdue just had a very good D-line, much better than most expected. I know two of their sacks came without a blitz.

Golic has to be the best option available, otherwise he wouldn't be starting.

They seemed to be playing a defense that is derived to get eight in the box. This is because the free safety has dual responsibilities in this scheme. Obviously I wasn't the one coaching for Purdue, but the scheme resembled a 4-3 Under Cover 1 Flex front to me. With this defense there isn't exactly a "stacked" box, but more of the potential to have eight in direct run support.

If I am totally off-base on this please correct me.

 

[NDhoosier]

they were in Cover 1 most of the game except for 3rd and longs. Their D line was strong, but they were committed to stopping the run from a scheme standpoint as well.