Crazy, Koolaid statements

[NDinFL]

Bolded statment: Mission Accomplished.

LMAO... Fiction can be fun.

You love to come off as reserved and on the defense out here in the open, but once things go private....Well, that's another story. Only speaking for some of the crap that you send me, if I dare cross swords with the mighty L.A., it's far from cordial, which you receive in return. Don't come out here on the board and act like you're Innocent. I'm as guilty.... I admit it. I'm an arse.... Guilty. You're incapable of doing the same. You despise me and others like me that you'll fight to the end....No matter how dopey it makes you look. You're always right. You blame this "bff" thing out to get you. If you'd STFU, no one would respond, dopey. I haven't responded in a while....but I'm seeing you dropping idiotic subliminal names in stupid messages. Yeah....You're the victim. STFU and it all goes away........ Quit playing the victim and quit putting people's names in your mouth that don't want to be talked about. I, myself have made an effort to say away from you. STFU.

Mods.... Grow a set. This guy has gone higher, further, faster than any idiot in the IE universe. If you want proof, pm me. I'm sick of this guy going around dragging people through the mud.

One last thought.... Has there ever been an individual who has had to go to such great lengths to defend himself from something that was not started by anyone but himself? Why does he have to do this? Who is allowing this to continue? Why is this continuing? Phammer....? PM me.

FFS.

Would you just ****ing drop it.

 

[NDinFL]

Devonte Neal is going to help out punt return

Who's that?

Did he play with Everett Gholston?

Or, maybe Dane Christ?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Why are people so down on Jones?? He was highly ranked and RS last year... Why do people not think he will contribute at a high level

Word on the street is that he mas motivation/toughness issues.

 

[RDU Irish]

Prince Shembo | Notre Dame, OLB : 2014 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

This site pegs him round 4. Preseason watch list for tons of stuff (whatever that's worth). If he improves marginally on last year I think it is very plausible to see him go third round.

Tony Springmann Bio - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site
Springmann looks like a freaking sasquatch in his profile pic. He played meaningful minutes as a sophomore behind some very talented folks. If he were from Florida or Texas and had any pigment in his body I think you would think differently.

 

[RDU Irish]

Word on the street is that he mas motivation/toughness issues.

Sounds kind of like Nix as a frosh/soph.... Some kids have more growing up to do than others, doesn't mean it won't happen.

 

[koonja]

Why are people so down on Jones?? He was highly ranked and RS last year... Why do people not think he will contribute at a high level

Personally, I was unimpressed with Jones in the spring game. When a player is going full boar, you can tell. Day and Ishaq struck me as guys going full boar, and they're already guaranteed solid playing time. A guy like jones that's fighting to see the field at all should be going 100%. And he's either slow or doesn't have the right mentality just yet. Just my opinion.

 

[irishfan]

Personally, I was unimpressed with Jones in the spring game. When a player is going full boar, you can tell. Day and Ishaq struck me as guys going full boar, and they're already guaranteed solid playing time. A guy like jones that's fighting to see the field at all should be going 100%. And he's either slow or doesn't have the right mentality just yet. Just my opinion.

I think Jones will eventually get some good PT for us, but I agree here. When the reporters asked Nix if Jones was improving a couple days ago, Nix said that everyone was improving. Could have been a chance to talk Jones up a bit, but he didn't really answer the question. I think he can be a good backup DT for us in 3rd and short situations this year, but that's about it. Hope I'm wrong and he's a stud this year.

I'm expecting this on the D-Line though:

Tuitt---Nix---Day

Springmann---Schwenke---Rochell

Shembo, Ishaq, and Okwara to be D-ends on 2nd and 3rd and longs, and Jones to provide run-D support in short yardage situations.

 

[irishog77]

2 small nits, RDU (we'll just have to wait and see on how well guys actually do as players and draft prospects).

A 1st day draft pick is now a 1st rounder...and that's it. I know with the format of the draft before, calling a guy a 1st day draft pick meant 1-3 rounder. Now, calling a guy a 1st day pick means a 1st rounder. So the claim of having 1st day picks (beyond Nix and Tuitt) is a bit of stretch. Not saying guys like Day and Smith (and Rochelle) can't or won't be 1st rounders in the future, but I think it's tough to expect it out of them now.

Nix started as a sophomore (after RS his freshman year to get his body in shape). So when Jones may not even scratch (or sniff) the 2-deep as a sophomore, I think it's tough to bring Nix and Jones into any type of comparison. Hopefully Jones becomes a monster at some point, but I have doubts about a guy who isn't really in the mix by the time his 2nd year rolls around. Sure there are guys like Grace, but he was playing behind Teo and wasn't being passed up on the depth chart by anybody else-- he was truly waiting in the wings. Jones, on the other hand, has been kind of floundering in the wings. But, he's still got a lot of time left to step it up and be a solid player.

 

[Golden_Domer]

There's a lot of good material for this thread over here: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2014-recruiting-profiles/163027-irish-mob-13-player-comparisons.html

 

[irishpat183]

Prince Shembo*|*Notre Dame,*OLB*:*2014 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

This site pegs him round 4. Preseason watch list for tons of stuff (whatever that's worth). If he improves marginally on last year I think it is very plausible to see him go third round.

Tony Springmann Bio - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site
Springmann looks like a freaking sasquatch in his profile pic. He played meaningful minutes as a sophomore behind some very talented folks. If he were from Florida or Texas and had any pigment in his body I think you would think differently.

LOL...I must be a racist.


I'm not saying these guys are bad or not going to be playmakers...but I think they really ahve to have great years to get into those rounds. I just don't see the consistancy from Shembo. And he's a total pass rusher. He needs to show up every week. 7.5 sacks from a guy who's main job is to rush the passer? Keep in mind 3 of those came against pitiful BC and he created 0 turnovers last year.


And Springmann, as "freakish" as he looks...he hasn't done jack squat on the field. I wanna see him with another year and some production.

 

[RDU Irish]

If I'm not mistaken, the line was pretty well held down by Nix, Tuitt and KLM last year. Anyone good enough to spell them without a huge drop in aces in my book.

It was Kap's fifth year and he needed all of that time to build himself into a NFL prospect after coming to town as a 225 freshman. If he came in today, would he see any minutes as a sophomore? That is my rationale for projecting him better than KLM who was drafted 6th round with a ripped up leg.

As for Shembo, pass rushers are a premium item in the NFL. Biggest thing working against him drafting higher is his lack of height IMO.

 

[Cackalacky]

Our special teams will be in the top 25 this year.

 

[RDU Irish]

2 small nits, RDU (we'll just have to wait and see on how well guys actually do as players and draft prospects).

A 1st day draft pick is now a 1st rounder...and that's it. I know with the format of the draft before, calling a guy a 1st day draft pick meant 1-3 rounder. Now, calling a guy a 1st day pick means a 1st rounder. So the claim of having 1st day picks (beyond Nix and Tuitt) is a bit of stretch. Not saying guys like Day and Smith (and Rochelle) can't or won't be 1st rounders in the future, but I think it's tough to expect it out of them now.

Nix started as a sophomore (after RS his freshman year to get his body in shape). So when Jones may not even scratch (or sniff) the 2-deep as a sophomore, I think it's tough to bring Nix and Jones into any type of comparison. Hopefully Jones becomes a monster at some point, but I have doubts about a guy who isn't really in the mix by the time his 2nd year rolls around. Sure there are guys like Grace, but he was playing behind Teo and wasn't being passed up on the depth chart by anybody else-- he was truly waiting in the wings. Jones, on the other hand, has been kind of floundering in the wings. But, he's still got a lot of time left to step it up and be a solid player.

Damn you and your draft calendar knowledge! I still place top three rounds as being pretty much cream of the crop and a big enough pool to draw from for a discussion like this.

Good point also on Nix although I will make the same comment as KLM, largely played out of necessity with virtually no depth there. He still was winded often and far from imposing his will like he did last year. If a cloned sophomore Nix was on the roster last year, what type of PT would he have seen? Not a lot IMO

Last year also had very little garbage time, virtually all minutes were important. That is why I give a lot of respect to an sophomore making it on the field for anything other than special teams. The amount of talent, top to bottom is so much better than ten years ago it is not even funny. We struggled forever to find three or four guys that were serviceable, let alone NFL quality defensive linemen and depth to give them a breather.

2013 KLM Rd 6
2008 Trevor Laws Rd 2
2007 Victor Abiamiri Rd 2
2007 Derek Landri Rd 5
2005 Justin Tuck Rd 3
2002 Anthony Weaver Rd 2
1997 Renaldo Wynn Rd 1
1996 Paul Grasmanis Rd 4
1995 Oliver Gibson Rd 4

 

[IrishLion]

My own personal Kool Aid statement:

I made a prediction for the last half of the 2012 season that Davonte Neal would be the team's leading receiver over the last six games.

Still not sure how I missed on that one.

 

[ulukinatme]

Justin Tuck was probably a steal at the 3rd round in 2005

 

[Old Man Mike]

Feeling wary of posting anything in this thread, especially when some "personal comment" seems likely to spill onto anyone who does, but I'll risk an opinion on something mentioned:

LA is correct to say that discussion of "elite" is meaningless unless one defines what one means as "elite". My definition is apparently athlete-friendlier than some of those going around.

I don't know how many of us have played any form of ball where a pro or former pro athlete was involved. I have [amateur ad hoc basketball and city leagues]. These guys are not to be under-rated casually. They're special.

So... in my definition, any athlete who can make the roster of a pro team is "elite". Others can have their own view, sure --- go for it. But to stare an NFL pro in the eye and tell him he is not an elite athlete is bordering on crazy to me.

Bottomline: speak clearly ones own definition of elite, and then jump into the great "how many, etc... " argument in a way that the rest of us can understand. A lot of grenades are being lobbed at targets which might not even exist. .... unless it really IS just personal.

 

[RDU Irish]

Justin Tuck was probably a steal at the 3rd round in 2005

Yep - Knee injury kept him out of the first round. He had a year of eligibility left since he redshirted as a freshman (yes we redshirted one of the most dynamic pass rushers in school history). Knee recovery plus constant double teams dropped his senior production.

Laws, Abiamiri and Landri were too young to take the pressure off of Tuck and there was zero depth beyond those guys.

Pick pretty much anyone off our DL roster and they would be logging big minutes at any point in the last fifteen years IMO.

 

[Cackalacky]

I got dunked on by Kevin Garnett in high school. I can still hear the sound in my head.

I took it like a champ.

 

[IrishLion]

So... in my definition, any athlete who can make the roster of a pro team is "elite". Others can have their own view, sure --- go for it. But to stare an NFL pro in the eye and tell him he is not an elite athlete is bordering on crazy to me.

My definition of elite is a bit different, but the context involved also plays a role in the debate.

For example, anyone playing in the NFL is an elite "athlete" in my eyes.

However, there is a difference in being elite as an athlete and being elite at a specific position.

Not to cause more problems, but I'll reference the recent debate: the D-line/front 7.

In terms of being an "athlete" in general, there are 8 elite guys on ND's defensive front seven. But as for being considered specifically-elite "linemen," I would say there are 2 in the front seven with several others having the potential to take up that status.

Again, it all depends on a specific definition, but also context.

 

[irishog77]

I got dunked on by Kevin Garnett in high school. I can still hear the sound in my head.

I took it like a champ.

I think I've brought this up on IE before, but I had a buddy get literally Tea-bagged by Ron Mercer on a dunk in high school.

He can still taste his nutsack.

 

[ACamp1900]

lol......

side point, I thought Cack was younger than I... if you played KG in HS I would assume you are older.

 

[Cackalacky]

lol......

side point, I thought Cack was younger than I... if you played KG in HS I would assume you are older.

Yup he was year older than me. I played him in middle and high school before he moved from Greenville. There was no comparison even at that age.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yup he was year older than me. I played him in middle and high school before he moved from Greenville. There was no comparison even at that age.

Dude I swear I thought you were like 19...

 

[Cackalacky]

Dude I swear I thought you were like 19...

I don't know how I feel about that. I like Faith No More. Jeff Burris is my favorite player...

Do you even know me bro?

 

[NDinL.A.]

I don't know how I feel about that. I like Faith No More. Jeff Burris is my favorite player...

Do you even know me bro?

Camper doesn't even lift bro.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I got dunked on by Kevin Garnett in high school. I can still hear the sound in my head.

I took it like a champ.

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"Why's Cack cryin'?"
"'Cause he just got dunked on!"

 

[irishpat183]

I got dunked on by Kevin Garnett in high school. I can still hear the sound in my head.

I took it like a champ.

lol......

side point, I thought Cack was younger than I... if you played KG in HS I would assume you are older.

David Givens threw me a TD pass in High school. I was a Sophmore and he was in his senior year. Dude did EVERYTHING on the field.

 

[NDWorld247]

LA is correct to say that discussion of "elite" is meaningless unless one defines what one means as "elite". My definition is apparently athlete-friendlier than some of those going around.

I don't know how many of us have played any form of ball where a pro or former pro athlete was involved. I have [amateur ad hoc basketball and city leagues]. These guys are not to be under-rated casually. They're special.

So... in my definition, any athlete who can make the roster of a pro team is "elite". Others can have their own view, sure --- go for it. But to stare an NFL pro in the eye and tell him he is not an elite athlete is bordering on crazy to me.

Bottomline: speak clearly ones own definition of elite, and then jump into the great "how many, etc... " argument in a way that the rest of us can understand. A lot of grenades are being lobbed at targets which might not even exist. .... unless it really IS just personal.

Thank you, my Lord, for providing a reasonable definition of the term 'elite' as it pertains to this discussion. I'm going to take it one step further and define 'elite' at each level.

Elite high school player - earns division 1 scholarship (top 3% of all HS players)
Elite college football player - earns roster spot on NFL team (top 3% of college players)
Elite NFL player - earns Pro Bowl distinction (top 3% of NFL players)

As I see it, we have the following in ND's front seven:

Elite right now (3) - Tuitt, Nix and Shembo --- these guys are good enough right now to earn a NFL roster spot.
Elite in the near future (4) - Ishaq, Day, Grace and Springmann --- all have 2 to 3 years of eligibility left and will not test their NFL fate for a few more seasons.
Elite when all is said and done (3-5) - J. Smith, Rochell, EV (since the statement was made when he was on our team), and possibly Deeb & Randolph. --- these guys haven't played a down of college football yet but should be playing on Sundays in 4-5 years.

I think guys like Spond, Fox, Calabrese, Schwenke, Councell, etc, will get a chance to make a NFL roster, but I'd be surprised if they made the 53-man cut.

Do we have eight 'elite' college football players in the front seven right now? No. Will at least eight of these guys be considered 'elite' college football players by the time their career is over? Yes.

To get back on topic, I guess the only question left is am I crazy and drinking the koolaid or is this post more suited for a reasonable discussion on the NFL potential of our defensive front seven?

 

[ACamp1900]

Camper doesn't even lift bro.

Not unless it's a 30 case of beer... why mess with perfection??

I lined up opposite Tj Housmazahdahah... ah

and played against Ronnie Lott's son, which was cool because my dad played against Ronnie Lott... I fared much better than my father...

 

[irishog77]

Aaron's dad has Ronnie's finger stashed away in a safety deposit box.