COVID-19

[ulukinatme]

These numbers are a bit surprising, but I have to agree. 91% say they aren't going to get their young children the shot among 116,000 votes. If you're over 40 and/or high risk, yeah, you should get the vax. If we were seeing near full immunity as we've seen with previous vaccines it would make sense to get all the kids done too, but given how resilient they are to COVID it's probably better if they aren't hit with this. I saw Ernest Ramirez speaking in DC on November 2nd how his 15 year old son died of myocarditis five days after his Pfizer shot, I can't imagine putting one of my kids to rest under those conditions.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1456414456204857363[/TWEET]

 

[PerthDomer]

These numbers are a bit surprising, but I have to agree. 91% say they aren't going to get their young children the shot among 116,000 votes. If you're over 40 and/or high risk, yeah, you should get the vax. If we were seeing near full immunity as we've seen with previous vaccines it would make sense to get all the kids done too, but given how resilient they are to COVID it's probably better if they aren't hit with this. I saw Ernest Ramirez speaking in DC on November 2nd how his 15 year old son died of myocarditis five days after his Pfizer shot, I can't imagine putting one of my kids to rest under those conditions.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1456414456204857363[/TWEET]

Your kid is more likely to die from myocsrditis from covid than the shot. Not even accounting for respiratory disease. I'd guess that a third of parents will vaccinate their 5 to 11 year olds immediately. Probably up to 2/3 by the summer.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Your kid is more likely to die from myocsrditis from covid than the shot. Not even accounting for respiratory disease. I'd guess that a third of parents will vaccinate their 5 to 11 year olds immediately. Probably up to 2/3 by the summer.

How do you know a child is more likely to die from myocarditis from Covid than the shot? What respiratory disease?! For God's sakes do not call this shot a vaccine. It is isn't. So why as a parent would you damn your child with unknown long term effects of this experimental drug to treat a virus we have yet to fully understand. The marketing of this drug has reached absurd heights. The lies uttered to cover up the previous lies to cover up the previous lies. It is fukkin insane.

 

[Blazers46]

These numbers are a bit surprising, but I have to agree. 91% say they aren't going to get their young children the shot among 116,000 votes. If you're over 40 and/or high risk, yeah, you should get the vax. If we were seeing near full immunity as we've seen with previous vaccines it would make sense to get all the kids done too, but given how resilient they are to COVID it's probably better if they aren't hit with this. I saw Ernest Ramirez speaking in DC on November 2nd how his 15 year old son died of myocarditis five days after his Pfizer shot, I can't imagine putting one of my kids to rest under those conditions.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1456414456204857363[/TWEET]

It’s crazy that knowing what we know and apparently there’s a pill that IF you get COVID cuts hospitalizations/death down 90% on top of the incredibly low rates as it is. We are catching up but society and our leaders seem to be putting heavier clamps down. Dumb.

 

[ulukinatme]

It’s crazy that knowing what we know and apparently there’s a pill that IF you get COVID cuts hospitalizations/death down 90% on top of the incredibly low rates as it is. We are catching up but society and our leaders seem to be putting heavier clamps down. Dumb.

Yeah, at this point with the FDA getting ready to look at the anti-viral drug Pfizer is putting out, or the Merck one that's been out for a bit, I figure the kids can play it safe and continue to avoid getting the virus until one is approved. At that point between their low chance for severe effects and the medication they should be covered. I think there's still questions out there how the jab may affect reproduction and I'd rather not push that on the kids. It's fine for my wife and I, we're done having crotch gremlins.

 

[ulukinatme]

Your kid is more likely to die from myocsrditis from covid than the shot. Not even accounting for respiratory disease. I'd guess that a third of parents will vaccinate their 5 to 11 year olds immediately. Probably up to 2/3 by the summer.

That may be the case, but based on the numbers from the poll I'm not sure people are going to be rushing to get the kids the jab. I'm sure a large number of people are there to troll Milano because that's how Twitter operates, but 92% out of 173,000 votes is still a pretty good number. I would bet it's closer to half or less for kids getting the jab 6 months from now. We're sitting at just 2/3 vaccinated for adults right now after 10+ months, I seriously doubt we'll be at 66% for kids by summer.

 

[Bishop2b5]

My brother has refused to get the shots. He's not anit-vax, he just doesn't trust a vaccine that was developed in such a short time without the usual clinical trials. He worries about them discovering some long-term health problem in a few years. Anyway, a friend of ours who's rather liberal, has been all over FB for months belittling anyone who won't get vaccinated. He hasn't so much touted the benefits and tried to persuade as much as he's belittled and attacked all who don't agree with him. Months and months of, "Only an uneducated, superstitious, inbred, anti-science, neckbeard, deplorable would be so stupid as to not trust Fauci and the government and not get vaccinated." It's just been a relentless stream of angry insults and belittling attacks. Amazing how persuasive such an approach is, no? He directed some of it specifically at my brother for questioning the long term effects. Anyway, after all that, he got the booster shot last month and had such a bad reaction that he ended up in the ICU for almost two weeks and came within a hair of being discharged in a box. After he got home and began posting about his reaction and hospitalization, I just replied, "Ironic, huh?" He hasn't replied to that and hasn't done any more "You're all idiots for not getting vaccinated" posts either.

 

[ulukinatme]

That's kinda crazy. Seems like a lot of people that got bad reactions were on the 2nd dose...wonder why it would happen on the booster and not the 1st two? Isn't the booster just an additional dose of the original vaccine? That's what I'm seeing on Hopkins' website anyway.

 

[Irish#1]

That may be the case, but based on the numbers from the poll I'm not sure people are going to be rushing to get the kids the jab. I'm sure a large number of people are there to troll Milano because that's how Twitter operates, but 92% out of 173,000 votes is still a pretty good number. I would bet it's closer to half or less for kids getting the jab 6 months from now. We're sitting at just 2/3 vaccinated for adults right now after 10+ months, I seriously doubt we'll be at 66% for kids by summer.

IMO, I seriously doubt the unvaccinated will get their kids poked. Of the 2/3 that are vax'd I don't think that group will reach 2/3 for their kids. Maybe 40-50%?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Ivermectin should only be used in trials. You can find doctors to prescribe it if you have money, but the only reasonable trial done doesn't find a benefit. There are a ton of drugs in trials. I hope Joe didn't take any of those without enrolling in trials.

One big failure of our response was the inability to conduct multifactorial RCT's like Britain. A big part of that was docs deciding to throw shit at people whilly nilly up front rather than enroll their patients in trials because they were sure x y or z drug worked.

Sorry to just now follow up...

I'm not recommending the use of Ivermectin. I'm just pointing out that there are more trials taking place right now (with the use of NIH grants in this country) and the mainstream media's failure to acknowledge that while simultaneously fabricating a story about what Rogan was prescribed and also reporting on Merck and Pfizers oral anti-viral pill development is precisely the reason so many people are cynical and don't trust big-pharma, the government, or the MSM. I couldn't even make this point to my co-worker that day in conversation because the mere mention of Rogan's name apparently was so offensive that she shut down the convo. *shrug*

I've been working with this co-worker for 15 years. I typically avoid the political and religious topics for obvious reasons. But because Covid has become so political, I working in the medical field, can't avoid the conversations and sometimes I get sick of hearing the liberal banter, especially when it's clearly a memo put out by their respective echo chambers.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

On the topic of vaccinating my 6 year old daughter: We plan to do it, we just "don't want to be first in line." I think a lot of parents feel this way.

 

[PerthDomer]

That may be the case, but based on the numbers from the poll I'm not sure people are going to be rushing to get the kids the jab. I'm sure a large number of people are there to troll Milano because that's how Twitter operates, but 92% out of 173,000 votes is still a pretty good number. I would bet it's closer to half or less for kids getting the jab 6 months from now. We're sitting at just 2/3 vaccinated for adults right now after 10+ months, I seriously doubt we'll be at 66% for kids by summer.

We're above 70% past the 1st shot for adults. I think teens are sitting around 50%. Over here (DC) there's a significant wait to get them. I also expect that after the winter there'll be less disease activity, relaxed restrictions and less polarization over the issue. I expect the virus to be less on the forefront of the news/politics etc. Because vaccinations will be higher. There'll be more natural immunity, and we'll have a pill for it.

I can also tell you that every general pediatrician I know is getting their kid vaccinated ASAP. Pediatricians are used to selling vaccination to people. Parents are used to vaccinating their kids.

I'd also expect this to be a mandatory vaccine for schools next fall in most blue states and big cities.

 

[PerthDomer]

Sorry to just now follow up...

I'm not recommending the use of Ivermectin. I'm just pointing out that there are more trials taking place right now (with the use of NIH grants in this country) and the mainstream media's failure to acknowledge that while simultaneously fabricating a story about what Rogan was prescribed and also reporting on Merck and Pfizers oral anti-viral pill development is precisely the reason so many people are cynical and don't trust big-pharma, the government, or the MSM. I couldn't even make this point to my co-worker that day in conversation because the mere mention of Rogan's name apparently was so offensive that she shut down the convo. *shrug*

I've been working with this co-worker for 15 years. I typically avoid the political and religious topics for obvious reasons. But because Covid has become so political, I working in the medical field, can't avoid the conversations and sometimes I get sick of hearing the liberal banter, especially when it's clearly a memo put out by their respective echo chambers.

Pfizer has positive data. 4/5 studies showing any benefit of ivermectin have been retracted due to falsified data. We have 0 data in a 1st world country showing positive results for ivermectin. If you're taking ivermectin out of a trial for COVID you're a nut. It's not even the cheap generic with the best preliminary evidence (that's fluvoxamine).

 

[PerthDomer]

My brother has refused to get the shots. He's not anit-vax, he just doesn't trust a vaccine that was developed in such a short time without the usual clinical trials. He worries about them discovering some long-term health problem in a few years. Anyway, a friend of ours who's rather liberal, has been all over FB for months belittling anyone who won't get vaccinated. He hasn't so much touted the benefits and tried to persuade as much as he's belittled and attacked all who don't agree with him. Months and months of, "Only an uneducated, superstitious, inbred, anti-science, neckbeard, deplorable would be so stupid as to not trust Fauci and the government and not get vaccinated." It's just been a relentless stream of angry insults and belittling attacks. Amazing how persuasive such an approach is, no? He directed some of it specifically at my brother for questioning the long term effects. Anyway, after all that, he got the booster shot last month and had such a bad reaction that he ended up in the ICU for almost two weeks and came within a hair of being discharged in a box. After he got home and began posting about his reaction and hospitalization, I just replied, "Ironic, huh?" He hasn't replied to that and hasn't done any more "You're all idiots for not getting vaccinated" posts either.

What did he get hospitalized with? If not myocarditis there's nothing linked to the mRNA vaccines.

 

[Bishop2b5]

What did he get hospitalized with? If not myocarditis there's nothing linked to the mRNA vaccines.

I don't know. I haven't spoken with him by phone and he didn't say online. His wife just posted that he had a high fever and had to go to the ER, then they put him in ICU for 12 days. Since his release, he hasn't said, other than it was a reaction to the booster.

 

[NDRock]

My brother has refused to get the shots. He's not anit-vax, he just doesn't trust a vaccine that was developed in such a short time without the usual clinical trials. He worries about them discovering some long-term health problem in a few years. Anyway, a friend of ours who's rather liberal, has been all over FB for months belittling anyone who won't get vaccinated. He hasn't so much touted the benefits and tried to persuade as much as he's belittled and attacked all who don't agree with him. Months and months of, "Only an uneducated, superstitious, inbred, anti-science, neckbeard, deplorable would be so stupid as to not trust Fauci and the government and not get vaccinated." It's just been a relentless stream of angry insults and belittling attacks. Amazing how persuasive such an approach is, no? He directed some of it specifically at my brother for questioning the long term effects. Anyway, after all that, he got the booster shot last month and had such a bad reaction that he ended up in the ICU for almost two weeks and came within a hair of being discharged in a box. After he got home and began posting about his reaction and hospitalization, I just replied, "Ironic, huh?" He hasn't replied to that and hasn't done any more "You're all idiots for not getting vaccinated" posts either.

I always wonder why people have social media in the first place but if you do, why keep someone as a “friend” who belittles you. Worst thing to happen to society since I’ve been alive.

 

[RDU Irish]

So this is still a thing? Let me know how your kid "vaccines" (and subsequent perpetual boosters) go and maybe I'll consider it in 5-10 years when the data has legs.

 

[PerthDomer]

So this is still a thing? Let me know how your kid "vaccines" (and subsequent perpetual boosters) go and maybe I'll consider it in 5-10 years when the data has legs.

Most vaccine series have 3 or 4 shots. We've approved vaccines in the past after 4 years of development... decades ago when we had worse tech and had no impetus to fund development aggressively. Also, why the air quotes around vaccine? You just shrug it off when the kids I care for die?

 

[NDPhilly]

Reached the point in my friend group where I know more people who have had breakthrough cases than got covid pre-vaccine. Obviously, the vaccines are still effective at preventing hospitalizations/death, but if the goal is to reduce the spread, I really don't think these mandates are going to accomplish much.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't know. I haven't spoken with him by phone and he didn't say online. His wife just posted that he had a high fever and had to go to the ER, then they put him in ICU for 12 days. Since his release, he hasn't said, other than it was a reaction to the booster.

There's this too. My wife took care of a woman that had this happen due to the flu shot. Former police officer, and she became a quadriplegic after the flu shot.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1457875322620231683

 

[ab2cmiller]

Didn’t realize that nobody has seen Newsom for close to 2 weeks

 

[PerthDomer]

Reached the point in my friend group where I know more people who have had breakthrough cases than got covid pre-vaccine. Obviously, the vaccines are still effective at preventing hospitalizations/death, but if the goal is to reduce the spread, I really don't think these mandates are going to accomplish much.

Post booster you have 95% protection from symptoms compared to having just the initial 2 shots. Within 6 months of the 1st 2 shots your symptomatic protection is high. Additionally vaccinated people who get I'll spread it less well than the unvaccinated (they spread for a shorter amount of time).

Even ignoring that, reducing the number of unvaccinated people reduces the odds the local hospitals get swamped.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Pfizer has positive data. 4/5 studies showing any benefit of ivermectin have been retracted due to falsified data. We have 0 data in a 1st world country showing positive results for ivermectin. If you're taking ivermectin out of a trial for COVID you're a nut. It's not even the cheap generic with the best preliminary evidence (that's fluvoxamine).

I agree. I'm not suggesting usage outside of a trial. I was simply trying to point out that there are new trials underway that should hopefully clear the air once and for all...and the mere mention of it seems to strike nerves in people like my co-worker.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I recall the powers that be claimed the vaccine was a one time shot and it was 100% effective against death and hospitalization AND prevented transmission. We are now at shot three with the possibility of semi annual or annual shot requirements to just lessen the chance of hospitalization and death. Think about that for second. Now, the devotees spew meaningless percentages 95% or name a % to claim some knowledge they do not have.

I no longer trust the medical profession. COVID has exposed the majority of them as overpaid stenographers. Their analytical skills barely reaching the level of auto mechanic.

 

[TorontoGold]

I recall the powers that be claimed the vaccine was a one time shot and it was 100% effective against death and hospitalization AND prevented transmission. We are now at shot three with the possibility of semi annual or annual shot requirements to just lessen the chance of hospitalization and death. Think about that for second. Now, the devotees spew meaningless percentages 95% or name a % to claim some knowledge they do not have.

I no longer trust the medical profession. COVID has exposed the majority of them as overpaid stenographers. Their analytical skills barely reaching the level of auto mechanic.

Which previous coronavirus has a vaccine with 100% efficacy? Not sure I can think of one, I'm guessing you have one in mind if you're disappointed with the results.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Which previous coronavirus has a vaccine with 100% efficacy? Not sure I can think of one, I'm guessing you have one in mind if you're disappointed with the results.

I can’t think of one nor can I think of another human “vaccine” for a coronavirus. You would think the professionals especially Fauci would have know that. So where did the 100% effectiveness claim come from?

Now you might argue that no one explicitly claimed 100%; but that would be disingenuous considering how it was implied over and over again without correction by the “fact checkers”. Now its effectiveness is some high % that wanes over time…basically a placebo with unknown short term and long term side effects.

 

[IrishLax]

I can’t think of one nor can I think of another human “vaccine” for a coronavirus. You would think the professionals especially Fauci would have know that. So where did the 100% effectiveness claim come from?

Now you might argue that no one explicitly claimed 100%; but that would be disingenuous considering how it was implied over and over again without correction by the “fact checkers”. Now its effectiveness is some high % that wanes over time…basically a placebo with unknown short term and long term side effects.

Yeah sorry but this is total bullshit. Literally everything related to Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J that was released when they were getting approved cited very specific efficacy numbers for very specific outcomes -- against infection, against death, etc. They didn't make these up, it was direct information from clinical trials.

They also included efficacy numbers over time related to when you had received your dose(s). Later, once the Delta strain happened and they had longer duration waning efficacy-over-time information, they released numbers related to that. They are constantly releasing this sort of information and NEVER said it was 100% effective in any of it.

 

[IrishLax]

On the vaccine for kids thing -- 0% chance a child of mine is getting it without long term studies, mainly because the risk vs benefit analysis seems way off the mark. For example, there is a massive outbreak of RSV going around which is much worse for kids and they have a vaccine for it... but I can't get the RSV vaccine without paying hundreds of dollars out of pocket for it? And the COVID vaccine -- with lower efficacy and lower upside for a small child -- is free and I'm supposed to bend over backwards to get it for my kid as soon as possible? Hard pass.

Focus right now needs to be on therapeutics and getting back to normal.

 

[TorontoGold]

I can’t think of one nor can I think of another human “vaccine” for a coronavirus. You would think the professionals especially Fauci would have know that. So where did the 100% effectiveness claim come from?

Now you might argue that no one explicitly claimed 100%; but that would be disingenuous considering how it was implied over and over again without correction by the “fact checkers”. Now its effectiveness is some high % that wanes over time…basically a placebo with unknown short term and long term side effects.

The effectiveness claim came from you, and people that didn't actually read reports produced. Somehow, it's everyone else's fault you are holding onto this notion that it was supposed to be 100%.

It's like arguing a box score on ESPN because you didn't take the time to look at the score.

 

[Irishize]

Yeah sorry but this is total bullshit. Literally everything related to Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J that was released when they were getting approved cited very specific efficacy numbers for very specific outcomes -- against infection, against death, etc. They didn't make these up, it was direct information from clinical trials.

They also included efficacy numbers over time related to when you had received your dose(s). Later, once the Delta strain happened and they had longer duration waning efficacy-over-time information, they released numbers related to that. They are constantly releasing this sort of information and NEVER said it was 100% effective in any of it.

You make a key point by including the impact of Delta. Remember the vaccines became available before it was evident that Delta would be so impactful. Under Gamma it looked like almost immediate success as the nation was ramping up. Then they paused JNJ and the seed of doubt was planted to those who were hesitant (That’s my theory since it coincided w/ the drop in vaccine rate).

Once the number of vaxxed started waning, Delta started doing it’s thing and while it prevented more hospitalization & reduced severity, Delta showed how leaky the vax was. Thankfully, it looks like we are finally improving. I’m especially encouraged by all the therapeutics that may be available in the near future…helpfully before the next variant.