COVID-19

[Irish YJ]

If there was a more coordinated national response many states would be doing this very thing right now. Then the redeployment of necessary resources marches across the country in as orderly of fashion as possible to areas with highest need. Thats easy to say and probably very hard to pull off. Ohio is taking a ventilator inventory, maybe already fully done, not sure. In hindsight, this is something that could have been a priority from the outset of the declaration of national emergency. It would have given a clear picture of state and national inventory in a sort of registry. Maybe Oahu can shed some light on this? It could already be known by the states and fed at this moment, idk. In which case the question is why arent states already shifting resources based on current needs?

Per Birx and Fauci, we have a very good idea of who has what and those things as well as utilization are tracked closely on an hourly basis. The issue here is the states willingness to give up existing inventory instead of hoarding. Birx mentioned at some point last week (may have been Fauci) that the strategy is to move inventory from national stockpiles first (to places in need), and then dig into least impacted state inventory (if national stockpiles are not enough). If memory serves, they would then replace state inventory with new ventilators as they rolled off the line.

I'm sure some states are less aware than others (of their own inventory), but every state has been asked to do it's own due diligence and report. I'm sure some hospitals are potentially not reporting, but hard to enforce perfect compliance unless you want to send military search squads into every single health facility in the nation.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Anyone who donated plasma at those banks has already been implanted with a microchip by the federal government and they have been tracking your every movement for more than a decade. You know it to be true.

 

[Irish YJ]

Then there is these people.

I saw this. The whole thing screams hoax....

 

[Irish YJ]

Anyone who donated plasma at those banks has already been implanted with a microchip by the federal government and they have been tracking your every movement for more than a decade. You know it to be true.

I also heard clones were made from the plasma, and the gov intends to slowly replace us all with compliant subjects, and are doing so as we slowly trickle into the hospitals for Covid treatment

 

[loomis41973]

Even if people were told tomorrow that it was okay to work and be about, the food service industry will take years, if not decades, to get back to what it was. This situation will have significant long lasting consequences to the mental make-up on the American consumer. I am not just talking spending habits, but overall suspicion of everyone else's health. Seeing people in public with masks will become the norm. I am not saying everyone will continue wearing masks all the time, but in crowded places (think airport, concerts, etc., we should expect to see people wearing masks from now on. That visual will be a reminder of what has happened and will continue to influence habits henceforth.

Nah...just nah. People have a short term memory and are itching to go out. As an owner of a DQ, we have seen record traffic with only the d/t. Sales are up 18% ytd. Other friends in the small local restaurant business are adjusting well and seeing profits on par with d/t only. Bars and restaurants selling liquor are being hit hard though.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tiger in the Bronx zoo tested positive. Saw a report last week about a house cat testing positive. Make you wonder what other animals can catch or spread the disease. And how about mosquitoes?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Nah...just nah. People have a short term memory and are itching to go out. As an owner of a DQ, we have seen record traffic with only the d/t. Sales are up 18% ytd. Other friends in the small local restaurant business are adjusting well and seeing profits on par with d/t only. Bars and restaurants selling liquor are being hit hard though.

So you think that after all of this, things will be just fine? It's great to hear that you are doing well, but you are the exception and not the rule based on every financial report out there.

BTW, distressed assets are up over 4X in the last two weeks. That is only on marketable debt, doesn't include small to medium sized businesses. Prior to this, consumer debt was at all an all time high, exceeding 2007/2008. It took 4+ years of declines to see credit growth again. However, at that point, you didn't have the significant gov't debt that is now looming.

Here is my hunch....after two significant crashes in 12/13 years, the American consumer finally wakes up and returns to personal savings rates that were normal just a few decades ago. That 2-4% of additional savings will have a significant impact on an economy based heavily on consumption. Hope I am wrong.

 

[SonofOahu]

Kemp is good on some things, idiot on others. He's an idiot on this. Shelter in place, but reopens beaches lol... He seems to think they can police the proximity. So far, people look to be applying common sense. I just saw a live shot of DC where a good amount of people were out in parks and at the national mall. I guess the same going on at beaches isn't all bad. All I know is that my ass is staying home.

You know, as much as he is being panned for that, I don't really disagree with opening the beaches. Sure, keep the businesses closed, but save for a complete Italian lock-down where everyone has to stay in their homes, a beach isn't the worst place to be.

FWIW, though, Hawaii closed its beaches too. Being in the water is fine, you just can't sit on the beach. Go figure.

 

[Irish YJ]

You know, as much as he is being panned for that, I don't really disagree with opening the beaches. Sure, keep the businesses closed, but save for a complete Italian lock-down where everyone has to stay in their homes, a beach isn't the worst place to be.

FWIW, though, Hawaii closed its beaches too. Being in the water is fine, you just can't sit on the beach. Go figure.

I'm just not sure how you can have a stay at home order at the same time you have beaches open. So far people seem to be using common sense. Just not sure people can be trusted to have common sense right now lol. They certainly couldn't be a few weeks ago. Perhaps reality has set in, and folks are now more willing to act responsible. But at the same time, we all know there are always idiots who screw things up for the majority. I guess I'd rather have folks on the beach in moderation rather that some of the shots I've seen around the country.

This was yesterday in DC
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TODAY - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SocialDistancing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SocialDistancing</a> 🤯 <br><br>The Fish Market @ The Wharf <a href="https://twitter.com/wusa9?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wusa9</a> <a href="https://t.co/7rhyell0H9">pic.twitter.com/7rhyell0H9</a></p>— Lorenzo Hall (@LorenzoHall) <a href="https://twitter.com/LorenzoHall/status/1246541733233602564?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Circa]

Hats off to Oregon. They actually sent ventilators back to the national stockpile for redeployment after looking at models and comparing their inventory.

Yea, this Is the 2nd or 3rd story, I personally have read about the upper west coast doing the most honorable stuff you and I have ever heard of. I think we need to take It all in like a broken escalator. We still gotta get to the top but we are walking and It's a bit faster.... Believe It or not.

The old school media will find any reason to fool us for their own reasons.
Stay safe and Keep It real.

 

[SonofOahu]

I realize you work in healthcare and you're seeing more than most of us do first hand. Let's remove the actual playing of the sports (this is still a football website at its core), and echoing what my buddy said, discuss the financial impact of this. 10 million Americans lost their job in the past two weeks.

I'm not saying let's bring everyone back to work tomorrow and pretend everything is OK, but there are serious negative consequences coming from all the shutdowns.

I pray every day thins don't get worse than they are, but months from now we could easily be talking about record breaking unemployment, rise in suicide, domestic violence, crime, etc.

Months from now, we will definitely be talking about record-breaking unemployment. I don't know about the crime and violence part of it, but the sudden stoppage of all worldwide business/travel/commerce is astounding. This fucking virus has succeeded in doing what Al Qaeda wanted to but couldn't -- it essentially stopped the flow of money.

Yes, I miss having distractions, too, but sports is not going to be the answer to our recovery. It will play a part in having us feel some sense of normalcy, and it will certainly help some of our working-class folks get back on their feet, but man... I don't think ND Football is even in the Top-5 on my list of things that will make me feel normal again.

One has to think, that as testing is refined and availability become plentiful, while at the same time we get through the curve the next 2-3 weeks, we'll see a strategy to get folks gradually back out and working. At least that's been my gut for a while. If we also see continued good results from hydroxychloroquine and plasma treatment, that's a huge bonus and adds to the ability to unlock the doors.

That’s what needs to be addressed but no one wants to touch it. I have no problem abiding by what my state gov’t and all the epidemiologists suggest. The problem is those epidemiologists’ job is the study of this stuff and yet they can only give us three month projections which are all admittedly flawed. Not saying they’re not trying their best but if you can’t tell the American public how a second wave would affect us or the number of lives saved by this time next year, you’re not going to be able to continue to convince the tens of millions losing their jobs weekly to just sit at home and wait on a small stimulus check that likely won’t hit their mailbox until August.

My buddy works for a food supplier. He pretty much echoed what others have said on here in that all small restaurants will likely never reopen and the ones doing take out/drive-thru are just prolonging the inevitable.

Since a vaccine is not expected for 12-18 months, we need the epidemiologists to provide a one year forecast.

Epidemiology by its very nature cannot give a one year projection. Not for a novel virus on a global scale. Don't think it will matter much, next week will see a real rise in the numbers that will likely be sobering for those not in New York.

The question that I have goes back to an earlier discussion on here about what our value of life is. We cannot live in this existence forever, that's obvious. For the states that do end up flattening the curve, assuming that getting COVID-19 really does build immunity to further SARS-CoV-2 infection, how long will we have to live with this upgraded vigilance? The states getting hammered will, in theory, have more people get over that hump. More die, but more recover and can move on.

For those of us who are flattening the curve, we have that many more people who still have to hit the exposure point. Assuming we can get some sort of vaccination or treatment in place, that's a minimum of 18 months. Does that mean I can't go see my grandma for eighteen months? My grandma is 84, it's not like she has that many months left. My wife and I are huge vector risks, though.

 

[Circa]

I would normally say this brings up numerous questions,... but then I remember who posted it,...

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Millennials are still present...

What questions do you think of? I'm still asking myself questions and It'd be cool to hear some smart ones.

 

[SonofOahu]

Believe me when I say you won't find me anywhere near a church during this thing. Hell, I'm a bad/lapse Catholic as it is, I haven't been going to church every Sunday for quite awhile....not because I don't want to, it just makes it difficult with a young Autistic son. I just understand the importance for some people to connect to God, especially in these times, and if it's done properly with social distancing, sanitizing pews, wearing masks, etc...I think it would certainly be safer than shopping in a store. At first I was against the idea of anyone going to church during this, but given the fact most people are obeying the stay at home order anyway (Limiting the attendance) and some people are experiencing mental health issues through this crisis, church can be the only place to turn to for some.

Walking around Wal-Mart last night it was rather eerie, roughly 1/4 of the people were wearing masks and people were touching all kinds of merchandise without gloves and then putting the stuff back down. Every little cough has people turning heads. It's a necessity to shop for these things of course, but if they're really worried about keeping things sanitary I think they would close up shop completely to the public and only allow online orders /w curbside pickup. Orders could be called in to the store for those that aren't tech savvy. That way they would limit the exposure and help prevent the virus from spreading.

I don't know why more churches aren't embracing technology. I know the belief is that butts in seats equals dedication and dollars needed to stay open, but some of these churches really need to modernize their approach. I was working on a project with my former company and it involved me reaching out to churches. It should be no surprise that many of these modern "mega church" operations have a .tv domain.

I think I said this earlier, but one of the things that we have to do is fire up our ethics committee in order to put together our triage plan. I hope it doesn't get to that point, but triaging the use of resources involves placing some sort of "value" on the individuals who need it. I have seen special needs being one of the weighting factors previously in place, not here, but I think there was a recent story in the SB Tribune about Indiana's policy.

If you have not already done so, reach out to the hospitals in your area to find out if they have a triage policy, and how they come to their value determination. If special needs is a part of their equation, you need to know that so you can choose a hospital that does not factor that in (if you ever have that need, hopefully not). If they don't or can't tell you what their policy is, reach out to whoever your local disability-rights center is. They may have that info available, or they can help provide some leverage in getting access to that info.

If there was a more coordinated national response many states would be doing this very thing right now. Then the redeployment of necessary resources marches across the country in as orderly of fashion as possible to areas with highest need. Thats easy to say and probably very hard to pull off. Ohio is taking a ventilator inventory, maybe already fully done, not sure. In hindsight, this is something that could have been a priority from the outset of the declaration of national emergency. It would have given a clear picture of state and national inventory in a sort of registry. Maybe Oahu can shed some light on this? It could already be known by the states and fed at this moment, idk. In which case the question is why arent states already shifting resources based on current needs?

Sorry, that info is above my pay-grade. I don't think even the Incident Commander for HI-EMA knows what's in the strategic supply, though. It was a mystery.

I can tell you that our state-level inventory management is to a "T". We can see exactly what's going on with each facility, what their utilization is, etc. We deploy/re-deploy supplies based on need. Again, though, that's just us as a state.

 

[Irish YJ]

Months from now, we will definitely be talking about record-breaking unemployment. I don't know about the crime and violence part of it, but the sudden stoppage of all worldwide business/travel/commerce is astounding. This fucking virus has succeeded in doing what Al Qaeda wanted to but couldn't -- it essentially stopped the flow of money.

I'm halfway expecting some type of stupid shit from either some group in the ME, or country like Iran or an Iranian proxy. Perhaps they know we'd likely lack patience given the current situation, and not give such a "measured" response like in the past.

Yes, I miss having distractions, too, but sports is not going to be the answer to our recovery. It will play a part in having us feel some sense of normalcy, and it will certainly help some of our working-class folks get back on their feet, but man... I don't think ND Football is even in the Top-5 on my list of things that will make me feel normal again.

Certainly not top 20 on any of my lists, but boy would it give me a huge mental break right now. The mental impacts to all this can't be diminished.

The question that I have goes back to an earlier discussion on here about what our value of life is. We cannot live in this existence forever, that's obvious. For the states that do end up flattening the curve, assuming that getting COVID-19 really does build immunity to further SARS-CoV-2 infection, how long will we have to live with this upgraded vigilance? The states getting hammered will, in theory, have more people get over that hump. More die, but more recover and can move on.

For those of us who are flattening the curve, we have that many more people who still have to hit the exposure point. Assuming we can get some sort of vaccination or treatment in place, that's a minimum of 18 months. Does that mean I can't go see my grandma for eighteen months? My grandma is 84, it's not like she has that many months left. My wife and I are huge vector risks, though.

If testing is widely available, I think that enables more options once we get past the spikes. My buddy's wife was tested and got results back in less than 24 hours. She's now able to return to her job Monday. I'm also gonna bet we have a vaccine in less than 18 months. I simply think with the entire world working on this, we won't be constrained to the general timelines. Hydroxychloroquine while though controversial right now, is getting more and more mainstreamed. We should have common sense evaluations of the drug at minimum pretty soon.

 

[Bluto]

Then there is these people.

That post right there is Kern County in a nutshell.

 

[Circa]

I don't know why more churches aren't embracing technology. I know the belief is that butts in seats equals dedication and dollars needed to stay open, but some of these churches really need to modernize their approach. I was working on a project with my former company and it involved me reaching out to churches. It should be no surprise that many of these modern "mega church" operations have a .tv domain.

I think I said this earlier, but one of the things that we have to do is fire up our ethics committee in order to put together our triage plan. I hope it doesn't get to that point, but triaging the use of resources involves placing some sort of "value" on the individuals who need it. I have seen special needs being one of the weighting factors previously in place, not here, but I think there was a recent story in the SB Tribune about Indiana's policy.

If you have not already done so, reach out to the hospitals in your area to find out if they have a triage policy, and how they come to their value determination. If special needs is a part of their equation, you need to know that so you can choose a hospital that does not factor that in (if you ever have that need, hopefully not). If they don't or can't tell you what their policy is, reach out to whoever your local disability-rights center is. They may have that info available, or they can help provide some leverage in getting access to that info.




Sorry, that info is above my pay-grade. I don't think even the Incident Commander for HI-EMA knows what's in the strategic supply, though. It was a mystery.

I can tell you that our state-level inventory management is to a "T". We can see exactly what's going on with each facility, what their utilization is, etc. We deploy/re-deploy supplies based on need. Again, though, that's just us as a state.

I don't know much, but I do recognize the way us human beings need social interaction in order to survive. We have holidays that have been around for awhile in order to make everyone involved uncomfortable... (at least that's how I used to think). LOL
The evolution of our species has become a thing that we can't deny any longer. It is why we get sick to our stomachs when we hear of the atrocities that people do to one and another.
Let's cool our jet's and realize we are still the same thing that needs Love and Understanding... A Hug, a simple touch... like a hand shake. We are still human.
Why are we fighting the most natural way of our being for something we are yet to understand?....


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[ACamp1900]

That post right there is Kern County in a nutshell.

Is a Kern County real, because I’m betting that post is fake

 

[Irish YJ]

Is a Kern County real, because I’m getting that post is fake

I did some googling on it, and it smells of trolls big time. The amount of dumb out there is probably about the same level of trolls these days, so who knows.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm happy and all that with Irsay donating these, but if he can find them, why can't the states? Irsay also donated $1M to Gleaners as well. #Colts

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just procured 10,000+ masks ( N-95) and am passing them along to Indiana State Dept. of Health for distribution as most urgently needed.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INthistogether?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INthistogether</a></p>— Jim Irsay (@JimIrsay) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimIrsay/status/1246828380441448455?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bluto]

Is a Kern County real, because I’m betting that post is fake

I didn’t mean to imply that the post/poster was real and or even from Kern County. It did remind me of Kern County in that I used to see that level of crazy/stupidity non stop from my old high school classmates before I deleted my social media accounts. Hence my comment.

If you’re ever bored read the comment sections from some articles or even better the letters to the editor of the Bakersfield Californian. The level of crazy/stupidity is something to behold.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

The question that I have goes back to an earlier discussion on here about what our value of life is. We cannot live in this existence forever, that's obvious. For the states that do end up flattening the curve, assuming that getting COVID-19 really does build immunity to further SARS-CoV-2 infection, how long will we have to live with this upgraded vigilance? The states getting hammered will, in theory, have more people get over that hump. More die, but more recover and can move on.

For those of us who are flattening the curve, we have that many more people who still have to hit the exposure point. Assuming we can get some sort of vaccination or treatment in place, that's a minimum of 18 months. Does that mean I can't go see my grandma for eighteen months? My grandma is 84, it's not like she has that many months left. My wife and I are huge vector risks, though.

I share your thoughts, it's a dilemma for sure. And this has always been the issue with "flattening the curve". The necessity is obvious in the early stages but once you plateau and move beyond the peak, what then? How long do you hold the dam? There needs to be a systematic approach with IgG testing for health care workers and essential business at minimum and more thorough acute illness testing with contact tracing for regional outbreaks. This is a tiresome and costly battle but the alternative is months and months of economic ruin. We operated in the middle during the critical initiation phase and are now paying the price. Now the really hard decisions come. It's easy to tell people to shelter in place for a month but then how do we get back? Promising treatments are within reach. Hospitals are learning to how to handle the peak so handling secondary peaks should be more manageable. Lots of questions to be answered but testing in large numbers is still the key to all of it, at least from my understanding.

 

[NDRock]

Is a Kern County real, because I’m betting that post is fake

One thing I do know is real, Reno Hightower was the best damn quarterback in the history of Kern County.

 

[Irish#1]

Then there is these people.

So many ways to respond to that.

 

[Irish#1]

Even if people were told tomorrow that it was okay to work and be about, the food service industry will take years, if not decades, to get back to what it was. This situation will have significant long lasting consequences to the mental make-up on the American consumer. I am not just talking spending habits, but overall suspicion of everyone else's health. Seeing people in public with masks will become the norm. I am not saying everyone will continue wearing masks all the time, but in crowded places (think airport, concerts, etc., we should expect to see people wearing masks from now on. That visual will be a reminder of what has happened and will continue to influence habits henceforth.

My wife and I ordered takeout from a couple of restaurants this weekend. Curiously I asked both about their business. Both were very busy with takeout orders. I was quoted a 20 wait pickup time from one and 60 minutes from another.

Not saying there won't be casualties, because there will. I was just glad to see people are ordering takeout to help the restaurants.

 

[GowerND11]

My wife and I ordered takeout from a couple of restaurants this weekend. Curiously I asked both about their business. Both were very busy with takeout orders. I was quoted a 20 wait pickup time from one and 60 minutes from another.

Not saying there won't be casualties, because there will. I was just glad to see people are ordering takeout to help the restaurants.

One of my friends is a writer in Boston, he wrote this piece about helping the industry. One tip is to buy gift cards to favorite spots for use later when it's over.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The compound annual growth rate for restaurant sales since 1970 is 6%, but the pace dropped to 4% in the decade since the Great Recession, according to the restaurant association. Despite that slower growth, more cash spent on food is being allocated to restaurant spending. In 1955, 25 cents of every $1 spent on food went to restaurants. Today, it's more than half.

Lots of good stuff in this article, especially in context of today. But the pace of spend was slowing even if total expenditures were an all time high. The thing to watch is savings rates and taxes. If/when those go up, dining out will be one of the places were the budget gets trimmed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...g-more-of-their-budget-toward-eating-out.html

 

[Irishize]

Epidemiology by its very nature cannot give a one year projection. Not for a novel virus on a global scale. Don't think it will matter much, next week will see a real rise in the numbers that will likely be sobering for those not in New York.

But can at least address the expected second wave in the fall? All I’ve seen from the various models ends abruptly in August. Time for the economists to step in and add their projections. And while I don’t expect them to be any more consistent than the epidemiologists’ models, it needs to be addressed. If we are going to trust all the inconsistent models of the Imperial College, HME, Fauci, etc; I don’t see anything wrong w/ getting insight from some of the more reputable economists. I know it’s not a panacea but at least get the public discussion started.

 

[ACamp1900]

I didn’t mean to imply that the post/poster was real and or even from Kern County. It did remind me of Kern County in that I used to see that level of crazy/stupidity non stop from my old high school classmates before I deleted my social media accounts. Hence my comment.

If you’re ever bored read the comment sections from some articles or even better the letters to the editor of the Bakersfield Californian. The level of crazy/stupidity is something to behold.

It’s all good Blu, I was just stating it feels fake,... who knows tho. I have no doubt about that comment section lol

 

[wizards8507]

Lawyers of IE, help me out. Why aren't we seeing any legal filings against any of this bullshit? First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Fourteenth Amendment, etc.

 

[greyhammer90]

Lawyers of IE, help me out. Why aren't we seeing any legal filings against any of this bullshit? First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fifth Amendment, Fourteenth Amendment, etc.

What government actions are you specifically referring to?