COVID-19

[yankeehater]

I think Newsome and California in general has done about as good a job on this as could be expected.

I have been giving him praise, but he is about to make one of the worst decisions (with the approval of the County of Orange) I have seen. Beginning this week, he is moving homeless from around the state, some Covid positive, into the Ayres Hotel in Laguna Woods. Doesn't sound like a big deal. Well, 80% of the population of this city is 65 and older. Even if they surround the hotel with police, data shows a percentage of those infected will have it advance to the point of needed hospitalization. Saddleback Hospital is their likely destination where most of this community uses when needed. How are you going to assure there will be no contact between the homeless group and the general community? All it will take is one such interaction and you will see a spike in cases that could be very difficult to stop and the statistics show will have devastating results to this vulnerable community. There has to be a better area to move the homeless.

 

[Bluto]

I have been giving him praise, but he is about to make one of the worst decisions (with the approval of the County of Orange) I have seen. Beginning this week, he is moving homeless from around the state, some Covid positive, into the Ayres Hotel in Laguna Woods. Doesn't sound like a big deal. Well, 80% of the population of this city is 65 and older. Even if they surround the hotel with police, data shows a percentage of those infected will have it advance to the point of needed hospitalization. Saddleback Hospital is their likely destination where most of this community uses when needed. How are you going to assure there will be no contact between the homeless group and the general community? All it will take is one such interaction and you will see a spike in cases that could be very difficult to stop and the statistics show will have devastating results to this vulnerable community. There has to be a better area to move the homeless.

That is a dumb idea. I would think there is plenty of alternatives to that particular hotel. Aren’t all college dormitories empty right now? A relatively isolated JC campus would seem like a better idea.

Is the hotel and the county by extension of a transient occupancy tax (no pun) making money off this?

 

[yankeehater]

That is a dumb idea. I would think there is plenty of alternatives to that particular hotel. Aren’t all college dormitories empty right now? A relatively isolated JC campus would seem like a better idea.

Is the hotel and the county by extension of a transient occupancy tax (no pun) making money off this?

I am sure the County is making money for doing it. I know the hotel owner is because he also owns a property in the City of Orange he is leasing out to the state as well. I hope he invests wisely because the backlash the hotel is receiving from the community I doubt they will be getting any business after this move putting the community at such a risk.

Not only colleges, there are plenty of hotels in outlying areas that can be used like on the way to Barstow, etc. that would not be right in the middle of any community let alone a retirement community.

 

[Circa]

One thing I haven't read anywhere, Is the Importance of cutting your grimey Fingernails. I just had to go to Kroger's and the amount of woman that think long fingernails are appropriate right now Is amazing.
They carry more bacteria than Boob sweat and It's disgusting.
We'll get into the boobsweat later after woman start cutting off their nails...

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[Polish Leppy 22]

I have been giving him praise, but he is about to make one of the worst decisions (with the approval of the County of Orange) I have seen. Beginning this week, he is moving homeless from around the state, some Covid positive, into the Ayres Hotel in Laguna Woods. Doesn't sound like a big deal. Well, 80% of the population of this city is 65 and older. Even if they surround the hotel with police, data shows a percentage of those infected will have it advance to the point of needed hospitalization. Saddleback Hospital is their likely destination where most of this community uses when needed. How are you going to assure there will be no contact between the homeless group and the general community? All it will take is one such interaction and you will see a spike in cases that could be very difficult to stop and the statistics show will have devastating results to this vulnerable community. There has to be a better area to move the homeless.

If that's true...holy shit.

 

[MJ12666]

I am unfortunately having to watch de Blazio give a press conference and here are two observations:

1. He is stating that he overestimated the number of ventilaters the city needed from the Feds, but that is okay as he is sure they will be needed sometime in the near future. After this comment I can understand why Trump is not just transferring all of the ventilaters that FEMA has to NY like Cuomo was demanding.
2. Dr. Oxiris Barbot is the commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. She is next to de Blazio answering questions. This is the same woman who criticized Trump for shutting down flights from China and in early February encouraged New Yorkers to pack the subway on their way to Chinatown to celebrate the Chineese Lunar New Year. How can this woman still have this job?

 

[SonofOahu]

How are things in your local setting. You doing OK?

We're just waiting. I saw some internal data, Friday, that showed some stunningly good projections. I think our general isolation combined with the incremental shutting-off to the rest of the world is doing its job.

Financially, I think this is going to cause long-term damage. I was on a group chat with friends, last night, and one of my restaurant-owning friends said most of the small mom-n-pop types will probably go under. Even the ones doing take-out are just delaying the inevitable. That's a sad reality.

Me personally, I think I'm okay. I may be an asymptomatic carrier, who knows. My hospital sees positives and PUIs on the daily, now, but we are nowhere near capacity. I think there will be some long-term psychological issues for a lot of first-responders after this. Even those of us on the administrative side have been dealing with some dark stuff. That part doesn't phase me, though. It's the fear of letting everyone down that keeps me up at night. If we have to tap out, I'd be really ashamed, and then fearful for the big systems having to carry the full weight of everything.

 

[Circa]

We're just waiting. I saw some internal data, Friday, that showed some stunningly good projections. I think our general isolation combined with the incremental shutting-off to the rest of the world is doing its job.

Financially, I think this is going to cause long-term damage. I was on a group chat with friends, last night, and one of my restaurant-owning friends said most of the small mom-n-pop types will probably go under. Even the ones doing take-out are just delaying the inevitable. That's a sad reality.

Me personally, I think I'm okay. I may be an asymptomatic carrier, who knows. My hospital sees positives and PUIs on the daily, now, but we are nowhere near capacity. I think there will be some long-term psychological issues for a lot of first-responders after this. Even those of us on the administrative side have been dealing with some dark stuff. That part doesn't phase me, though. It's the fear of letting everyone down that keeps me up at night. If we have to tap out, I'd be really ashamed, and then fearful for the big systems having to carry the full weight of everything.

It's great to hear your doing well. The bolded Is a systemic infection of the mind that has caused more problems than good... IMHO.
The whole asymptomatic claus Is scary for those that can't think and very political.

Just curious.. What field of medicine do ya work with?

 

[Irish YJ]

I am unfortunately having to watch de Blazio give a press conference and here are two observations:

1. He is stating that he overestimated the number of ventilaters the city needed from the Feds, but that is okay as he is sure they will be needed sometime in the near future. After this comment I can understand why Trump is not just transferring all of the ventilaters that FEMA has to NY like Cuomo was demanding.
2. Dr. Oxiris Barbot is the commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. She is next to de Blazio answering questions. This is the same woman who criticized Trump for shutting down flights from China and in early February encouraged New Yorkers to pack the subway on their way to Chinatown to celebrate the Chineese Lunar New Year. How can this woman still have this job?

Shocking.

Legacy reading this post

 

[SonofOahu]

I've listened to a ton of sports related podcasts recently, and surprised we on IE haven't talked much about if/ when/ how football will be played in 2020.

1. When will teams be allowed to practice?
2. Will teams get NCAA approved make up time for lost spring ball?
3. When will schools allow everyone to return to campus?
4. Will games have full stadiums? Empty stadiums?
5. Will the season start on time?

I think numbers show we as a country can deal with losing an NBA season or an MLB season being cut in half. If we don't get our football, things could get ugly.

This will go on awhile and there likely will be a second spike. The odds of no fall sports are greater than some abbreviated season. Bigger question becomes what happens to eligibility? Give an extra year to current team members and the 2021 class gets screwed with the 85 scholly limit.

Sports talk is a distant second compared to discussions regarding whether you're going to end up killing your relatives if you go and visit them. That's probably why the chatter in this thread has been mostly about, you know, dealing with the pandemic and all.

 

[Irish YJ]

We're just waiting. I saw some internal data, Friday, that showed some stunningly good projections. I think our general isolation combined with the incremental shutting-off to the rest of the world is doing its job.

Financially, I think this is going to cause long-term damage. I was on a group chat with friends, last night, and one of my restaurant-owning friends said most of the small mom-n-pop types will probably go under. Even the ones doing take-out are just delaying the inevitable. That's a sad reality.

Me personally, I think I'm okay. I may be an asymptomatic carrier, who knows. My hospital sees positives and PUIs on the daily, now, but we are nowhere near capacity. I think there will be some long-term psychological issues for a lot of first-responders after this. Even those of us on the administrative side have been dealing with some dark stuff. That part doesn't phase me, though. It's the fear of letting everyone down that keeps me up at night. If we have to tap out, I'd be really ashamed, and then fearful for the big systems having to carry the full weight of everything.

Stay strong.

I'd much rather be on an island isolated from the mainland honestly, so I envy you a bit. The financial ruin of many is very sad, as well as the lives lost. We can only do what we can do, so try not to kick yourself. I'll keep you and yours in my prayers.

 

[SonofOahu]

I have no problem with states exempting churches from stay at home orders. In times like this people need God. Fortunately we have marvels of modern technology that do allow people to view services online, but sometimes that's not enough. People can employ social distancing while sitting in pews, even if it still poses a risk. Nearby the Solid Rock Christian Church (Of "Big Butter Jesus" fame) has had it's own battles with the state of Ohio as they refuse to close their doors. While the pragmatist in me says they should close up shop, I get that churches from a morality and spirituality standpoint should be one of the last places to close.

That said, compared to a grocery store you're far less likely to catch the virus at church. I've witnessed the lines outside Wal-Mart and the makeshift queues they've created with carts chained together. I went just yesterday to pick a few things up. You're right when they say people are scanning and checking out their groceries and they're not 6 feet apart. Staff isn't sanitizing merchandise after people pick something up and put it back down. Nobody's temperature is being checked on the way in. It's a necessary location for everyone, but it's also easily the least safe place you can go right now.

My friend, I will give you a suggestion and tell you with as much seriousness as I can muster: stay the hell out of churches. The air circulating within the church is not getting scrubbed, and I'm pretty sure churches are not sending the UV robots into the place after each session. Yes, the air volume is probably quite large, given the height of churches/chapels, but your god is not sending some magical ozone down to kill anything.

At this point, I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. Some of y'all need Jesus, for sure, but that doesn't mean you "need god."

 

[SonofOahu]

It's great to hear your doing well. The bolded Is a systemic infection of the mind that has caused more problems than good... IMHO.
The whole asymptomatic claus Is scary for those that can't think and very political.

Just curious.. What field of medicine do ya work with?

I'm a hospital administrator. We've already been exposed to confirmed positives, from both the patient as well as staff side. It is what it is. I could try to get tested, but being asymptomatic makes it almost impossible, and until we have a rapid test, semi-useless.

 

[Circa]

I am unfortunately having to watch de Blazio give a press conference and here are two observations:

1. He is stating that he overestimated the number of ventilaters the city needed from the Feds, but that is okay as he is sure they will be needed sometime in the near future. After this comment I can understand why Trump is not just transferring all of the ventilaters that FEMA has to NY like Cuomo was demanding.
2. Dr. Oxiris Barbot is the commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. She is next to de Blazio answering questions. This is the same woman who criticized Trump for shutting down flights from China and in early February encouraged New Yorkers to pack the subway on their way to Chinatown to celebrate the Chineese Lunar New Year. How can this woman still have this job?

Reminds me of the guy (Bernard Kerik) Bush Jr. appointed to the 'First' Head of Homeland Security after 9/11... Then had to go to prison because once ya know .... Ya really have to know.

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[SonofOahu]

Stay strong.

I'd much rather be on an island isolated from the mainland honestly, so I envy you a bit. The financial ruin of many is very sad, as well as the lives lost. We can only do what we can do, so try not to kick yourself. I'll keep you and yours in my prayers.

Thank you, bud. I'm hoping the best for you and your fam, too. Your Gov is certainly... interesting in his approach.

Here's Kauai's Mayor -- I friggin' love this guy. He's such a typical rural-Hawaii local boy:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/these-people-are-covidiots-kauais-mayor-has-choice-words-rule-breakers/

 

[Irish YJ]

Thank you, bud. I'm hoping the best for you and your fam, too. Your Gov is certainly... interesting in his approach.

Here's Kauai's Mayor -- I friggin' love this guy. He's such a typical rural-Hawaii local boy:

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/these-people-are-covidiots-kauais-mayor-has-choice-words-rule-breakers/

Kemp is good on some things, idiot on others. He's an idiot on this. Shelter in place, but reopens beaches lol... He seems to think they can police the proximity. So far, people look to be applying common sense. I just saw a live shot of DC where a good amount of people were out in parks and at the national mall. I guess the same going on at beaches isn't all bad. All I know is that my ass is staying home.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sports talk is a distant second compared to discussions regarding whether you're going to end up killing your relatives if you go and visit them. That's probably why the chatter in this thread has been mostly about, you know, dealing with the pandemic and all.

I realize you work in healthcare and you're seeing more than most of us do first hand. Let's remove the actual playing of the sports (this is still a football website at its core), and echoing what my buddy said, discuss the financial impact of this. 10 million Americans lost their job in the past two weeks.

I'm not saying let's bring everyone back to work tomorrow and pretend everything is OK, but there are serious negative consequences coming from all the shutdowns.

I pray every day thins don't get worse than they are, but months from now we could easily be talking about record breaking unemployment, rise in suicide, domestic violence, crime, etc.

 

[Irish YJ]

I realize you work in healthcare and you're seeing more than most of us do first hand. Let's remove the actual playing of the sports (this is still a football website at its core), and echoing what my buddy said, discuss the financial impact of this. 10 million Americans lost their job in the past two weeks.

I'm not saying let's bring everyone back to work tomorrow and pretend everything is OK, but there are serious negative consequences coming from all the shutdowns.

I pray every day thins don't get worse than they are, but months from now we could easily be talking about record breaking unemployment, rise in suicide, domestic violence, crime, etc.

One has to think, that as testing is refined and availability become plentiful, while at the same time we get through the curve the next 2-3 weeks, we'll see a strategy to get folks gradually back out and working. At least that's been my gut for a while. If we also see continued good results from hydroxychloroquine and plasma treatment, that's a huge bonus and adds to the ability to unlock the doors.

 

[Circa]

One has to think, that as testing is refined and availability become plentiful, while at the same time we get through the curve the next 2-3 weeks, we'll see a strategy to get folks gradually back out and working. At least that's been my gut for a while. If we also see continued good results from hydroxychloroquine and plasma treatment, that's a huge bonus and adds to the ability to unlock the doors.

When I lived in Cleveland I would supplement my Income with Plasma donations. I'm not going to begin to explain my circumstances at that time but It was 2002-2004 era and they tested me when I first signed up. They then gave me 50$ for the first donation and 25$ for the second within a 1 week period. They never again tested me for anything.
This plasma (white blood cells) Is an approach I haven't read much about.
BTW, plasma gathering facilities are about as close as one could get to each other as It comes.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Boris Johnson Admitted with symptoms

 

[Irishize]

I realize you work in healthcare and you're seeing more than most of us do first hand. Let's remove the actual playing of the sports (this is still a football website at its core), and echoing what my buddy said, discuss the financial impact of this. 10 million Americans lost their job in the past two weeks.

I'm not saying let's bring everyone back to work tomorrow and pretend everything is OK, but there are serious negative consequences coming from all the shutdowns.

I pray every day thins don't get worse than they are, but months from now we could easily be talking about record breaking unemployment, rise in suicide, domestic violence, crime, etc.

That’s what needs to be addressed but no one wants to touch it. I have no problem abiding by what my state gov’t and all the epidemiologists suggest. The problem is those epidemiologists’ job is the study of this stuff and yet they can only give us three month projections which are all admittedly flawed. Not saying they’re not trying their best but if you can’t tell the American public how a second wave would affect us or the number of lives saved by this time next year, you’re not going to be able to continue to convince the tens of millions losing their jobs weekly to just sit at home and wait on a small stimulus check that likely won’t hit their mailbox until August.

My buddy works for a food supplier. He pretty much echoed what others have said on here in that all small restaurants will likely never reopen and the ones doing take out/drive-thru are just prolonging the inevitable.

Since a vaccine is not expected for 12-18 months, we need the epidemiologists to provide a one year forecast.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Epidemiology by its very nature cannot give a one year projection. Not for a novel virus on a global scale. Don't think it will matter much, next week will see a real rise in the numbers that will likely be sobering for those not in New York.

 

[Irish YJ]

Epidemiology by its very nature cannot give a one year projection. Not for a novel virus on a global scale. Don't think it will matter much, next week will see a real rise in the numbers that will likely be sobering for those not in New York.

Yup. The next two weeks will likely be a reality check to many. There are some really good trends out there to be optimistic about, but at the same time, some really bad stuff is expected.

 

[ulukinatme]

My friend, I will give you a suggestion and tell you with as much seriousness as I can muster: stay the hell out of churches. The air circulating within the church is not getting scrubbed, and I'm pretty sure churches are not sending the UV robots into the place after each session. Yes, the air volume is probably quite large, given the height of churches/chapels, but your god is not sending some magical ozone down to kill anything.

At this point, I can't tell if you're being facetious or not. Some of y'all need Jesus, for sure, but that doesn't mean you "need god."

Believe me when I say you won't find me anywhere near a church during this thing. Hell, I'm a bad/lapse Catholic as it is, I haven't been going to church every Sunday for quite awhile....not because I don't want to, it just makes it difficult with a young Autistic son. I just understand the importance for some people to connect to God, especially in these times, and if it's done properly with social distancing, sanitizing pews, wearing masks, etc...I think it would certainly be safer than shopping in a store. At first I was against the idea of anyone going to church during this, but given the fact most people are obeying the stay at home order anyway (Limiting the attendance) and some people are experiencing mental health issues through this crisis, church can be the only place to turn to for some.

Walking around Wal-Mart last night it was rather eerie, roughly 1/4 of the people were wearing masks and people were touching all kinds of merchandise without gloves and then putting the stuff back down. Every little cough has people turning heads. It's a necessity to shop for these things of course, but if they're really worried about keeping things sanitary I think they would close up shop completely to the public and only allow online orders /w curbside pickup. Orders could be called in to the store for those that aren't tech savvy. That way they would limit the exposure and help prevent the virus from spreading.

 

[Irish YJ]

Hats off to Oregon. They actually sent ventilators back to the national stockpile for redeployment after looking at models and comparing their inventory.

 

[Irish YJ]

Believe me when I say you won't find me anywhere near a church during this thing. Hell, I'm a bad/lapse Catholic as it is, I haven't been going to church every Sunday for quite awhile....not because I don't want to, it just makes it difficult with a young Autistic son. I just understand the importance for some people to connect to God, especially in these times, and if it's done properly with social distancing, sanitizing pews, wearing masks, etc...I think it would certainly be safer than shopping in a store. At first I was against the idea of anyone going to church during this, but given the fact most people are obeying the stay at home order anyway (Limiting the attendance) and some people are experiencing mental health issues through this crisis, church can be the only place to turn to for some.

Walking around Wal-Mart last night it was rather eerie, roughly 1/4 of the people were wearing masks and people were touching all kinds of merchandise without gloves and then putting the stuff back down. Every little cough has people turning heads. It's a necessity to shop for these things of course, but if they're really worried about keeping things sanitary I think they would close up shop completely to the public and only allow online orders /w curbside pickup. Orders could be called in to the store for those that aren't tech savvy. That way they would limit the exposure and help prevent the virus from spreading.

On the bolded, my mom's eldest sister (90s) is crushed that she can not go to Church. She lives in a very small town where the virus thankfully has ignored. She purposefully moved a block from the church. She attends every weekend, but also participates in several activities there during the week. Her favorite day of the week for many many years is the weekly music get-together. It's a bunch of 60+ year olds playing their instruments and singing gospel and old country songs. It's the highlight of the week for most attending. I'm happy she's not going because I love her dearly, but I also know it's crushing her spirit.

I agree on the Walmart/grocery concerns. I realize a lot of folks don't have the ability to order on-line, and the pain it would take to do call in orders, but it's pretty scary to think of all the touching going on, as well as proximity of simply those coughing. I've been ordering online for both my house, and mom's, and it still scares me to think of what might travel into my mother's house even with delivery. I wish they'd at minimum require some type of masks, and that they hand out gloves at the door.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Hats off to Oregon. They actually sent ventilators back to the national stockpile for redeployment after looking at models and comparing their inventory.

If there was a more coordinated national response many states would be doing this very thing right now. Then the redeployment of necessary resources marches across the country in as orderly of fashion as possible to areas with highest need. Thats easy to say and probably very hard to pull off. Ohio is taking a ventilator inventory, maybe already fully done, not sure. In hindsight, this is something that could have been a priority from the outset of the declaration of national emergency. It would have given a clear picture of state and national inventory in a sort of registry. Maybe Oahu can shed some light on this? It could already be known by the states and fed at this moment, idk. In which case the question is why arent states already shifting resources based on current needs?

 

[phork]

Then there is these people.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Even if people were told tomorrow that it was okay to work and be about, the food service industry will take years, if not decades, to get back to what it was. This situation will have significant long lasting consequences to the mental make-up on the American consumer. I am not just talking spending habits, but overall suspicion of everyone else's health. Seeing people in public with masks will become the norm. I am not saying everyone will continue wearing masks all the time, but in crowded places (think airport, concerts, etc., we should expect to see people wearing masks from now on. That visual will be a reminder of what has happened and will continue to influence habits henceforth.

 

[ACamp1900]

When I lived in Cleveland I would supplement my Income with Plasma donations.

I would normally say this brings up numerous questions,... but then I remember who posted it,...