COVID-19

[Irish YJ]

I have no idea why the patient was tested. Maybe something triggered a concern since he was in a long-term-care facility and they really need to exercise vigilance with that setting. Yes, I've heard it said that we should assume the true positive count is 10x what the reported is because asymptomatic persons are not being tested.

How are things in your local setting. You doing OK?

 

[SonofOahu]

Yes I understand in general the situation. What I would like to know, preferably from someone with direct knowledge, is why non-Covid patients are not being transferred to the Comfort. The Comfort was sent to NY specifically for this purpose but according to reports that I have seen, is that only 20 patients have been transferred there, leaving 980 beds empty and unused.

Hospitals all over the country are seeing this weird pre-hurricane situation, the calm before the storm. A lot of places have canceled elective procedures and shut down outpatient services, to reduce their overall exposure and risk while also preserving PPE. Combine this with less people going out and about (reducing incidents of trauma, simple injury, etc.) and hospital volumes are transitioning to a large percentage of COVID-19 activity. The ship is for non-CoV patients; if there aren't that many to transfer, the 1000 bed count is irrelevant.

 

[SonofOahu]

Looks like the states are on their own.

Trump admin tries to narrow stockpile’s role for states





Trump Replaced White House Pandemic-Response Team With Jared Kushner (Apr 2)

I fully expected the government to fail us. Nothing in Trump's past as a CEO led me to believe that his administration would be up to the task that, admittedly, not many would be able to handle. That's why we've pushed extremely hard to make our own inroads, as a state, and save ourselves.

 

[Irish YJ]

NORAD/NorthCom personnel shift to Cheyenne Mountain bunker due to virus spread

https://www.csindy.com/TheWire/arch...-cheyenne-mountain-bunker-due-to-virus-spread

 

[Circa]

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[Legacy]

What's the consensus on IE of the way the Trump admin has handled this? Trump seems to be getting panned in Ontario right now after the 3M stuff. Doug Ford who has long been a Trump admirer is pretty upset with him. Not sure why we're so surprised that a nationalist would use domestic companies to help his own country out first.

Will post a national poll in the Political Coronavirus thread.

https://www.irishenvy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335490&page=2

 

[Sea Turtle]

Lindsay Graham gets real. Says this is the 21st century. The Chinese government has got to stop their people from eating bats, monkeys, snakes, cats and dogs. This is just going to keep happening otherwise.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I've listened to a ton of sports related podcasts recently, and surprised we on IE haven't talked much about if/ when/ how football will be played in 2020.

1. When will teams be allowed to practice?
2. Will teams get NCAA approved make up time for lost spring ball?
3. When will schools allow everyone to return to campus?
4. Will games have full stadiums? Empty stadiums?
5. Will the season start on time?

I think numbers show we as a country can deal with losing an NBA season or an MLB season being cut in half. If we don't get our football, things could get ugly.

 

[Valpodoc85]

This will go on awhile and there likely will be a second spike. The odds of no fall sports are greater than some abbreviated season. Bigger question becomes what happens to eligibility? Give an extra year to current team members and the 2021 class gets screwed with the 85 scholly limit.

 

[ab2cmiller]

This will go on awhile and there likely will be a second spike. The odds of no fall sports are greater than some abbreviated season. Bigger question becomes what happens to eligibility? Give an extra year to current team members and the 2021 class gets screwed with the 85 scholly limit.

Most likely yes, given what they did with spring sports.

 

[Irish#1]

If for 1 second you think that people in charge have delivered Virus Patients to an already sanitized area was a mistake, I am beyond words anymore.
I'll just go crawl into my closet and cry until everyone gets the https://muledeer.org/chronic-wasting-disease/?gclid=CjwKCAjw4KD0BRBUEiwA7MFNTWmQp3-JijZxTiS8jTV3EWkNfGBJhLa_5n4polrnMplWB2U1KZhY8hoCBGEQAvD_BwE

If it were intentional why would they let it be known and catch all the flack?

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Sweden looks like they are ready to back track.

https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-mulls-u-turn-on-coronavirus-restrictions/a-53020024

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...thousands-of-deaths-amid-laxer-virus-response

 

[Circa]

If it were intentional why would they let it be known and catch all the flack?

Who knows. There are many pieces to this puzzle that'll take years of hard work and digging until we all really understand the scope of what Is transpiring in today's world.

Staying safe and Aware Is all we can do today.

 

[ulukinatme]

Sweden looks like they are ready to back track.

https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-mulls-u-turn-on-coronavirus-restrictions/a-53020024

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...thousands-of-deaths-amid-laxer-virus-response

These countries that wanted to implement "herd immunity" may have had the right idea on paper, but the problem is you're front loading a lot of new cases to achieve that and I don't think any country's hospital system is prepared for those kind s of numbers. This pandemic is also just a few months old, which is crazy to think. We don't know how this virus could yet mutate and create additional cases for those that have been previously infected. It's scary to think this thing could make another round in the not too distant future even after things have settled down.

 

[Circa]

This Is an Issue! I went to Walmart yesterday and they made us stand outside 6 feet apart at the front door, but when we got inside It was OK to stand next to everyone while checking out (spending Money).
The fact that they are treating tax exempt places like churches as an alienable right(left the Un out on purpose.) This Is against everything I have ever thought to be American!



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I go to the grocery store every day,” says the woman who is attending church services. <a href="https://t.co/iiO5hRswF6">pic.twitter.com/iiO5hRswF6</a></p>— Yashar Ali &#55357;&#56344; (@yashar) <a href="https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1246816324363276295?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ulukinatme]

This Is an Issue! I went to Walmart yesterday and they made us stand outside 6 feet apart at the front door, but when we got inside It was OK to stand next to everyone while checking out (spending Money).
The fact that they are treating tax exempt places like churches as an alienable right(left the Un out on purpose.) This Is against everything I have ever thought to be American!



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I go to the grocery store every day,” says the woman who is attending church services. <a href="https://t.co/iiO5hRswF6">pic.twitter.com/iiO5hRswF6</a></p>— Yashar Ali �� (@yashar) <a href="https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1246816324363276295?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I have no problem with states exempting churches from stay at home orders. In times like this people need God. Fortunately we have marvels of modern technology that do allow people to view services online, but sometimes that's not enough. People can employ social distancing while sitting in pews, even if it still poses a risk. Nearby the Solid Rock Christian Church (Of "Big Butter Jesus" fame) has had it's own battles with the state of Ohio as they refuse to close their doors. While the pragmatist in me says they should close up shop, I get that churches from a morality and spirituality standpoint should be one of the last places to close.

That said, compared to a grocery store you're far less likely to catch the virus at church. I've witnessed the lines outside Wal-Mart and the makeshift queues they've created with carts chained together. I went just yesterday to pick a few things up. You're right when they say people are scanning and checking out their groceries and they're not 6 feet apart. Staff isn't sanitizing merchandise after people pick something up and put it back down. Nobody's temperature is being checked on the way in. It's a necessary location for everyone, but it's also easily the least safe place you can go right now.

 

[PerthDomer]

Singing aerosolized it. No church currently open can call itself pro life with a straight face.

 

[Legacy]

I fully expected the government to fail us. Nothing in Trump's past as a CEO led me to believe that his administration would be up to the task that, admittedly, not many would be able to handle. That's why we've pushed extremely hard to make our own inroads, as a state, and save ourselves.

It's a tribute to our American culture that we take an optimistic approach, look out for each other, listen to the pain and lift each other up in small ways. So many of us on this board evidence the same support for each other and contribute with insight from our own situations and experiences.

I have family members across the country who are working in the ERs, on floors, with highly vulnerable people with home care, are retired from critical care. Another worked in hospital administration. All entered into those roles to provide caring and compassion to those in need of the services they could provide and the skills they worked to acquire. Another - as well as friends - teach in medical schools.

Early on there was an opportunity for Trump to evidence an understanding of state and local needs in this pandemic disaster as well as to unite and forge those types of caring with cooperation by taking the high road that supersedes politics and differences.

 

[Circa]

I have no problem with states exempting churches from stay at home orders. In times like this people need God. Fortunately we have marvels of modern technology that do allow people to view services online, but sometimes that's not enough. People can employ social distancing while sitting in pews, even if it still poses a risk. Nearby the Solid Rock Christian Church (Of "Big Butter Jesus" fame) has had it's own battles with the state of Ohio as they refuse to close their doors. While the pragmatist in me says they should close up shop, I get that churches from a morality and spirituality standpoint should be one of the last places to close.

That said, compared to a grocery store you're far less likely to catch the virus at church. I've witnessed the lines outside Wal-Mart and the makeshift queues they've created with carts chained together. I went just yesterday to pick a few things up. You're right when they say people are scanning and checking out their groceries and they're not 6 feet apart. Staff isn't sanitizing merchandise after people pick something up and put it back down. Nobody's temperature is being checked on the way in. It's a necessary location for everyone, but it's also easily the least safe place you can go right now.

I agree with you.
We as human beings aren't meant to live this life alone, especially during hard times like these. We are like school fish and die (at least inside) without other human interactions.

Now for me, I'm an introvert... I just need to know my kids are safe and for most people to just shut up....
I can understand for others not so much.. But, that's why being alive and human is so interesting.

 

[Circa]

Can our V-buck interest be upgraded? I'm feeling like 50% over the next few weeks would help me more...

 

[PerthDomer]

Wait in what world can you understand people packing into church pews?

 

[Circa]

Wait in what world can you understand people packing into church pews?

Obviously you havn't been to church in awhile... Or are out of touch with the reality some people are facing with the church as a whole over the last 20 years or so. Pews aren't packed unless It's an occasion (Christmas/Easter) which in and of itself is worrisome...
Pro-life arguments on a board about a disease that could change the reality of human existence Is kinda Ironic and odd all at the same time... Good Luck.

 

[PerthDomer]

I'm a regular church going Catholic. The majority of churches meeting are evangelical/Pentecostal. The type where you aerosolize/stand close lay on hands etc. We had a rural Washington cluster started from aerosolization during choir practice.

 

[calvegas04]

That said, compared to a grocery store you're far less likely to catch the virus at church.

LOL what? All churches should have web based services at this point until this passes

 

[Legacy]

I believe Whiskey terms this is an example of the failure of liberal economics.

In Desperation, New York State Pays Up to 15 Times the Normal Prices for Medical Equipment
State data shows that New York is paying enormous markups for vital supplies, including almost $250,000 for an X-ray machine. Laws against price gouging usually don’t apply.

US exported millions in masks, ventilators, other PPE ahead of coronavirus crisis here

 

[Bluto]

I think Newsome and California in general has done about as good a job on this as could be expected.

 

[Circa]

If at anytime in our lives we needed Deep Throat part 2. This Is that time...

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Masses for Easter

Masses for Easter

The closure of Catholic churches in our communities is especially sad in this Easter week for many of us ND alumni and all other Catholics.

The University, however, does have a very special option for us: Live-streamed Mass from our beautiful and beloved Basilica of the Sacred Heart on the ND campus!

As you can see if you go to the ND Campus Ministry site, we can participate in Mass via live (and recorded) streams.

Easter Mass will be streamed via CatholicTV at 10AM each Sunday.

catholictv(dot)org(slash)masses(slash)notre-dame-mass
The site also has a downloadable pdf Worship Aid available to help you follow along and participate in the Mass.

And the Tridum Masses are available on the Campus Ministry site.
campusministry(dot)nd(dot)edu

- Thursday, April 9, 5:00 p.m. ET, Mass of the Lord’s Supper
-*Friday, April 10, 3:00 p.m. ET, Celebration of the Lord’s Passion
-*Saturday, April 11, 9:00 p.m. ET, The Paschal Vigil Mass

Personally I have found that participating in Mass via stream feels a bit artificial and not too spiritual at times, but have made an effort (thanks to my wife) and it does bring me back to a spiritual reality that I really appreciate.

Hope you can participate!

 

[ulukinatme]

LOL what? All churches should have web based services at this point until this passes

Don't get me wrong, people should stay out of church whenever possible, but you're still far more likely to pickup the disease in a store compared to church. For one, services at church are generally a few a day with set times. There's very few people, if any, that are going to go to church during this time so you can open a handful of pews up and sterilize them afterwards. You can't do the same at stores, they're open most of the day with no time to really sterilize until after close (If they even do that). There's far more traffic in a store compared to a church throughout the day, and it's easier to practice social distancing at church. Again, not saying people should go to church during this crisis, but it can be a little harder for some people to get in touch with God from their computer screen and some people need that connection during this difficult time.

 

[Bluto]

Don't get me wrong, people should stay out of church whenever possible, but you're still far more likely to pickup the disease in a store compared to church. For one, services at church are generally a few a day with set times. There's very few people, if any, that are going to go to church during this time so you can open a handful of pews up and sterilize them afterwards. You can't do the same at stores, they're open most of the day with no time to really sterilize until after close (If they even do that). There's far more traffic in a store compared to a church throughout the day, and it's easier to practice social distancing at church. Again, not saying people should go to church during this crisis, but it can be a little harder for some people to get in touch with God from their computer screen and some people need that connection during this difficult time.

Some of the big clusters in South Korea were a direct result of people attending religious ceremonies/church.