COVID-19

[Riddickulous]

Statewide stay-at-home order in California.

 

[Irish YJ]

A couple US Senators just proposed a bill that would move most American pharmaceutical production out of China.

Finally a little common sense. I'm no isolationist, but I do think things have gotten so completely out of whack, and many might think I am. I simply don't want massive dependency for a few core components.

This is great. But, wars have been started over less money being cut off.
Scary, strange times we have to look forward to.

F'em

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/19/chloroquine-known-as-effective-against-coronavirus-since-2005/

Maybe some great news.

I mentioned earlier. It could certainly be a huge help. I hope we don't step on our own dicks.

I am waiting on test results for two people with symptoms who came in contact with someone who I had multiple contact with. They are now all in quarantine. Amazing how real it just got! I can even take food to my elderly Mother until I know the results.

Prayers.

I heard yesterday that "forcing" zinc into you system is good so I went to the vitamin shoppe and scored some military grade zinc.

..... and THIS is where that was coming from.

I'm dosing on zinc and mega vits.

Pages and pages back there was an infectiois disease expert on Joe Rogans podcast and he said warm weather siding is completely false.

Mentioned something about the most common coronavirus in humans exists in middle East from camels and it continues to thrive there in over 100° weather

Looking at the heat map, the near equator areas don't seem near as impacted. I'm sure there could be many reasons for that, but it is interesting. And if cases in the ME have been happening, they certainly have not been "thriving" or we would have seen outbreaks on par with our current situation long before. I don't think anyone knows.

We have been testing Chloroquinine for several weeks in many labs worldwide. The biggest claims come from China, and Western medicine wants to check things out fully. The medicine is approved for two other health problems, but it's US policy NOT to just wildly approve until things get clinical trials, AND proper levels of dosing can be estimated. In critical cases of individual doctor judgement, these sorts of drugs CAN already be used, but not with open FDA approval.

Obviously the thing is not a "cure", as places using it on humans (ex. China) would be very different.

Even if it's only a treatment, it could be huge. I'd love to understand the timing of the use relative to the spike and dive in cases (China).

The FDA needs to be overhauled. It's been a cluster for a very long time. A big reason SKO was so successful in getting ahead of this, is that they work closely with the private sector, and knock down regs with a quickness. We need to take note.

Spoke to my surgeon friend for 32 mins today. His workload is lightening until Tuesday due to canceling any non-essential surgeries.

He still thinks this is wildy over dramatized. Says the mortality rate is a joke. In many cases, especially in dense cities they only test you if you have severe symptoms and that's what the "mortality" rate is built off of.

Medium or mild symptoms, not getting a test in most cases. So for the worst of the worst the mortality rate is 1%?

A lot of the numbers we have now are a joke, but there is some basic common sense in them which tells everyone to stay the F at home and take it serious. I think after all is said and done, the mortality rate will be less than 1%, but I'm going to act like it's 10% right now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW — Sen. Kelly Loeffler Dumped Millions in Stock After Coronavirus Briefing<a href="https://t.co/qxKbzHXC2k">https://t.co/qxKbzHXC2k</a></p>— Sam Stein (@samstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1240803027193397248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: After assuring the public about the government's coronavirus preparedness, Senate Intel chair Richard Burr, in one day, sold off up to $1.6 million is stock. <br><br>A week later, the market began its fall. <br><br>His committee was receiving daily briefings.<a href="https://t.co/LlMDnKnYoQ">https://t.co/LlMDnKnYoQ</a></p>— Robert Faturechi (@RobertFaturechi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobertFaturechi/status/1240746141236359168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Selfishly I don't blame them for looking out for themselves. I do blame them for assuring the public, but I understand why they did it. F'd up situation.

 

[Circa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW — Sen. Kelly Loeffler Dumped Millions in Stock After Coronavirus Briefing<a href="https://t.co/qxKbzHXC2k">https://t.co/qxKbzHXC2k</a></p>— Sam Stein (@samstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1240803027193397248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: After assuring the public about the government's coronavirus preparedness, Senate Intel chair Richard Burr, in one day, sold off up to $1.6 million is stock. <br><br>A week later, the market began its fall. <br><br>His committee was receiving daily briefings.<a href="https://t.co/LlMDnKnYoQ">https://t.co/LlMDnKnYoQ</a></p>— Robert Faturechi (@RobertFaturechi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobertFaturechi/status/1240746141236359168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

i'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up but there was a food lady that had insider information and went to jail a few years back. All she had was a food show.
These politicians and everyone that has shorted the market with insider information should rot in jail.
Public lynchings should come back. They are killing us quicker then any virus could.

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Edit: I don't even believe in the death penalty. We should stand them in front of everyone and give them the virus. Let them deal with the Idea of death by themselves.

 

[IrishLax]

Spoke to my surgeon friend for 32 mins today. His workload is lightening until Tuesday due to canceling any non-essential surgeries.

He still thinks this is wildy over dramatized. Says the mortality rate is a joke. In many cases, especially in dense cities they only test you if you have severe symptoms and that's what the "mortality" rate is built off of.

Medium or mild symptoms, not getting a test in most cases. So for the worst of the worst the mortality rate is 1%?

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

 

[Irish YJ]

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

Not trying to be argumentative, but many doctors specifically have said the stats now are likely inflated due to test rates. Even in SKO, which did great in testing, only 00.3% of population have been tested. We know that symptoms vary widely (many don't know they have it), so we can assume many that had or even still have the virus, were never tested.

Like I've said before, I'm treating things like the mortality rate is 10% due to family situation, and encourage everyone to do the same. That said, I'm not sure what we think we know now (stats), is close to accurate. Really doesn't matter at this point, everyone simply needs to stay the F home if they can.

 

[Circa]

Not trying to be argumentative, but many doctors specifically have said the stats now are likely inflated due to test rates. Even in SKO, which did great in testing, only 00.3% of population have been tested. We know that symptoms vary widely (many don't know they have it), so we can assume many that had or even still have the virus, were never tested.

Like I've said before, I'm treating things like the mortality rate is 10% due to family situation, and encourage everyone to do the same. That said, I'm not sure what we think we know now (stats), is close to accurate. Really doesn't matter at this point, everyone simply needs to stay the F home if they can.

As we all know the numbers are forged and not a real representation of anything.
Just curious If you've caught any walleye or northern pike in gitche gumee?

 

[loomis41973]

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

Amazing how wrong you often are.

 

[irishff1014]

I turned on Fox News and caught the end of an interview saying a car manufacturer was going to start making ventilators instead of cars.

It’s Gm and Ford.

 

[loomis41973]

I turned on Fox News and caught the end of an interview saying a car manufacturer was going to start making ventilators instead of cars.

It’s Gm and Ford.

Tesla was what I heard. Hope they do a better job then they do at making cars.

 

[NorthDakota]

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

Pretty hard to know the actual mortality rate when plenty of people have it and dont even know they do lmao. Dont need to be a scientist to figure that out.

It is what it is.

 

[Irish YJ]

As we all know the numbers are forged and not a real representation of anything.
Just curious If you've caught any walleye or northern pike in gitche gumee?

I've fished it, but can't recall what we caught to be honest. We were fishing all over the place on a trip that took us through the Dells, to Duluth, north of Duluth, and then up to the Nestor Falls area. People get around more by boat than car in NF lol, and I know we caught both there. That area is kind of a trib of LS. IIRC, we didn't have near as much luck when fishing LS directly. I did bring back a ton of Rainbow Trout that trip. Had a big ole cookout for my buddies. That was many many moons ago though. Been wanting to get back up that way.

 

[Circa]

Amazing how wrong you often are.

I don't ever want t be accused of slander or attacking certain posters. It just seems you throw information around as If you are above the natural curiosity these forums are intended to bring up.
What do you know that some of us don't?
What information can you provide other than negative?
I'm serious about everything I read and listen to, I definitely hope you have the fortitude to give more than a sound bite.......

 

[Circa]

I've fished it, but can't recall what we caught to be honest. We were fishing all over the place on a trip that took us through the Dells, to Duluth, north of Duluth, and then up to the Nestor Falls area. People get around more by boat than car in NF lol, and I know we caught both there. That area is kind of a trib of LS. IIRC, we didn't have near as much luck when fishing LS directly. I did bring back a ton of Rainbow Trout that trip. Had a big ole cookout for my buddies. That was many many moons ago though. Been wanting to get back up that way.

I love It up there. I fished the Canadian side 20 plus years ago and had a hard time coming home to catch the small ones... Lol. The old fish stories come back to life if you've caught anything north of the border. Lake Superior being one. One of the best kept secrets there is.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Governor Newsom projects that 56% of Californians will be infected by COVID-19 over the next 8 weeks.<br><br>That’s 25.5 million people.<br><br>The fatality rate for COVID-19 is unknown, but might range from 1.4% to 3.4%.<br><br>That’s anywhere from 357,000 to 867,000 deaths.<br><br>Wow.<br><br>Just...wow.</p>— Armand Domalewski (@ArmandDoma) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArmandDoma/status/1240764938043322368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nah...

What's inaccurate? While I'll take the under on all of these doomsday predictions, the mortality rates this guy used aren't wild outlier. You may not like Newsom's prediction but that's not the point, I just passed on his statements that are compared with commonly used mortality rates.

More importantly... Can't believe ya negged me. That's #3 in 24k posts and 6 years. In fact, the last time I got negged, you actually sent me a PM saying that guy was a tool. You were right that night, you are wrong tonight.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/calif...of-calif-residents-will-contract-coronavirus/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/cor...the-state-will-get-virus-in-next-8-weeks.html

 

[BobbyMac]

Tesla was what I heard. Hope they do a better job then they do at making cars.

Woah Woah Woah... you can neg me but you don't get to neg my main man Musk.

I publicly neg you sir!

 

[loomis41973]

Woah Woah Woah... you can neg me but you don't get to neg my main man Musk.

I publicly neg you sir!

So sorry...I don't like snakes oil salesmen. Rep me how you will..makes me no matter. Where or how do you even find if that happens and what person cares?

 

[loomis41973]

What's inaccurate? While I'll take the under on all of these doomsday predictions, the mortality rates this guy used aren't wild outlier. You may not like Newsom's prediction but that's not the point, I just passed on his statements that are compared with commonly used mortality rates.

More importantly... Can't believe ya negged me. That's #3 in 24k posts and 6 years. In fact, the last time I got negged, you actually sent me a PM saying that guy was a tool. You were right that night, you are wrong tonight.

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/calif...of-calif-residents-will-contract-coronavirus/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/cor...the-state-will-get-virus-in-next-8-weeks.html

The infection rate for starters.

 

[Irishnuke]

From what l I am hearing from people working on this in California, is those numbers are precise with our current trajectory. They do not take into account any mitigation tactics that are being employed in some areas. I am thinking he will shut down the state now.

Yup. He did.

 

[Circa]

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[Irish YJ]

I love It up there. I fished the Canadian side 20 plus years ago and had a hard time coming home to catch the small ones... Lol. The old fish stories come back to life if you've caught anything north of the border. Lake Superior being one. One of the best kept secrets there is.

It was 20+ years ago for me too. It was one of my favorite fishing trips ever. Had a little cabin on the banks in Nestor Falls at our last stop during the trip. Caught all kinds of stuff and the nature was just incredible. On a different note, may sound funny, but I had great luck on a few hill billy vacations to the Indiana Beach area as a kid with my father. Between the lakes, damns, rivers, etc around there, caught everything from Walleye, Pike, Sager, all kinds of hybrids, and even a Muske. A ton of huge Cats too. I still remember my dad losing several poles over the years because he didn't pay attention to his line. I'd start by trying to catch small panfish, and then use them as bait. Good times.

 

[Irish YJ]

They were just just talking about very small testing on a cocktail of drugs. Very limited, but almost perfect results. Didn't catch the drugs, but got the feeling they were either comparing it to the malaria drug, or perhaps a cocktail including the malaria drug.

 

[BobbyMac]

The infection rate for starters.

That's Newsom's projections. He's the Governor. That's not some random stroke on Twitter. Don't neg the messenger.

I reneg you!

 

[Circa]

It was 20+ years ago for me too. It was one of my favorite fishing trips ever. Had a little cabin on the banks in Nestor Falls at our last stop during the trip. Caught all kinds of stuff and the nature was just incredible. On a different note, may sound funny, but I had great luck on a few hill billy vacations to the Indiana Beach area as a kid with my father. Between the lakes, damns, rivers, etc around there, caught everything from Walleye, Pike, Sager, all kinds of hybrids, and even a Muske. A ton of huge Cats too. I still remember my dad losing several poles over the years because he didn't pay attention to his line. I'd start by trying to catch small panfish, and then use them as bait. Good times.

My Grandfather was a ww2 veteran and had a cabin on O'Sullivan Lake, we would go in June after the snow melted and It was a time I know I took for granted back then.. It was some of the best times of my life and It's a memory I have a tough time with when thinking back.
Hillbilly stuff ain't all that bad... Builds a bit of character right?...

 

[Circa]

That's Newsom's projections. He's the Governor. That's not some random stroke on Twitter. Don't neg the messenger.

I reneg you!

That's what he does.
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[Sea Turtle]

Can you elaborate?

Sure. So my wife told me that she had heard about elderberry being good against viruses. I decided to do a little research and I saw where they did a double blind study on it with flu patients. The majority of the ones who took it recovered 4 days sooner than the ones who didn't.

My 14 year old son came down with a high fever and was so congested that he could hardly breathe. We took him to the minute clinic and he tested positive for the flu. He took elderberry that night and then the following morning. By that night, it was much better. The next day, it was shut down. Of course he had residual drainage and such.

We all take it every day now during the winter. I'm not saying it's going to stop the Covid-19 but man, it can't hurt.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

I quite literally never stick my nose in these ongoing pissing contests, but have to say it does get tiring reading post after post from you where you constantly think you're smarter than everybody else and know everything. You know ZERO more than Koon or anybody else about this situation and are directing him to read an article from CNN of all places..complete joke of a new outlet that explicitly states it is the authors opinion.

The "mortality rate" from country to country can be dependent on literally hundreds of different factors unique to each country, the demographics of its people, its healthcare capabilities, etc rather than true mortality rate of the illness in a vacuum. Considering every respected health profession who has spoken on the issue has agreed that we have possibly hundreds of thousands of people walking around infected and completely asymptomatic, basic common sense lends itself to the fact that the mortality rate is WAY lower than what is being reported...the problem is if anything is is impossible to pinpoint exactly how low since we're not testing people who arent showing symptoms and in most cases not testing even those showing minor symptoms in the US. So the statistical data currently available is overwhelmed by only serious/critical, fatal, or people showing symptoms.

Your analysis is like trying to calculate the number of people who drive drunk by reporting statistics that show the number of drunk drivers as a percentage of drivers, but only accounting for the drivers who are actually pulled over for traffic violations and acting like there arent hundreds of thousands of people who get behind the wheel over the limit annually but somehow make it home safe and without police intervention.

You need to chill dude...your constant "I know everything, I'm right, you're wrong" attitude is unbecoming.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is all bullsh*t, like virtually every post you have made on this topic. They have mortality rates from many places with widespread, comprehensive testing. In South Korea, it's 1% because of the level of care everyone has access to and it affecting an extremely young populous.

So your BEST CASE is 1% in a perfectly managed country under absolutely ideal conditions that we don't have here... your "worst of worst" sure as fuck isn't 1%. People like you are the problem. Stop spreading misinformation and read an article or something -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

He’s right one one point at least,... I can’t get tested. My wife and I have a few symptoms, not feeling well,... but are being rejected from tested/swabbing because we aren’t showing enough symptoms I’m told.

* honestly,... I’ve never felt ‘like this’ (not in a dramatic way, but in a ‘different’ way, my throat is never THIS SORE and I’m short of breath in a strange way) and I don’t think it’s my imagination. I think I have it, but can’t confirm,..

 

[BobbyMac]

Sure. So my wife told me that she had heard about elderberry being good against viruses. I decided to do a little research and I saw where they did a double blind study on it with flu patients. The majority of the ones who took it recovered 4 days sooner than the ones who didn't.

My 14 year old son came down with a high fever and was so congested that he could hardly breathe. We took him to the minute clinic and he tested positive for the flu. He took elderberry that night and then the following morning. By that night, it was much better. The next day, it was shut down. Of course he had residual drainage and such.

We all take it every day now during the winter. I'm not saying it's going to stop the Covid-19 but man, it can't hurt.

Thx bro. I asked mama about it earlier and she knew something about it (she's a bit of a hippie chick and a dental professional) She scored some at the corner health food store. Now for the important stuff:

How's it taste in Grey Goose?

 

[Irish YJ]

That's Newsom's projections. He's the Governor. That's not some random stroke on Twitter. Don't neg the messenger.

I reneg you!

What I find interesting, is that listening only to the doctors (not politicians) over the past several weeks, they are getting more and more measured with what they say. Earlier, they were more willing to discuss things like inflation of stats (due to lack of good data) and were honest about shortcomings.... , however now they are using more absolute terminology (which we know still lacks good data). Assuming they simply don't want to be accused of downplaying right now, even if their opinions are logic based.

Two things that have stuck out to me. One doctor said it's highly possible that well over 50% of the infected will never know they had the virus, and will simply be spreaders, and many more will simply think they have a minor cold or cough for a very short period of time, and never seek testing or treatment. The other is the cruise ship incidents where several positive adults said they had no symptoms. Not sure if they ever released stats from those ships or tested everyone, but it would be an excellent case study if there was indeed mass spread.

In short, I think many are rightfully painting a worst case picture, and doing so not to cause panic, but to simply minimize impact. It'll be interesting to see how we look back on this when it's over and we have all the data.

 

[Irish YJ]

My Grandfather was a ww2 veteran and had a cabin on O'Sullivan Lake, we would go in June after the snow melted and It was a time I know I took for granted back then.. It was some of the best times of my life and It's a memory I have a tough time with when thinking back.
Hillbilly stuff ain't all that bad... Builds a bit of character right?...

NW of Thunder Bay I see. That whole area above and around LS is awesome. I'd love to be shut in right now anywhere up there.

I really miss Hillbilly. We all take stuff for granted when we're little shits growing up. I had times like that fishing under Dunbar Bridge with my grandfather.