gkautz10
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Unethical people do not have remorse. Hell hardly anyone has it anymore it seems like.
CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND
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Unethical people do not have remorse. Hell hardly anyone has it anymore it seems like.
ThePiombino
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Apples to oranges - I think you're flying solo on this one.
gkautz10
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Agreed. I wonder what action was taken after the previous incident/s. I know where I went, the first time was up to the professor but it was encouraged that the student obviously failed the assignment and turned into the dean and the president. The 2nd offense meant you were basically screwed and out. Some people just don't know when to stop putting their hand on the hot stove.
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Can we stop with this moral superiority circle-jerk? I went to a SEC school. Many of my friends and I would've done the same thing.
You guys know integrity exists outside South Bend, Indiana right?
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My dad always told me it was never what I did that got me in trouble it was the fact that I lied about it.
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Bogtrotter07
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Judge not least ye be judged!
May be one of the least understood quotes attributed to Jesus. Most people get some moral superiority out of it, (especially in the King James version.) That is certainly "wearing" it wrong!
Some people weave a touch of empathy into it.
What it is really about is not the offender, but those standing around, innocent of anything. So it is for you, not EG. Suspending your beliefs when you don't know shiit, stops feeding your ego. As some aptly pointed out last week, the ego feeds you lies. So, if you don't make a judgment about EG, the other kid, or anything to do with what happened, you don't have to appear to be a dickhead! Simple, no?
But that is really tough on the interwebs, which cry out for you to act like an as$hole because nobody knows it is really you.
May be one of the least understood quotes attributed to Jesus. Most people get some moral superiority out of it, (especially in the King James version.) That is certainly "wearing" it wrong!
Some people weave a touch of empathy into it.
What it is really about is not the offender, but those standing around, innocent of anything. So it is for you, not EG. Suspending your beliefs when you don't know shiit, stops feeding your ego. As some aptly pointed out last week, the ego feeds you lies. So, if you don't make a judgment about EG, the other kid, or anything to do with what happened, you don't have to appear to be a dickhead! Simple, no?
But that is really tough on the interwebs, which cry out for you to act like an as$hole because nobody knows it is really you.
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Worst case scenario in '14: Hendrix denies his 5Y option and Golson doesn't come back. ND is left with Zaire and Kizer and that's it. Yikes!
Personally, I think the staff should plan for the worst and take two QBs in '14 and then see how it plays out for '15. I'd actually be ok w/ two in '14 and two in '15 even if Golson does come back. Reason being is that QB depth seems to be an issue and "oversigning" within this position for the next couple of years gives the staff all the data they need to find the right guy for the system. We've seen guys become pleasant surprises, but we've also see guys become total busts. Why not give yourself the best opportunity to find "the guy" and also fix the temporary lack of depth at this crucial position? The numbers will always work themselves out and at that point they can go back to signing one QB per year.
Just my thoughts.
Personally, I think the staff should plan for the worst and take two QBs in '14 and then see how it plays out for '15. I'd actually be ok w/ two in '14 and two in '15 even if Golson does come back. Reason being is that QB depth seems to be an issue and "oversigning" within this position for the next couple of years gives the staff all the data they need to find the right guy for the system. We've seen guys become pleasant surprises, but we've also see guys become total busts. Why not give yourself the best opportunity to find "the guy" and also fix the temporary lack of depth at this crucial position? The numbers will always work themselves out and at that point they can go back to signing one QB per year.
Just my thoughts.
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I would rather convert Massa back, and or convert Kinlaw, than take two this year with the better class in '15.
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yep either convert an existing player to QB or recruit an ATH who is happy to not spend 4 years at QB potentially.
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I think it's an interesting discussion to have considering it's one of the most important positions on the field and this team has national championship goals every year moving forward.
Kinlaw still has a good bit of rehab to do, right? Not sure he's a great option for immediate depth (unless I'm thinking of someone else).
There also isn't a guarantee that ND can land two QBs in '15. The selection is definitely better, but that's a gamble to think ND can land one of the elite QBs and perhaps two if needed. (I'm sure one is likely given the staff's track record, but two is a different story). I just feel like they should get it why the gettin's good. I'd give Dawkins the green light, personally....but after reading the update, it looks like the staff is moving in the opposite direction.
I just feel that if the staff only takes one this year and ends up with only one next year, they'll be at 3/4 if Golson doesn't come back. If he does, great. But "what if" he doesn't and what if you get 1) an injury 2) a transfer or 3) a bust. Suddenly what's an already thin depth chart, becomes terrifying and potentially season-crippling.
I'm probably over-analyzing the situation. It's a slow work day...
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On one hand I can't believe he would be reckless enough to cheat multiple times...
One the other hand, I can't believe a student would snitch on the star QB. I mean... it's the right thing to do... but wow. Only at ND...
One the other hand, I can't believe a student would snitch on the star QB. I mean... it's the right thing to do... but wow. Only at ND...
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I tried repping but I have to 'spread it around'.
I have some eligibility left. I'm gonna get my tape out to coach today. Are there any mountains in South Bend? Just asking in case they want me to come throw for them.
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I'd like to know how he was found to be cheating when it wasn't the professor who caught him. What type of procedures are in place to catch these kind of things?
On the other hand, maybe he just admitted to it when it first came up, and the discussion is dead.
On the other hand, maybe he just admitted to it when it first came up, and the discussion is dead.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23NotreDame">#NotreDame</a> coach Brian Kelly: "Tommy (Rees) doesn't have to fight for the No. 1 job."</p>— Dan Murphy (@BGI_DanMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGI_DanMurphy/status/344850235387949056">June 12, 2013</a></blockquote>
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However you feel about cheating, snitching is worse. There are two crimes I would go to the police about: child molestation and rape. Otherwise, let the authorities do their own job and mind your own business.
Having said all of that, Golson deserves to get put on timeout if he was cheating. I'm not OK with cheating, I just don't condone snitching.
Having said all of that, Golson deserves to get put on timeout if he was cheating. I'm not OK with cheating, I just don't condone snitching.
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Golson should not have cheated the first time.
He sure as heck should not have cheated again after being caught.
The student who turned him in should have minded his/her own business, not because its the starting QB but because a person should not turn someone in for every wrong they commit in life, whether it was Golson or average student. If you can intervene or turn someone in to help someone in danger or need that is heroic, if you are turning someone in otherwise you should probably stay out of it and not be a rat, tattle tail, etc. Also I would hazard a guess that the student did not turn Golson in bc they thought it was ethical but because they were concerned about their own grade or how they would be affected.
When Golson knew he was caught he should have informed the coaches immediately. Yes, it would be hard to tell them you let them down, but many things in life are difficult and it comes with the territory if you want to be a leader. It also could have been the first step in Golson taking responsibility for his actions and getting back on track.
He sure as heck should not have cheated again after being caught.
The student who turned him in should have minded his/her own business, not because its the starting QB but because a person should not turn someone in for every wrong they commit in life, whether it was Golson or average student. If you can intervene or turn someone in to help someone in danger or need that is heroic, if you are turning someone in otherwise you should probably stay out of it and not be a rat, tattle tail, etc. Also I would hazard a guess that the student did not turn Golson in bc they thought it was ethical but because they were concerned about their own grade or how they would be affected.
When Golson knew he was caught he should have informed the coaches immediately. Yes, it would be hard to tell them you let them down, but many things in life are difficult and it comes with the territory if you want to be a leader. It also could have been the first step in Golson taking responsibility for his actions and getting back on track.
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That's interesting. I can't decide if that is more telling about Rees' development or Hendrix's apparent lack of development. If the case is the latter, Maybe it's not too big of a deal if Hendrix doesn't stick around for his 5th, and the Malik Zaire era can begin!
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Good to know others can cheat, steal, blackmail, injure, and murder others in front of you.
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Thats actually a damn good reason to turn someone in. If my class is being graded on a strict curve, and I see someone cheating, I'm turning them in for my sake and for the sake of every other kid in that classroom.
Universities are serious business (no sarcasm). There are plenty of kids who are hanging on to GPA assessed scholarships by the skin of their teeth. If I see someone trying to screw me and my classmates over by circumventing the system you better believe I'll turn them in.
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Yeah, I'm just a big free zone. I'm like Switzerland, and whenever I arrive anywhere I'm always sure to announce that everyone is now free to start murdering and robbing people.
In all seriousness, if that stuff went on in front if me I would do what I could to stop it. That is my moral responsibility. As far as solving the crime, that ain't my job. Somebody gets paid to do it. I'll let them handle it.
How do you guys know the student wasn't in fact a friend of Golson? How do you guys know the student did not give Golson a chance to turn himself in?
What is in Golson's best interest? Being caught in his sin and having the chance to own up to it now, or getting away with it and developing a habit of cheating to get by?
Hazarding a guess will almost always make you look stupid. You have no facts, you have nothing. Why are you so upset about this? Be honest. Because this other student's actions affected your football watching experience. Who is the selfish one now?
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I see this as a pretty obvious statement and nothing that should be alarming. If the #1 is gone then the #2 is your man. He's not saying that things can't or won't change but who is the number #1 QB right now and who is most likely to win that job, Tommy Rees.
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Seriously? Obviously getting away with stuff is better than getting caught. What is this? An afternoon special? Be serious.
How do you know the student is the one who tried to "handle [solving] it?"
For a lawyer, you're sure full of conclusions based on speculation and supposition.
I am serious. What I am is not part-time ethical, part-time whore when it suits me.
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100 posts in, and you have a dossier on all of the other posters?
This isn't my job. This is a message board. My opinion is snitching is wrong - even more wrong than cheating. I don't really care if the other student tried to resolve it on his own first. Ultimately he decided to rat.
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Ugh. I'm all for Tommy being the starter (Team Tommy here), but I still want him to be hungry and fight for it every day in practice, knowing that he has to beat someone else out. I know he's a hard worker and everything, but it's just something about competition that brings out the best in many people.