Coaches Hot Seat '17 CFB

[Irish YJ]

Right. Tennessee is, at best, the fourth-best job open this year (behind Florida, UCLA, A&M). And you could certainly argue that Nebraska’s more appealing, or ASU, or even Mississippi State. Especially after yesterday’s shitshow.
They need to lower their sites a bit and get an up-and-comer, ideally one who’s a known commodity to their fan base. Mike Norvell, or Tee Martin, jump to mind.

I'd take TN over FL and A&M. Better facilities, more money, bigger fan base. They do need to lower their expectations right now, but they are a program that can rebound. FL will be the 3rd best team in the state (right now they are probably 5th best). They are in the SEC East, but being third recruiting in your own state is hard.... A&M will never be better than 2 or 3 in the state, and will never rule the SEC West. TN will always be #1 in the state (popularity), and sits in the SEC East which is a winnable place to be. Nebraska isn't a bad place, but it's just not a sexy place and will never be a place that recruits top 10 in the nation.

 

[irishog77]

I'd take TN over FL and A&M. Better facilities, more money, bigger fan base. They do need to lower their expectations right now, but they are a program that can rebound. FL will be the 3rd best team in the state (right now they are probably 5th best). They are in the SEC East, but being third recruiting in your own state is hard.... A&M will never be better than 2 or 3 in the state, and will never rule the SEC West. TN will always be #1 in the state (popularity), and sits in the SEC East which is a winnable place to be. Nebraska isn't a bad place, but it's just not a sexy place and will never be a place that recruits top 10 in the nation.

I can't decide if the people who think tennessee is a shit job, or some 2nd-3rd tier job, are 16 years old, or are just not aware of the overall college landscape. And again, I am somebody that hates the school and team.

 

[T Town Tommy]

petrino is a tough sell, no doubt. tennessee's fans' righteousness is fleeting though. If Schiano had a better resume, none of the fans would care. The "scandalous" aspect of Schiano was an easy scapegoat for fans to flex their muscle because they simply wanted a better footbaw coach.

The "scandalous" part of Schiano was that he was specifically mentioned by McQueary in his deposition as knowing that the abuse by Sandusky was taking place. Doesn't mean it's true but I can see where the fans of any school would be hesitant to roll out the red carpet for a guy who could have possibly been involved with the whole mess. The bad thing in all this is that Currie didn't seem to have an issue with it - or he was completely tone deaf to it altogether. Either way, it is a bad look for him.

 

[Irish YJ]

I can't decide if the people who think tennessee is a shit job, or some 2nd-3rd tier job, are 16 years old, or are just not aware of the overall college landscape. And again, I am somebody that hates the school and team.

besides the money and facilities, TN can lock down recruiting in their state which is pretty decent with talent. With the right coach, they can get back to the top of the SEC East. They have a good history/story, but it is history at this point. SEC east and #1 in the state is pretty attractive to even someone that is 16

 

[Irish YJ]

The "scandalous" part of Schiano was that he was specifically mentioned by McQueary in his deposition as knowing that the abuse by Sandusky was taking place. Doesn't mean it's true but I can see where the fans of any school would be hesitant to roll out the red carpet for a guy who could have possibly been involved with the whole mess. The bad thing in all this is that Currie didn't seem to have an issue with it - or he was completely tone deaf to it altogether. Either way, it is a bad look for him.

i googled it earlier... supposedly from sources, he was the one that reported abuse up the chain.

 

[T Town Tommy]

i googled it earlier... supposedly from sources, he was the one that reported abuse up the chain.

That's my take on it as well. But nothing was done after he reported it... by him or anyone else. That's the whole concern I would think.

 

[NDohio]

I can't decide if the people who think tennessee is a shit job, or some 2nd-3rd tier job, are 16 years old, or are just not aware of the overall college landscape. And again, I am somebody that hates the school and team.

Neither. I remember when TN was relevant. I am sure I am older than you.

Tennessee's recruiting base has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk over the years. When Phil was there they were able to recruit throughout the southeast with great success. Those days are gone. Too many other programs have made in roads to those recruiting areas. TN high school football is a joke so there is limited in-state talent. Say FL and TA&M are the third best schools in their State, they still have more talent to choose from than the entire State of TN.

Sure they have great facilities, sure they have a nice history(you said it though - how many sixteen year old recruits remember when TN was good), they obviously have a huge fan base, etc. But, IMO, they are Nebraska...

 

[Irish YJ]

That's my take on it as well. But nothing was done after he reported it... by him or anyone else. That's the whole concern I would think.

i'm not saying he shouldn't have done more, but even if what is said is true, he is the one that reported it. personally i would have sent someone to their maker had I saw something like that, but it's not like he hid it, or supported the behavior. he reported it, and may have assumed it was being handled.

 

[NDbrbkny]

Now Schiano is considering suing....

 

[irishog77]

Neither. I remember when TN was relevant. I am sure I am older than you.

Tennessee's recruiting base has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk over the years. When Phil was there they were able to recruit throughout the southeast with great success. Those days are gone. Too many other programs have made in roads to those recruiting areas. TN high school football is a joke so there is limited in-state talent. Say FL and TA&M are the third best schools in their State, they still have more talent to choose from than the entire State of TN.

Sure they have great facilities, sure they have a nice history(you said it though - how many sixteen year old recruits remember when TN was good), they obviously have a huge fan base, etc. But, IMO, they are Nebraska...

When majors and Fulmer were there, they recruited nationally. The HS school talent in the state of TN isn't shit, nor is HS FB a joke. It isn't as good as GA, FL, TX, CA, etc, but who is? Per capita, yeah, AL, SC, and MS are better, but TN has about 6.5 million people and is 20th in state population. There are good players in TN. There isn't another school to rival them in state either, unlike places like SC, NC, MS, and AL. Tuscaloosa, AL and Auburn, AL are both shit towns with little local talent. That's why they recruit within 3-5 hours from them. Within 3-5 hours of Knoxville there is almost the entire states of TN, KY, VA, NC, SC, and GA, and then throw in north AL and southern OH. In case you didn't notice, Butch Jones was recruiting quite well there, at least according to the same guys and sites we get our recruiting info from- Rivals, 247, espn, and Scout. Getting talent has never been a problem at tennessee. Developing talent has. Even the bumbling, incompetent boob Dooley was able to recruit ok in Knoxville.

 

[dwshade]

Now Schiano is considering suing....

He has to be due some sort of settlement you would think.

 

[ACamp1900]

When majors and Fulmer were there, they recruited nationally. The HS school talent in the state of TN isn't shit, nor is HS FB a joke. It isn't as good as GA, FL, TX, CA, etc, but who is? Per capita, yeah, AL, SC, and MS are better, but TN has about 6.5 million people and is 20th in state population. There are good players in TN. There isn't another school to rival them in state either, unlike places like SC, NC, MS, and AL. Tuscaloosa, AL and Auburn, AL are both shit towns with little local talent. That's why they recruit within 3-5 hours from them. Within 3-5 hours of Knoxville there is almost the entire states of TN, KY, VA, NC, SC, and GA, and then throw in north AL and southern OH. In case you didn't notice, Butch Jones was recruiting quite well there, at least according to the same guys and sites we get our recruiting info from- Rivals, 247, espn, and Scout. Getting talent has never been a problem at tennessee. Developing talent has. Even the bumbling, incompetent boob Dooley was able to recruit ok in Knoxville.

Everything about Tennessee sucks... it's basically Kentucky's Mexico.

 

[irishog77]

Everything about Tennessee sucks... it's basically Kentucky's Mexico.

You're just jealous because you actually live...in Mexico.

 

[NDohio]

When majors and Fulmer were there, they recruited nationally. The HS school talent in the state of TN isn't shit, nor is HS FB a joke. It isn't as good as GA, FL, TX, CA, etc, but who is? Per capita, yeah, AL, SC, and MS are better, but TN has about 6.5 million people and is 20th in state population. There are good players in TN. There isn't another school to rival them in state either, unlike places like SC, NC, MS, and AL. Tuscaloosa, AL and Auburn, AL are both shit towns with little local talent. That's why they recruit within 3-5 hours from them. Within 3-5 hours of Knoxville there is almost the entire states of TN, KY, VA, NC, SC, and GA, and then throw in north AL and southern OH. In case you didn't notice, Butch Jones was recruiting quite well there, at least according to the same guys and sites we get our recruiting info from- Rivals, 247, espn, and Scout. Getting talent has never been a problem at tennessee. Developing talent has. Even the bumbling, incompetent boob Dooley was able to recruit ok in Knoxville.

The only way this is ever going to be resolved is if we reconvene here in five years and see where TN is then. I believe TN is a dumpster fire and won't recover for quite some time.

Now, the only thing that might rescue them is if Tee gets hired and he turns out great. I don't believe this latest fiasco will allow them to go out and get a top name coach.

 

[ACamp1900]

You're just jealous because you actually live...in Mexico.

Latinas for days...

 

[Irish YJ]

but the cute coeds with dresses, cowboy boots, and twangs is worth a visit to Knox on game day.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Carne asada and not having to eat Chipotle for days...

FTFY

 

[tko]

He has to be due some sort of settlement you would think.

So is Schiano not welcomed back to Columbus? Did Urban move on already?

 

[BGIF]

Another opening ... another show

Another opening ... another show

Rice Owls fire football coach David Bailiff

Rice has parted ways with football coach David Bailiff after 11 seasons, according to the school's director of athletics.

"Just hasn't been there with the wins and losses the last couple of years, and felt like this was the time that we needed to reset that," director of athletics Joe Karlgaard told KRIV-TV on Monday.

Rice was 1-11 overall and 1-7 in Conference USA play this season.

Bailiff was the Conference USA coach of the year in 2008 and 2013. He led the Owls to their first outright conference championship in 56 years in 2013, when the team finished 10-4.

Since 2015, Rice has failed to reach a bowl game and is 9-27 overall.

 

[NDohio]

So is Schiano not welcomed back to Columbus? Did Urban move on already?

What I had heard going into yesterday is that Urban had asked that GS not leave until after the Big Ten Championship Game. I would think he is welcomed back.

 

[dwshade]

So is Schiano not welcomed back to Columbus? Did Urban move on already?

If an agreement had been reached but the UT backed out of it it seems Schiano should have some sort of case. But I'm no lawyer.

 

[BGIF]

Now Schiano is considering suing....

He has too. The fans threatened to make it a real dumpster fire so UTN dumped him but not for coaching ability. With that on the table how many other schools would even interview him? A suit risks mucking through the PSU papers. If there is no connection between Schiano and knowledge of the offenses then it serves him. UTN will make a settlement.

 

[ACamp1900]

Any time any hater tells you Notre Dame is an embarrassment or irrelevant or a dumpster fire etc... etc.. etc... just shrug and say, "well, could be worse, we could be Nebraska or Tennessee...."

 

[BGIF]

Any time any hater tells you Notre Dame is an embarrassment or irrelevant or a dumpster fire etc... etc.. etc... just shrug and say, "well, could be worse, we could be Nebraska or Tennessee...."

... and it could get worse at Tennessee.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...fed-in-flames-lane-kiffin-waits-by-his-phone/
There is still a way for the Vols to save face on the football front: Bring back Lane Kiffin
Dennis Dodd


I can't believe I'm writing this, but Lane Kiffin would bring stability to Tennessee right about now.

Incredibly, the Boy King who made Vols fans cringe at the term "one-and-done" resembles more of a rock for Tennessee to lean on than the rock-star coach image he has cultivated.

Seriously. This is not to trivialize what transpired between Greg Schiano and the Vols during an unprecedented Sunday. It's not to overlook what Schiano may or may not have known in the Jerry Sandusky case while at Penn State.

It's a realization of where Tennessee stands at the moment. In a silly season that includes the most SEC openings in 71 years, the return of Chip Kelly and the firing of Texas A&M's most successful coach in 20 years, one truth had emerged even before the Schiano drama played out.

There weren't going to be enough home-run hires to go around. Some Power Five or another was going to be left hanging. Tennessee continues to be that school.
Even if Schiano had ducked the politicized, frenzied, group drive-by that got him Sunday, he wasn't that home run. Not even close.

His effort at Rutgers from 2001-11 was admirable, but his record was mediocre. The same can be said for his time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. As Ohio State's defensive coordinator, Schiano is completing his fourth year away from being a head coach.
Tennessee would have been getting a square-jawed, no-nonsense guy who had a double-nickel hung on his defense this season by Iowa.

Amazingly, with Kiffin, Tennessee would know exactly what it is getting. Quirky, cocky and tweet-obsessed beats national political firestorm any day.

HERE IT COMES ...

Oh yeah, and Kiffin is a proven winner as a college coach. As Lane himself likes to point out, his career winning percentage (.642) is similar to that of Brian Kelly at Notre Dame (.677). ...


All you naysayers heard it from Kiffen and Dodd, "Brian Kelly is a proven winner as a college coach".

Gee maybe Kiffen will come to South Bend.

 

[drayer54]

Kiffin isn't a bad coach. He's just a douche.

Ohh and no way in hell he is welcome back in Knoxville. They'd prefer a pedophile.

 

[NDbrbkny]

Grandpa dave cutcliffe said no to ut also

The name i am hearing thrown about is former ut qb tee martin

 

[BGIF]

Grandpa dave cutcliffe said no to ut also

The name i am hearing thrown about is former ut qb tee martin

UTN screwed up with Cutcliffe on a previous go around. He does not need their cesspool.


As for Tee, "Come home to mama!"

I think he'd be smart to get some HC experience elsewhere first. The Knoxville crowd is not above filicide.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kiffin isn't a bad coach. He's just a douche.

Ohh and no way in hell he is welcome back in Knoxville. They'd prefer a pedophile.

Kiffin was getting outcoached by BK. He lost in the Coliseum in 2010 with Tommy as a true freshman leading our offense. He got lucky in 2011 after Tommy got knocked out of the game and Crist unfortunately fumbled the game away. He lost again in 2012 before getting left at the curb prior to our 2013 meeting. Yeah, he's done pretty well this year with a program that was 3-9 last season, but this is also the most success he's really had as a college head coach. Maybe Saban did rub off on him a little. Lets not overlook the fact FAU's schedule has been pretty manageable.

 

[NDohio]

Note from a Penn State Trustee on Schiano:

Southern Baptist Pastor Rick Warren famously said, "A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority."

My name is Anthony Lubrano and I am a Trustee at Penn State. I believe fervently in due process, no matter how politically incorrect that position can be.

Since becoming a Penn State Trustee in 2012, I have made it my life's work to review, study and learn every detail of what is referred to as the Sandusky scandal.

I have poured over depositions, attended nearly every court proceeding, and I am now in the process of reviewing all the source material Louis Freeh purportedly relied upon to prepare his report (which has since been discredited by every legal expert who has read it).

I can confidently say that Coach Greg Schiano had nothing to do with the Sandusky scandal. Any stories about his involvement are completely uncorroborated and without basis in fact. To impugn Mr. Schiano's character based on hearsay alone is irresponsible and unfair.

It is disappointing that University of Tennessee officials have been influenced by the voices (and keyboards) of a grossly uninformed social media mob. Had they sought to understand the truth of the matter, and stood firm in their offer, they would have seen firsthand the benefits of hiring a man of high integrity and strong character.

What TN fans did to Schiano is almost criminal.

 

[Black Irish]

Note from a Penn State Trustee on Schiano:



What TN fans did to Schiano is almost criminal.

And hugely stupid. I'm not buying the moral preening of all these Vols. I think they felt that they deserved better than a coordinator, even a top-notch one like Schiano, to take over the HC job. A lot of them probably think they should be landing someone like Chip Kelly or Dan Mullen, so when the Schiano offer came to light, they freaked. Then the social media mob formed and the "he helped cover up for Sandusky" echo chamber reached critical mass in no time flat. Game Over.