Coaches Hot Seat '17 CFB

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Coaches Hot Seat Ranking
Wednesday, July 5, 2017


Coacheshotseat.com puts 30 coaches on the hot seat with our own Brian Kelly in the #2 slot, just a hair behind Mississippi's Hugh Freeze (5-7 last season).


2017 Notre Dame Opponents

HOT SEAT (numbers 1-30)
BC Steve Addazio at #20 is the only Hot Seat Coach on ND's '17 Schedule.


EDGE OF THE HOT SEAT (numbers 31-45)

UGA Kirby Smart just missed the Hot Seat Group at #31, the first slot in the EOTHS.

WF Dave Clawson #36

MSU Mark Dantonio #38


SAFE FOR NOW (numbers 46-128)

NCS Dave Doeren #55

UNC Larry Fedora #59

MOH Chuck Martin #91

Navy Ken Niumatalolo #102

USC Chuck Helton #107

STAN David Shaw #110

MIA Mark Richt #111

TEM Geoff Collins #116


Some are ranked low from a Hot Seat perspective because of their success, others because they are in the honeymoon phase at a new employer.
 

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Dennis Dodd's Hot Seat Coaches

Dennis Dodd's Hot Seat Coaches

2017 College Football Hot Seat Rankings: Evaluating job security of all 130 coaches - CBSSports.com


RATING WHAT IT MEANS COACHES
5 Win or be fired 2
4 Start improving now 4
3 Pressure is mounting 15
2 All good ... for now 31
1 Safe and secure 66
0 Untouchable 12

Dodd has Brian Kelly as Most Likely Not To Return, #1 in his Win or be fired category.


2017 NOTRE DAME SCHEDULED OPPONENTS

RATING 5 Win or be fired None

RATING 4 Start improving now None

RATING 3 Pressure is mounting 1
BC Steve Addazio

RATING 2 All good ... for now 3
MOH Chuck Martin

NCS Dave Doeren

WF Dave Clawson


RATING 1 Safe and secure 6

TEM Geoff Collins

UGA Kirby Smart

MSU Mark Dantonio

UNC Larry Fedora9

USC Chuck Helton

MIA Mark Richt


RATING 0 Untouchable 2
Navy Ken Niumatalolo

STAN David Shaw
 

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Just to put the contrary opinion out there:

Coach Kelly="3".
Will win at least eight and administration will ignore howling fans and give the Kelly/Elko staff more time to get to double digits.

Let the railing begin...........
 

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I still stick by, if we win 8 and see a solid defense take the field, BK will be back.
 

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Just to put the contrary opinion out there:

Coach Kelly="3".
Will win at least eight and administration will ignore howling fans and give the Kelly/Elko staff more time to get to double digits.

Let the railing begin...........

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If this were year one, two or even three, I could get behind that. But the fact of the matter is that ND has at least a top 15 roster, if not top ten roster based on recruiting rankings. If they win 8 games, that is yet another year that is below expectations. Based on roster rankings alone, ND should be 10-2. Yes, the season doesn't play out like that, but really 10-2 +/- one game should be the expectation for the regular season. I really don't see how that is unreasonable.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...tball-recruiting-rankings-2017-multiple-years
 

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If this were year one, two or even three, I could get behind that. But the fact of the matter is that ND has at least a top 15 roster, if not top ten roster based on recruiting rankings. If they win 8 games, that is yet another year that is below expectations. Based on roster rankings alone, ND should be 10-2. Yes, the season doesn't play out like that, but really 10-2 +/- one game should be the expectation for the regular season. I really don't see how that is unreasonable.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...tball-recruiting-rankings-2017-multiple-years

I agree with this and anything below double digit wins should end Kelly's tenure but, unfortunately, OMM is probably spot on and BK will stay if he has 8 wins.
 

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We already know that BK et al can win 8 games. They are very good at winning 8 games. If winning 8 games is new standard, though, ND football is dead.
 

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Nobody wants to hear my reasoning but I can't stop typing so here it is anyway:

A). Brian Kelly knows how to Offense. His offense works pretty well in all situations where a capable QB is on our side (we've rehashed and rehashed why we've so rarely had that, and I'm on the side of bad luck not his fault, so I'll not re-do that.) With the new OC this should just get better, especially TDs in the Red Zone.

B). Brian Kelly does not have good stand-alone instincts when it comes to hiring DCs and S&C coaches. He accentuates that by being too dammed loyal. It is my opinion that he has finally, whether by trial-and-error or not, gotten that corrected (Michigan had this same problem for years, and has now put together both sides of the ball.)

C). We have been notorious for getting screwed by the injury bug. Whether that also was bad fortune, or bad S&Cing, or bad DC systems putting players in bad situations, or weird practice issues, who knows? But it has been an unusually big factor for us. This is accentuated by the squad lacking quality depth in certain positions (though certainly not ALL positions.) Some of this seems to be recruiting certain positions with all the issues there, and some seems to have been coaching. I have an instinct that ND also gets a certain cut of the population which just may not be as "brutal" in mind and physiology as the average football squad --- this is an intuition without data, which data I'm pretty certain does not exist whether the facts are true or not.

D). My opinion of last season is that it was the perfect storm to create close second half losses mainly to teams which were pretty good in their own right, given our depleted roster of healthy bodies especially on defense. That 4-8 was a wild anomaly.

Therefore, I believe that most of our problems will be fixed. We still cannot fix the grinding of the schedule which makes it so hard to get to 10. Other than that, I look forward to the 2017 season with a record reversal for W/L, a high-quality entertaining offense, a pretty good defense also entertaining (now that we have a DC who recognizes what Martini can do and the Martini/Morgan pair finally give us competency at LB for the first time in years), solid special teams, players who don't fade in the second half, and a team who likes their coaching staff better. I look forward to 8 wins with no breaks whatever, and 9 with just a little. (Mainly Wimbush HAS to be real good --- if that doesn't happen then the game will be decided on whether the staff has the guts to put Book in, who I believe to be WAY better than we expected --- Rees with athletic ability.) If we get several breaks for a change, we might well win double digits.

About half of IE seems to want controversy and things to gripe about, so I realize that this view is unpopular and unwelcome here.
 
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Nobody wants to hear my reasoning but I can't stop typing so here it is anyway:

A). Brian Kelly knows how to Offense. His offense works pretty well in all situations where a capable QB is on our side (we've rehashed and rehashed why we've so rarely had that, and I'm on the side of bad luck not his fault, so I'll not re-do that.) With the new OC this should just get better, especially TDs in the Red Zone.

B). Brian Kelly does not have good stand-alone instincts when it comes to hiring DCs and S&C coaches. He accentuates that by being too dammed loyal. It is my opinion that he has finally, whether by trial-and-error or not, gotten that corrected (Michigan had this same problem for years, and has now put together both sides of the ball.)

C). We have been notorious for getting screwed by the injury bug. Whether that also was bad fortune, or bad S&Cing, or bad DC systems putting players in bad situations, or weird practice issues, who knows? But it has been an unusually big factor for us. This is accentuated by the squad lacking quality depth in certain positions (though certainly not ALL positions.) Some of this seems to be recruiting certain positions with all the issues there, and some seems to have been coaching. I have an instinct that ND also gets a certain cut of the population which just may not be as "brutal" in mind and physiology as the average football squad --- this is an intuition without data, which data I'm pretty certain does not exist whether the facts are true or not.

D). My opinion of last season is that it was the perfect storm to create close second half losses mainly to teams which were pretty good in their own right, given our depleted roster of healthy bodies especially on defense. That 4-8 was a wild anomaly.


Therefore, I believe that most of our problems will be fixed. We still cannot fix the grinding of the schedule which makes it so hard to get to 10. Other than that, I look forward to the 2017 season with a record reversal for W/L, a high-quality entertaining offense, a pretty good defense also entertaining (now that we have a DC who recognizes what Martini can do and the Martini/Morgan pair finally give us competency at LB for the first time in years), solid special teams, players who don't fade in the second half, and a team who likes their coaching staff better. I look forward to 8 wins with no breaks whatever, and 9 with just a little. (Mainly Wimbush HAS to be real good --- if that doesn't happen then the game will be decided on whether the staff has the guts to put Book in, who I believe to be WAY better than we expected --- Rees with athletic ability.) If we get several breaks for a change, we might well win double digits.

About half of IE seems to want controversy and things to gripe about, so I realize that this view is unpopular and unwelcome here.

What's scary is we were incredibly lucky in regards to injuries last year. And we went 4-8.
 

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Coaches Hot Seat Ranking
Wednesday, July 5, 2017


Coacheshotseat.com puts 30 coaches on the hot seat with our own Brian Kelly in the #2 slot, just a hair behind Mississippi's Hugh Freeze (5-7 last season).


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CoachesHotSeat nailed it before the season began.

When the next rankings come out, there will be a new #1.

Will ND turn on the lights above Grace Hall to celebrate?
 

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Phone lines are burning up right now among the members of the A&M Former Student Association,
Hello, can you get a moving van over to Sumlin's house tonight? That house has to be empty before the plane touches down!
 

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ote-to-fire-kevin-sumlin-after-ucla-comeback/
The people down in Aggieland are not handling the Texas A&M meltdown well at all
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Anthony Buzbee, a member of the Texas A&M board of regents has publicly called for Sumlin's job via facebook.

I'm sure I may be criticized for this post but I honestly don't care. I've been on the Board of Regents for the A&M System for almost seven years. During that time, I've not once commented on Kevin Sumlin and his performance during his tenure at our school. I never said a word when he and his agent manipulated a much bigger and longer contract. I said nothing about his arrogance and his mishandling of multiple player controversies. I said nothing when we had multiple awesome recruiting classes, only to see key players leave our school or underperform.

But tonight I am very disappointed and I have to say this. Kevin Sumlin was out-coached tonight, which isn't new. He recruits well, but can't coach the big games, or the close games. Our players were better tonight. Our players were more talented tonight. But our coaches were dominated on national TV, yet again.

I'm only one vote on the Board of Regents but when the time comes my vote will be that Kevin Sumlin needs to GO. In my view he should go now. We owe it to our school and our players. We can do better.

Buzbee is one of 10 A&M Regents.
 

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Sumlin is as good as gone. Fans are finding chip Kelly's address and camping outside his house
 

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At half time I was thinking that A&M was going to take over the State recruiting since UT looks like it's headed to another lost year. With both these schools and Baylor tanking, out of state poachers (OU, Bama, OSU, etc) licking their chops.
ND needs to go hard and grab some Texas talent.
 

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I know he's in his first year and taking over a program that is a dumpster fire, although I don't think they're completely void of talent, but Matt Rhule can't be too confident. In two games he's lost to a D-2 team (Liberty) and UTSA. It's very possible that they go winless. Duke and Kansas ar likely their best chances to win. I certainly didn't expect them to win a lot of games this year and I doubt their fan base did but I think those two games were at least pencilled in as wins and should be for most D-1 teams.

I'd expect that he'd be on the hot seat going into next year if he doesn't turn it around a bit this year.
 
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I know he's in his first year and taking over a program that is a dumpster fire, although I don't think they're completely void of talent, but Matt Rhule can't be too confident. In two games he's lost to a D-2 team (Liberty) and a Division 1-A team (UTSA). It's very possible that they go winless. Duke and Kansas ar likely their best chances to win. I certainly didn't expect them to win a lot of games this year and I doubt their fan base did but I think those two games were at least pencilled in as wins and should be for most D-1 teams.

Liberty is not D2. They are 1-AA
 

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I know he's in his first year and taking over a program that is a dumpster fire, although I don't think they're completely void of talent, but Matt Rhule can't be too confident. In two games he's lost to a D-2 team (Liberty) and UTSA. It's very possible that they go winless. Duke and Kansas ar likely their best chances to win. I certainly didn't expect them to win a lot of games this year and I doubt their fan base did but I think those two games were at least pencilled in as wins and should be for most D-1 teams.

I will be pleasantly surprised if KU wins another game... They looked really bad last weekend.
 

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I will be pleasantly surprised if KU wins another game... They looked really bad last weekend.

It's been a tough 12 months for IrishJayHawk. First he gets Trumped in the election and now KU has returned to the KU of old.

This article saw a 3-9 season for KU but looking at the 2017 Schedule & Projection Factors I don't see how. They had a 89% Win Probability against SE Missouri State and muff that. The 50% game against CMU went badly. This week Vegas has Ohio, The Bobcats, not the Buckeyes, a 7 point favorite. Prospects look bleak for a win if KU doesn't beat Ohio.



https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo.../kansas-football-2017-preview-schedule-roster

Kansas Jayhawks football has a chance to be not terrible in 2017!

David Beaty’s Jayhawks might actually have the talent to compete in the Big 12 this year.
by Bill Connelly@SBN_BillC Aug 4, 2017, 8:54am EDT

You'll have to scroll about 75% of the page to find the 2017 Schedule & Projection Factors table.
 
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It's been a tough 12 months for IrishJayHawk. First he gets Trumped in the election and now KU has returned to the KU of old.

This article saw a 3-9 season for KU but looking at the 2017 Schedule & Projection Factors I don't see how. They had a 89% Win Probability against SE Missouri State and muff that. The 50% game against CMU went badly. This week Vegas has Ohio, The Bobcats, not the Buckeyes, a 7 point favorite. Prospects look bleak for a win if KU doesn't beat Ohio.


http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1926016

You'll have to scroll about 75% of the page to find the 2017 Schedule & Projection Factors table.
Baylor looks real bad also; that may be their best shot at Victory.
 

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Baylor deserves to lose every game and should have their football program eliminated. What they have allowed there is unacceptable and unforgivable.
 

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Baylor looks real bad also; that may be their best shot at Victory.

That article in August gave KU a 15% Win Probability. Considering how bad they have both looked they could play 6 OTs in a scoreless tie.

Sagarin makes BU about a 12 point favorite this week but consider that Sagarin's ratings in the opening weeks of a season are weighted from last season.

Sagarin has BU ranked 78th and 0-2 against the 144 Toughest Schedule played to date. KU is ranked 129th and 1-1 against the 201st Toughest Schedule played to date.

BU's opponents are ranked:
Liberty 181
UTSA 75

KU's
SE Missouri 207
CMU 106
Ohio 94
 
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It's unbelievable how bad Baylor is. They were atop the Big12 like 2 seasons ago with Briles. You would think there would be enough holdover D-1 talent for Rhule to at least be able to beat teams like Ohio U.
 

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It's unbelievable how bad Baylor is. They were atop the Big12 like 2 seasons ago with Briles. You would think there would be enough holdover D-1 talent for Rhule to at least be able to beat teams like Ohio U.
Idk man. They had a mass exodus of talent and basically punted on a recruiting class or two. It's gonna take a long time for them to even be respectable.

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It's unbelievable how bad Baylor is. They were atop the Big12 like 2 seasons ago with Briles. You would think there would be enough holdover D-1 talent for Rhule to at least be able to beat teams like Ohio U.

I could see Rhule running from Baylor after this season. Based on how bad things are at Baylor, he might not even get blamed for doing so.
 
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It's unbelievable how bad Baylor is. They were atop the Big12 like 2 seasons ago with Briles. You would think there would be enough holdover D-1 talent for Rhule to at least be able to beat teams like Ohio U.

Ive seen this movie before

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Baylor will find some ragtag team of wiry replcaements and will make a conference title run.
 
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